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Obama wants a default.
me | 10/15/2013 | Zeneta

Posted on 10/15/2013 12:42:35 PM PDT by Zeneta

Step back for a moment and consider the political implications of a US govt default vs. 0bama's standing among the media and in turn, the low-info voters.

Consider that everything 0bama has ever done is always political. The advancement of his party and ideology of a state that "requires" people being told what is in their best interest.

There is absolutely NO RISK for 0bama (politically) to preside over a US default.

Do you think he is going to fold ?

Why should he ?

Do you think he actually cares about America ?

Do you think he cares about his "Legacy" ?

The media has his back.

This is the biggest opportunity to seize control, an opportunity that may never come around again.

The opportunity to send the entire global economy into turmoil. Send millions of people into the arms of the Government.

It is all about politics.


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1 posted on 10/15/2013 12:42:35 PM PDT by Zeneta
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To: Zeneta

The second he allows the default the impeachment needs to begin.


2 posted on 10/15/2013 12:44:01 PM PDT by frogjerk (We are conservatives. Not libertarians, not "fiscal conservatives", not moderates)
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To: Zeneta
Do you think he cares about his "Legacy" ?

Of course he does.

He wants to be revered for a millenium by barbarians around the world as "The Great and Powerful Barack, Slayer of The Great Satan".

3 posted on 10/15/2013 12:45:46 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Zeneta

The man is a Marxist, he desires the total destruction of the United States.


4 posted on 10/15/2013 12:46:10 PM PDT by exnavy (Fish or cut bait ...Got ammo, Godspeed!)
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To: frogjerk

Soeotoro has done plenty to merit Impeachment right now. Nevertheless, I agree with the premise. He hates America and all that is good about our country. Gotta “Send millions of people into the arms of the Government.” All is going according to the NWO/Globalist/Statist/Elitist plan...


5 posted on 10/15/2013 12:46:50 PM PDT by Sioux-san
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To: frogjerk
<...”The second he allows the default the impeachment needs to begin”....>

I think he'll claim Executive Privilege before he lets that happen...and let the Supreme Court try and stop him...by the time it goes through all the “stalls” there..he'll be out of office. He is not concerned about Impeachment...didn't hurt Clinton and won't Obama either. If anything the people shoud do like Egypt did and require him to resign...now. They did it in less then 6 weeks. Took a year to get signitures then they took it to the Military to support them.

6 posted on 10/15/2013 12:47:39 PM PDT by caww
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To: frogjerk
<...”The second he allows the default the impeachment needs to begin”....>

I think he'll claim Executive Privilege before he lets that happen...and let the Supreme Court try and stop him...by the time it goes through all the “stalls” there..he'll be out of office. He is not concerned about Impeachment...didn't hurt Clinton and won't Obama either. If anything the people shoud do like Egypt did and require him to resign...now. They did it in less then 6 weeks. Took a year to get signitures then they took it to the Military to support them.

7 posted on 10/15/2013 12:47:39 PM PDT by caww
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To: Zeneta
0bama wants a default.

Exactly. If he didn't want it, just like his sock puppet says ......

Obama will act alone to avoid default, Carney says

8 posted on 10/15/2013 12:49:17 PM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Zeneta

well DUH


9 posted on 10/15/2013 12:49:49 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory)
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To: Zeneta
Obama is making empty threats but hopes that people are too stupid to know that, and knows that the media won't report it. Boehner says "hold it men, he's not bluffing!"
10 posted on 10/15/2013 12:50:23 PM PDT by Defiant (GOPe Strategy: We have to fund Obamacare in order to see how bad it is. Good idea, guys!)
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To: Zeneta
Obama wants a default.

He's pushing for excuses to declare martial law. As for "legacy", he's already illegally occupying the office and he plans on remaining for life, so he doesn't care - he's a dictator.

11 posted on 10/15/2013 12:50:41 PM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (Who but a TYRANT shoves down another man's throat what he has exempted himself from?)
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To: exnavy
The man is a Marxist, he desires the total destruction of the United States.

To be more precise, Obama is preparing for us all to enter the MARXIST PARADISE he and his cohorts have been planning for years.

That's why we have a Common Core - to prepare the kiddos. And Obamacare - for in which to finally enslave our bodies, so that our minds will dutifully follow the Obama Piper into the Nirvana of Satan.

Come Lord Jesus, come.

12 posted on 10/15/2013 12:52:12 PM PDT by Slyfox
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To: Zeneta

Yes, he sure does.

With the EBT snafu, we all saw what his little “army” is capable of.

With the news out of Utah today, and realizing that is applicable to all states, we can see where this is going.

His little army of malcontents and moochers are going to make life very difficult for law-abiding citizens very soon.


13 posted on 10/15/2013 12:52:54 PM PDT by nesnah (Liberals - the petulant children of politics)
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To: The Sons of Liberty

If he declares Martial Law he may be announcing the start of a Civil war.


14 posted on 10/15/2013 12:53:28 PM PDT by Venturer (Keep Obama and you aint seen nothing yet.)
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To: Zeneta

The basic problem with that logic is that default sends tens of millions of Americans into the arms of a government ... that can’t borrow money in order to support them.

The only way that a default results in more power for Obama is if it allows him to declare martial law. But there aren’t enough federal law enforcement AND military, combined (including a federalzed national guard( to cover the cities ... let alone the suburbs and rural areas. Which is where the money and the food is (respectively).

This is a giant game of high stakes chicken. But it’s much more in the interest - long term - to the Cruzes of the world to have a default. Because it completely unercuts the financial foundation of the welfare state.


15 posted on 10/15/2013 12:54:41 PM PDT by tanknetter
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To: Zeneta

If a shutdown brings Obama down to a 37% approval rating, just think what a default will do!

Most of us work. It’s not our consitutencies that feel the absence of the government!


16 posted on 10/15/2013 12:55:14 PM PDT by cotton1706
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To: Zeneta

There is enough revenue to pay interest on all debt, T- bill’s etc. Your question is moot and plays into the fear the leftist are trying to generate...


17 posted on 10/15/2013 12:55:23 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Slyfox

The 2nd revolution draws near.


18 posted on 10/15/2013 12:56:24 PM PDT by exnavy (Fish or cut bait ...Got ammo, Godspeed!)
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To: tanknetter

Yes, he intends to fully crash the system,
make things so bad for people that they cry out for government to
save them.


19 posted on 10/15/2013 12:56:35 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Defiant

0bama’s threats are not empty.

He doesn’t care.

He’s playing a political game in which he can continue to raise the stakes.

He has the media and low-info voters as his out.

Politically, there is no risk.

The rewards are and will be “unprecedented”, historically.


20 posted on 10/15/2013 12:56:55 PM PDT by Zeneta
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To: Zeneta
There is absolutely NO RISK for 0bama (politically) to preside over a US default.

The House would have immediate grounds for impeachment. And the consequences of a genuine default could be bad enough that they'd have the people with them.

21 posted on 10/15/2013 12:57:21 PM PDT by pgkdan
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To: DuncanWaring

History will spit his name


22 posted on 10/15/2013 12:58:14 PM PDT by digger48
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To: Zeneta

Dear Zeneta,

This has been the planned outcome from the very first 0bama budget that was unanimously voted down. We laughed and scoffed at the time that his own party wouldn’t pass his budget.

Truly, truly think about that for just a moment. He has planned, the democrats have planned for this for over 5 years.

Amazing thing to consider how stupid and blind we have been. All they needed was the scape goat...


23 posted on 10/15/2013 12:58:27 PM PDT by EBH ( The Day of the Patriot has arrived.)
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To: frogjerk

They need to warn him ahead of time so he doesn’t even try this.


24 posted on 10/15/2013 1:00:08 PM PDT by Defiant (GOPe Strategy: We have to fund Obamacare in order to see how bad it is. Good idea, guys!)
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To: MrB

But how can he save them if he can’t borrow the money to do so?

That’s where the logic of him wanting a default breaks down. It destroys the ability of the US to borrow to fund the welfare state ...


25 posted on 10/15/2013 1:00:20 PM PDT by tanknetter
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To: Venturer

Hussein is not an American in any sense, especially culture, and I seriously doubt that he understands the psyche of the Country. He might be in for a very rude surprise.


26 posted on 10/15/2013 1:00:32 PM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (Who but a TYRANT shoves down another man's throat what he has exempted himself from?)
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To: central_va

Obama hasn’t followed the law yet! YOU think he is going to prioritize anything over a default?

Get thee behind me with that foolishness.


27 posted on 10/15/2013 1:00:44 PM PDT by EBH ( The Day of the Patriot has arrived.)
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To: Venturer
If he declares Martial Law

That is a joke, with what Army? Martial law on 300 million people?

28 posted on 10/15/2013 1:00:46 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

Really? Given a choice, Obastard will pay the most important bill first and not cause havoc? Whew! That’s a relief!


29 posted on 10/15/2013 1:01:10 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (It's hard to accept the truth when the lies were exactly what you wanted to hear.)
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To: tanknetter

Just a real quick thought/answer -

default on all debts,
then sieze all privately held assets,

and set up a subsistence level of living for everyone but the elites.


30 posted on 10/15/2013 1:02:41 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Cyber Liberty
Really? Given a choice, Obastard will pay the most important bill first and not cause havoc? Whew! That’s a relief!

It is up to the Sec of Treasury to pay the bills, not the POTUS. If the interest is not being paid, impeach the sec of Treas. and find somebody that will.

31 posted on 10/15/2013 1:03:18 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Zeneta

32 posted on 10/15/2013 1:03:34 PM PDT by Hotlanta Mike ("Governing a great nation is like cooking a small fish - too much handling will spoil it." Lao Tzu)
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To: EBH

Actually all the federal interest is paid automatically, so it would require someone to stop it. This is all hype, even O’Bastard isn’t that crazy. Not buying the scare tactics. Call his bluff. This is poker not chess.


33 posted on 10/15/2013 1:05:49 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

300 million people and 4 million square miles.

There won’t be enough personnel to even impose martial law on the cities. Which can be expected to burn, and burn quickly.


34 posted on 10/15/2013 1:05:54 PM PDT by tanknetter
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To: Zeneta

Short of an asteroid strike or an impeachable offense, the US will NOT default on debt payments. Failing to pay any other items is not a default.


35 posted on 10/15/2013 1:07:17 PM PDT by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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To: central_va
This is all hype, even O’Bastard isn’t that crazy.

Really ?

36 posted on 10/15/2013 1:08:11 PM PDT by Zeneta
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To: Zeneta

Starting today going forward, the only thing those numbnut Republicans should say if they have a mic in their face is: OBAMA WANTS DEFAULT!!!

Over and over and over and over. Just like the sleazy dems with their talking points. Whenever asked ANYTHING, answer only OBAMA WANTS DEFAULT!!! Period.


37 posted on 10/15/2013 1:09:00 PM PDT by EnquiringMind
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To: MrB

How do you seize all privately held assets? And monitize them quickly enough? And at a useful value (rather then pennies on the dollar)?


38 posted on 10/15/2013 1:09:05 PM PDT by tanknetter
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To: Hotlanta Mike

Not a fair graphic. Andrew Jackson, racists Democrat SOB that he was, shut down the central bank and paid off our outstanding notes. So the net debt of the first seven presidents was zero. Still rather astounding that we’ve had an outstanding amount on our credit cards for 180 years and haven’t even balanced the books since 1957.


39 posted on 10/15/2013 1:09:26 PM PDT by Pan_Yan
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To: Zeneta

More accurately, he wants THIS CRISIS.

He wants rwii/cwii to begin. He’s been waiting awhile. We’ve been holding back. They keep ratcheting it up. We don’t fall for it. They’re getting pissed we haven’t done something so he can attempt to declare martial law.


40 posted on 10/15/2013 1:10:27 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Zeneta

George Soros and some of his globalist investor puppetmasters might not be so keen in the idea of default.


41 posted on 10/15/2013 1:10:33 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Zeneta
More unemployed = more Obama-care customers/recipients.

Step 1 was to get most Americans setup to blame GOP
Step 2 is to blow up economy
Step 3 is to (Obama offer) step in to save the day , to ‘clean up GOPs mess again. Just elect more Dems’

42 posted on 10/15/2013 1:11:04 PM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US Citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position)
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To: Zeneta

If we don’t have the balls to play poker with the Bastard President then we deserver to lose. It is time to call his default bluff.


43 posted on 10/15/2013 1:12:18 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: The Sons of Liberty

44 posted on 10/15/2013 1:12:29 PM PDT by Hotlanta Mike ("Governing a great nation is like cooking a small fish - too much handling will spoil it." Lao Tzu)
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To: Zeneta

You’re right. Look at all the crap he’s pulled and then ask if he’s crazy enough.

He certainly is. We get forgetful. How did Obamacare pass, again? Dead of night, nobody allowed to read it, no Republicans voting for it? A freaking coup de tat right there.


45 posted on 10/15/2013 1:12:50 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Zeneta
The only way there'll be as default is if Uncle Sam stops collecting taxes altogether.

There is plenty of dough to pay the interest on our debts.

Of course he wants us to believe that defaulting is a possibility.

46 posted on 10/15/2013 1:13:18 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: nesnah

average citizens will not go down without a hard fight.


47 posted on 10/15/2013 1:14:19 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Axenolith

I agree, however 0bama’s opportunity to create havoc and use this as a political tool to advance his agenda may never come around again.

If you consider the idea that 0bama doesn’t really care about America or his legacy (at this time), sending the world into turmoil and presiding over it’s recovery may be an opportunity to great to resist.


48 posted on 10/15/2013 1:14:49 PM PDT by Zeneta
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To: tanknetter

Told you it was a quick answer -
I’m sure they have an idea in mind, they’ve been planning this for, what, 60 years?

I just don’t think that way.


49 posted on 10/15/2013 1:15:57 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Zeneta

BULLSEYE!


50 posted on 10/15/2013 1:16:27 PM PDT by Farnsworth ("The people have always some champion whom they set over them and nurse into greatness...This and no)
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