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House to move its own debt plan
The Hill ^ | October 15, 2013 | Russell Berman

Posted on 10/15/2013 7:34:57 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

House Republicans will vote Tuesday on a more conservative version of the Senate fiscal deal that would include a delay of Obamacare's medical device tax and scrapping of subsidies for members of Congress and top Cabinet officials, lawmakers and aides said.

The bill would modify an emerging Senate plan crafted by Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) and GOP Leader Mitch McConnell (Ky.), but retain that deal's extension of the debt ceiling through Feb. 7.

It would also keep the Senate measure's plan of funding the government through Jan. 15 and immediately end the shutdown.

That's a shift from last weekend, when House Republicans wanted to open negotiations with the White House on ending the shutdown while extending the debt ceiling for six months.

The House GOP bill would prevent members of Congress as well as Cabinet members, the president and the vice president from getting taxpayer subsidies to use on ObamaCare, but it would not prevent staff from getting the subsidies.

The healthcare law requires lawmakers and their staffs to get health insurance through ObamaCare.

House Republicans argue that if Obama and Senate Democrats are going to force the American people to live under ObamaCare, they should not be shielded from the law.

The bill would also eliminate a provision granted to unions in the Senate bill that would delay a tax on reinsurance that labor says would fall heavily on its members.

Under the healthcare reform law, states are required to set up a transitional reinsurance program aimed at stabilizing premiums. As part of that transition, companies providing healthcare will be required to pay $63 per covered person in 2014, as well as lower fees the following two years.

It would also delay the tax on medical devices in the healthcare law. Reid has pushed aggressively to prevent any delay or repeal of that tax in a deal, according to Senate aides, though many senators oppose the tax.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: debt; obamacare; sequester; shutdown

1 posted on 10/15/2013 7:34:57 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I know it’s not going to be ‘popular’, but the “more conservative version) house bill has not gone far enough.

ABSOLUTELY NO ONE should enjoy waivers, exempt or any such thing. Obama, Pelosi unions and progressives want to enact this ‘law of the land’ onto the nation, they should be made shining examples of said law.

Don’t do the short term deal to ‘open up’ the government - once gop retreat on this, they are DONE!


2 posted on 10/15/2013 7:47:00 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Wow.

Scrapping that medical device tax will truly help the little people who are to be tyrannized by obamacare.

S/

P.S. The Senate GOP is a sick joke. But ALL of them in both bodies, save for a few stalwarts, are useless to the people who sent them there to represent us.


3 posted on 10/15/2013 7:47:14 AM PDT by txrangerette ("...hold to the truth; speak without fear." (Glenn Beck))
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To: txrangerette
Scrapping that medical device tax will truly help the little people who are to be tyrannized by obamacare. S/

Yes. It's for their K Street lobbyist pals who they hope to join asap.

4 posted on 10/15/2013 7:52:33 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Sir Napsalot

Waivers, IMHO, are unconstitutional.


5 posted on 10/15/2013 7:53:16 AM PDT by biff (WAS)
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To: Sir Napsalot

Maybe they want to run against union waver and indiv mandate penalty. Strategery?


6 posted on 10/15/2013 7:57:38 AM PDT by epluribus_2 (he had the best mom - ever.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Ironic, isn’t it?

The GOP complained that obamacare waivers only helped big business, not the individual.

But according to this, they have whittled down their proposals - by negotiating against themselves - to scrapping a tax that is levied against medical device manufacturers, without a peep about the suffering individual Americans.

I’m aware that taxes are passed down to consumers, but the issue at hand is that individual Americans are subject to a mandate that has been postponed for big business - under the GOP’s own proposal.

And that’s only in the House.

The Senate couldn’t be bothered with anything other than caving to the almighty Reid/Obama.

This is what passes for “conservativism” these days. It doesn’t deserve the word. It isn’t even watered down conservativism.

It’s nothing.

A big, fat zero.

Mark Levin makes the point daily. What does the Republican party stand for?

His answer sums it up. They are the STATUS QUO Republicans.

Whatever the STATUS QUO is (driven by the Left’s agenda), the Republicans end up preserving it.


7 posted on 10/15/2013 8:02:18 AM PDT by txrangerette ("...hold to the truth; speak without fear." (Glenn Beck))
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

a delay of Obamacare’s medical device tax

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I saw a diagram showing the funding sources for Obamacare about a year ago. The medical device tax was intended to provide a significant amount of money to support the program. That was its main purpose.

So without this tax, it would seem that Obamacare is losing one of its funding “pillars” and will have to find money elsewhere to make up this shortfall. Where would this come from and who would be impacted?

Its just something that nobody seems to be talking about.


8 posted on 10/15/2013 8:04:03 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: txrangerette

Mark Levin makes the point daily. What does the Republican party stand for?

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Nothing. Absolutely nothing. A party without a soul.


9 posted on 10/15/2013 8:05:36 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: Starboard

I understand.

That’s a reasonable summation.

I see it slightly different.

The Dems have no soul.

The Republicans have no guts.

But that’s just me.


10 posted on 10/15/2013 8:10:15 AM PDT by txrangerette ("...hold to the truth; speak without fear." (Glenn Beck))
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To: txrangerette

yes, they are like the UK conservatives since 1945 (except when Thatcher was leader)

the UK non-Thatcher tories have always accepted the overall policies of the Labour Party, and just quibbled about the details.


11 posted on 10/15/2013 8:11:44 AM PDT by Reverend Wright (1990 Budget Agreement: learn from other's mistakes)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
The House GOP bill would prevent members of Congress as well as Cabinet members, the president and the vice president from getting taxpayer subsidies to use on ObamaCare,

There income is too high to qualify for subsidies.

12 posted on 10/15/2013 8:18:03 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

http://voices.suntimes.com/early-and-often/sweet/michelle-obamas-white-house-garden-a-weed-filled-wreck-victim-of-shutdown/


13 posted on 10/15/2013 8:18:24 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Raycpa

They need to make the staffers and all federal workers use Obamacare. That way the pain is felt right in DC.


14 posted on 10/15/2013 8:19:33 AM PDT by mrs9x
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Weasels, pretending they are going to have the same care as the common folk, while allowing all their staffs to have their Obamacare costs covered. Does anyone believe these elitists will not ensure they have the best Dr.’s and care via some other vehicle later when the outcry diminishes?


15 posted on 10/15/2013 8:22:42 AM PDT by wrencher
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To: mrs9x

And everything they are doing will be changed in the middle of the night while no one is looking.

Exactly what they did for that insider trading bill.


16 posted on 10/15/2013 8:26:45 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (President Stompyfeet....Priceless.)
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To: Starboard

A $1,000/month premium and a $12,000 deductible?


17 posted on 10/15/2013 8:35:04 AM PDT by matt04
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To: matt04

Conservatives are demanding that the full Vitter amendment for all staffers be put in the bill. I like that - if this ship is going down, the staffers and Congress critters better be on board.


18 posted on 10/15/2013 8:39:14 AM PDT by mrs9x
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

....this is the conservative alternative???????????


19 posted on 10/15/2013 8:42:05 AM PDT by Tzimisce (The American Revolution began when the British attempted to disarm the Colonists.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
WTF is wrong with the GOP leadership? Boehner goes before the mics.. A PERFECT opportunity to drive home the fact the 0bamacare website SUCKS, exemptions are UNCONSTITUTIONAL, 0bama is destroying our economy with more debt, willfully inflicting pain on WWII Veterans, blah blah blah.. So, WHAT does Boehner do? DUHHHHH DUHHHHH DUHHHHHHHHH!!!!

Boehner has NO message except 'BLAME US THE REPUBLICANS' while the Democrats are unified in their talking points! It's time for Boehner to step aside. He should CLEARLY state how and why 0bamacare is a train wreck. The Dems preach to the LIV's and Boehner should talk in a language the LIV's can understand, too.

20 posted on 10/15/2013 8:45:22 AM PDT by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (If Americans were as concerned for their country as Egyptians are, Obama would be ousted!)
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To: Tzimisce; Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America; All

Rick Moran, American Thinker:

“Senators McConnell and Reid are apparently very close to an agreement that would raise the debt ceiling into early February, fund the government through late January, and establish a super-committee of sorts to hash out budget and fiscal issues like tax and entitlement reform.

There are easily 60 votes for the plan in the Senate so the question becomes, will House Republicans derail the compromise and send the country into near uncharted waters of a default?

There will be enormous pressure on Speaker Boehner to bring the Senate bill to the floor even if more than half the GOP caucus opposes it. If that happens, it seems pretty clear that Boehner will need almost all the Democrats in the House to vote with him to pass the bill.

Are the Democrats of a mind to be charitable?

Rep. James Lankford (R-Okla.), a member of Republican leadership, didn’t seem comfortable with the Senate package. Asked if there was anything he likes, Lankford said “not that I’ve seen so far.” Moments later, Lankford was huddling with Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.) on the House floor.

“That’s a long time, that’s a lot of dollars,” Lankford said of the debt ceiling hike. “I’m going to have to see, is that a date certain? Is that give them the time to be able to reload all the extraordinary measures, so it’s really a debt ceiling increase to May or June?”

The buzz in the Republican cloakroom and on the floor was that the House was being asked to vote for a clean debt limit and continuing resolution - in short, the concessions won by McConnell were not victories at all. One House Republican said they would be lucky to find 20 GOP lawmakers willing to vote for this proposal.

Time is running short: The U.S. government’s borrowing authority runs out Thursday.

Boehner, Cantor and Majority Whip Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) will test the waters Tuesday morning in a House Republican Conference meeting. Aides say Boehner will spend most of the time gauging the reaction of his lawmakers...........”

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2013/10/can_the_house_scuttle_the_senate_budget_and_debt_deal.html


21 posted on 10/15/2013 8:48:49 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: txrangerette; All

NRO: “Even as the White House quickly rejected it based on leaked details, House conservatives are calling a proposal unveiled by Speaker John Boehner at this morning’s conference meeting a “working document” and saying they expect several additions to enhance the leadership’s bid.

“That was a framework from which to build from,” says Representative Tom Graves of Georgia, one of the leading architects of the push to defund Obamacare in the House.

“We gave a bunch of different options” in the meeting, says Representative Mick Mulvaney of South Carolina, referring to conservatives, “the bill probably will end up being tweaked a little bit before it gets to rules.”

Members described a vigorous, “family discussion” in the meeting, which went one hour beyond its scheduled time. Representative Joe Barton, who has previously complained about proposals to end a special Obamacare subsidy for Congress, demanded “anyone who wasn’t elected” leave the room, referring to staff.”

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/361271/house-bill-flux-jonathan-strong


22 posted on 10/15/2013 8:55:41 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Reverend Wright; Cincinatus' Wife

Bingo.

That’s it, exactly.

Some will argue that they accept the status quo because they don’t believe in anything much different than the Left does.

I think most of the Repubs - not all but most - have beliefs that differ from the Dems.

But they do not have the desire to fight.

It’s too hard. It’s too risky.

If at the Alamo, they would have crossed Col. Travis’s line and run away from the fight.

Not because they wanted Texas to be ruled by the Mexican dictator, but because they did not care enough about the issue to fight for it.

Fighting is not what they went to DC for. They went to DC because they wanted to be in DC, and now that they are there, they just hope to hang on to their seats in Congress, come **** or high water.

They want to avoid the LSM crosshairs and the Dems Chicago mob machine.


23 posted on 10/15/2013 9:05:07 AM PDT by txrangerette ("...hold to the truth; speak without fear." (Glenn Beck))
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Thanks for the additional info in this post and your previous one.

Have to leave now and go with other news sources until I can get back here...


24 posted on 10/15/2013 9:08:48 AM PDT by txrangerette ("...hold to the truth; speak without fear." (Glenn Beck))
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Even as the White House quickly rejected it based on leaked details

I hope that Obama keeps rejecting Boehner's cave proposals. That strengthens Ted Cruz's argument that the Republicans need to stand firm for at least an individual mandate delay and tough it out through the supposed 'default'.

25 posted on 10/15/2013 9:39:54 AM PDT by Kennard
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
willRepublicans derail the compromise and send the country into near uncharted waters of a default?

Complete lie.

26 posted on 10/15/2013 9:55:40 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD

A question is “a complete lie”? How does that work?


27 posted on 10/15/2013 10:03:53 AM PDT by Guttlekraw
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To: Guttlekraw

It’s not a question, though the question mark’s intention is to mislead. It’s an editorial, posing as a question.

America won’t default, it isn’t uncharted waters and the use of derailing assumes that the agreement is on the right track in the first place. All lies.


28 posted on 10/15/2013 10:31:58 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Sir Napsalot

When the republicans put in their bill that the congress and their staffs should not get subsidies, they’re admitting obama has the power to grant the subsidies. It’s alreadly in the law. It shouldn’t be in a new one.


29 posted on 10/15/2013 11:40:59 AM PDT by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Anyone who shouldn’t have been elected should leave the congress.


30 posted on 10/15/2013 11:47:04 AM PDT by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: txrangerette

It’s all so fluid.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3079307/posts


31 posted on 10/15/2013 1:55:40 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

It was fluid, alright.

Now they’re saying, well, we fought, we tried, but we lost.

So all we could do is cave (my translation).

Same thing as saying, we lost the 2012 election (meaning the presidency and the Senate), therefore, obamacare is the “law of the land”.

I think of all the withering criticims they deserve, this one strikes most at the heart of their problem -

They STILL have no clue who they are dealing with.

They think it’s just politics.

It isn’t.

It’s AMERICAN DESTRUCTION.

They’re useless when it comes down to THAT.


32 posted on 10/17/2013 7:36:00 AM PDT by txrangerette ("...hold to the truth; speak without fear." (Glenn Beck))
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To: txrangerette

100% agree.

I am sick with disgust, not sick with despair.

Our resolve has been hardened.


33 posted on 10/17/2013 7:57:09 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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