Posted on 09/30/2013 11:35:46 AM PDT by kcvl
The Senate voted Monday afternoon to kill House Republicans’ latest stopgap spending offer, holding firm in their demand that Congress continue to fund Obamacare as part of any government-funding debate.
The 54-46 vote officially tabled both proposals the House GOP passed early Sunday morning, one of which would have funded the government while delaying the health law for a year, and the other of which would have repealed one of the Affordable Care Act’s tax increases.
(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...
I spent my time in the military in the 60s and 70s when there were shut downs and there were a few times when I didn’t get paid either.
This country is in financial and governmental disaster whether you believe it or not. We are on a cliff being driven over it by a madman, and we cannot turn back and relent and appease any more. You also have to realize that one of the first things the House will do is float an offer to fund the military which if Obama and Reid do not agree to you can go see them.
Finally, last time I checked and when I drew an Eagle check it was once a MONTH. A week, two or three is not a ‘burden’. Not buying it.
The bill the senate killed was a huge compromise. It’ll take some remarkable intransigence and media spin to blame the coming shutdown on anyone other than the Rats. I’m sure Rat voters are capable of the brain fart necessary to blame the GOP and I know the Rat media is capable of such spin. Especially since ever RINO has been preemptively blaming the Tea Party.
With the government shutdown, how long would it take to get out of debt?
The henkster predicts that both houses will convene at 10:55 p.m. to vote a “compromise” (surrender) CR that continues the lack of budget charade for another year, funds 0bamacare, does not delay the individual mandate, and promises to create a “bipartisan commission to study amendments” to 0bamacare.
Just in time for the 11 o’clock news.
You heard it here first.
It was a different matter to remove an amendment that positively defunded something. It's another matter to add an amendment to fund something.
-PJ
“Government shutdown? Nonsense. Only in our dreams will the U.S. government shut down. The current flap about an impending shutdown represents only the latest episode in the soap opera that stars the government as the hysterical teenage drama queen. For fiscal year 2013, which will end in a week, estimated federal revenue is expected to be about $2.7 trillion. In real terms, this revenue is roughly equal to the amount the government spent ten years ago, near the beginning of the Bush II administration.”
— Robert Higgs
Now its back to the house...Now is the time to take away all..ALL exemptions...send it back to the Senate!
Conservatives are fighting a two front war....and while it seems we cant get anywhere fast enough we are gaining inch by inch.
Ive been on FR a long time and have never seen this amount of enthusiasm before. And we arent alone...2/3 of the people are our side...conservative groups and so on.
We might have won if the gang of 25 traitors hadnt pulled a fast one on us...then again maybe not...but now we can turn the tables on them and the RATS by simply taking away ALL exemptions.
After the shi’ite hits the fan, and it will with 0bamacare, the conservatives in the Republican party will be calling all the shots and take back the Senate...and in 2016 take back the WH.
Still a long way to go but with some marketing skills(almost none in the GOPe)by conservatives we can win in the near future.
Classic example of this can be seen in NC...RATS had total control of the state but hung themselves and Republicans are setting things straight.
The whole damn ACA is unconstitutional from the onset.
The senate stripped the language from a House bill
and substituted the language of obamacare in its place.
That bill, according to the supreme court, included a “tax”.
ALL bills to raise revenue MUST be initiated in the House.
Any House vote to support or fund obamacare in any way
is a vote for an unconstitutional bill.
Well...it's been twice a month for the longest time....for the 26 years I've been in.
And you are telling me that when you were in and if you were an E-3 or 4 and had a family that it wouldn't be a burden on you or your family to go "three months" (per your suggestion) or even 2 weeks without a paycheck? So...if you got paid on the 1st of September...it wouldn't be a burden on not get paid on 1 October?
I ain't buying that. That's bull and you know it....or else you've never been a barely paid lower enlisted.
And the whole CR process, too, because Reid won't pass a budget and allow regular order to proceed.
Everyone is getting too cozy with the "new normal" of continuing resolutions in place of annual budgets.
-PJ
Harry Reid:”Understand we’re dealing with anarchists, they hate government.”
Continue as you have, and you might just see that.
And that's my point. It ain't as black and white as you want to think it is...and it sounds like you are a little out of touch. The fact the government is a fiscal disaster ain't my fault. I voted for Cruz in the primary and the general. Ron Paul was my congressman for years. I've done my part...and the military is one of the few constitutional duties of the federal government. Sending the senate on a 3 month break would be a disaster (and yes that was probably sarcasm...but you still said it and I am sure there are those who think it....because they haven't thought all of this through). And I dare say you would not have done too well back in the 60's without getting paid for 3 months....especially if you had a family.
You might want to see how the average enlisted lives now compared to when you were in. It ain't like it used to be where you stayed in barracks and everything was paid for you and all you needed your paycheck for was to get drunk and chase tail and gamble. I think our current military members on this site can vouch for what I am saying.
When I mustered out, I was an E-5 stationed in England (for 364 days after just having spent 3 years in Germany) [Before that, I spent 18 months in the Azores and 18 months in Okinawa and elsewhere. 8 years in, and almost 7 OCONUS]
I lived off base and made about $600/month in pay and allowances. [The pay started in 1968 at about $94/month]. Almost half of that was housing. The rest went for food, car insurance, utilities, taxes (local) and gas and I was TDY 50% the entire time. For the entire near-year my wife, son and I were there, my house was unheated except for the baby’s room. Heating was all-electric and my wife and I survived on Macaroni and hot dogs from the commissary. During that time potatoes got so expensive we couldn’t afford them at all. My wife actually stooped following the potato truck that went through the village once picking up the ones that fell out the back because of the cobblestone streets while she was walking our son in the baby carriage.
Near the end, I told them I wouldn’t re-enlist and go to Turkey for a remote unaccompanied tour. They sent me to Iceland for two months and left me with 3 days to process out and get sent back stateside when I returned from there. If you’ve been overseas with a family you can guess what that’s like.
We didn’t have food stamps or EBT or credit cards we could get a cash advance from. We didn’t even relatives, either...so seeing your last sentence just infuriates me. You don’t know what you’re talking about. Barely paid my ass.
Boner should say “We sent two CRs to the senate that funded the government. We won’t be sending anymore.”
If I read that right-—IE read what it says-—the Senate didn’t kill anything. They voted to “table” both of the house bills. You’d think the senate demos would have the nerve to actually vote something down if it was really BAD. Tabling makes it look like dingyharry is saving up all the house bills until he finds one he sort of likes. Tabling also means they haven’t actually sent anything back to the House. Bbbbuuuutttt the reporting is so halfast all the way around that you can’t tell what to bet on-—don’t even use monopoly money-—that’s worth more than the reporting.
All funding bills are spending bills, and must, by the Constitution, originate in the House.
Theo GOPe had them on Cloture and f’d it up again. Cowards.
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