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Shutdown showdown hits brink as Senate kills House spending bill
http://www.washingtontimes.com ^ | By Stephen Dinan

Posted on 09/30/2013 11:35:46 AM PDT by kcvl

The Senate voted Monday afternoon to kill House Republicans’ latest stopgap spending offer, holding firm in their demand that Congress continue to fund Obamacare as part of any government-funding debate.

The 54-46 vote officially tabled both proposals the House GOP passed early Sunday morning, one of which would have funded the government while delaying the health law for a year, and the other of which would have repealed one of the Affordable Care Act’s tax increases.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: abortion; congress; deathpanels; democrats; govtshutdown; liberalfascism; obamacare; zerocare
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1 posted on 09/30/2013 11:35:46 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: kcvl

But the title should read:

“Senate Defiant over House bills.”


2 posted on 09/30/2013 11:37:31 AM PDT by Revel
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To: kcvl

Its on then..


3 posted on 09/30/2013 11:37:43 AM PDT by seeker41 (take your country back by whatever means necessary)
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To: kcvl

Which Republicans voted with Reid?


4 posted on 09/30/2013 11:38:20 AM PDT by airedale
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To: kcvl

Democrats In Senate Vote To Deprive People of Lifesaving Medical Devices, Stop Military Pay, and Shove Granny Off A Cliff.

I don’t expect to live long enough (especially under Ocare) to ever see the above headline.


5 posted on 09/30/2013 11:38:30 AM PDT by Argus
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To: airedale

Close to party line. Sixty not needed.


6 posted on 09/30/2013 11:39:15 AM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools)
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To: seeker41

They should tell Reid that the government will stay shutdown each year until the 500billion is saved to pay for this monstrosity.


7 posted on 09/30/2013 11:39:32 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Make today a great day. Insult a liberal.)
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To: kcvl

Frankly, I’d pass a CR at this point for 30 days and make a big stink about ZERO interest in bi-partisanship from the Democrats.


8 posted on 09/30/2013 11:39:38 AM PDT by ilgipper (Obama is proving that very bad ideas can be wrapped up in pretty words)
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To: airedale

Which Republicans voted with Reid?

None. It was party line, 54-46


9 posted on 09/30/2013 11:39:42 AM PDT by cotton1706
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To: kcvl

Okay....good work guys....take the rest of the week off and let’s take another look at this in about, oh....say....a month? Three? Hey, let’s give it time to cogitate and say we meet back here in frigging six months. Okay?

Fine by me. They don’t have anything I want or need.


10 posted on 09/30/2013 11:41:06 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: kcvl
I'm sure I'm far too sensitive, but when I glance at that headline I get two impressions:

1) The Republicans in the House have a spending bill! At a time like this?? Don't those guys know that we're broke?!
2) The responsible Democrats in the Senate have killed that nasty spending bill so that the country does not go deeper into debt.

Of course all of that is a gross misinterpretation of the facts. But I think the media pushes that stuff on purpose.

11 posted on 09/30/2013 11:41:26 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (21st century. I'm not a fan.)
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To: cotton1706

it is too late for ‘party-line’ Republicans. You had your chance on Cloture and you RINOs blew it. We’re gonna get you in your next primary - count on it!


12 posted on 09/30/2013 11:42:06 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: kcvl

Start passing the budget piece by piece.

First, fund Social Security.

Then Medicare.

Then Department of Defense.

Keep passing individual (not omnibus) spending bills.

Make the Senate vote for or against the stuff Americans expect to get passed (whether we like them or not, is another question.)

But don’t pass a bill for the Department of Health or whatever the Death Panel calls itself these days.

(*credit to Jim Thompson [sic] whose idea this is*)


13 posted on 09/30/2013 11:44:08 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Ted Cruz for President!)
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To: kcvl
Dingy Harry Bitterly Clings To 'Trainwreck' 0bamacare: Government Shutdown Looms
14 posted on 09/30/2013 11:44:20 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Gaffer
"You had your chance on Cloture and you RINOs blew it."

We'll be bringing this fight to the RINOs for the rest of their sorry careers.

15 posted on 09/30/2013 11:45:17 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Ted Cruz for President!)
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To: Argus

“Democrats throw Granny off cliff”

Hahaha. Right back atcha Reid.


16 posted on 09/30/2013 11:45:50 AM PDT by Ray76 (Do you reject Obama? And all his works? And all his empty promises?)
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To: Uncle Miltie

DEM SEN: ‘War on women!’

Sen. Boxer: Government Shutdown Threat “War On Women”

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/09/30/sen_boxer_government_shutdown_threat_war_on_women.html

******

Media has Obama’s back...

Halperin: Obama Okay with Shutdown Because Media Has His Back

When asked if President Obama had an incentive to negotiate with the GOP, Halperin explained that, “The White House does not have much incentive. They think the trends are going to go in their direction at the end of the week, or early next week at the latest; because again, the press is largely sympathetic to their arguments on this.”

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2013/09/30/msnbc-halperin-media-bias-shutdown


17 posted on 09/30/2013 11:47:30 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: Gaffer
>>>Okay....good work guys....take the rest of the week off and let’s take another look at this in about, oh....say....a month? Three?

You gonna pay my bills? Seems like a lot of you are so eager to shut down the government...yet you forget there are some of us out here that work for the government....and we ain't part of the bloated federal bureaucracy. I'm active duty. Luckily I can take a little shut down without funding for the military. However, some of my younger enlisted certainly can't. Gonna take the rest of the week off without doing something about that?

18 posted on 09/30/2013 11:47:46 AM PDT by NELSON111
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To: kcvl
the people of America DOESN'T NEED THIS TRYRANTICAL GOVERNMNET SO LET IT CLOSE DOWN. FIRE EVERY DAMN ONE OF THEM AND HIRE ALL NEW REPS AND GET RID OF THE MUSLIM AND HIRE A REAL AMERICAN PRESIDENT
19 posted on 09/30/2013 11:49:20 AM PDT by drypowder
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To: seeker41

DEMS VOTE TO KEEP TAX ON MEDICAL EQUIPMENT...

Some Republicans want the House to pass a new bill that would fund the government but also would require President Obama, Vice President Joseph R. Biden and all of the administration’s top political appointees to forgo their government health plans and join the health exchanges.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/sep/30/shutdown-showdown-senate-kills-house-spending-bill/#ixzz2gP50H3uV


20 posted on 09/30/2013 11:50:29 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: kcvl

Oh if the government shuts down I intend to riot inthe streets as mass chaos and panic sets in.....

/sarc

Just kidding I am sure it won’t really affect me one way or another...

Maybe the Obama care door to door coaches won’t show up and I will be lonely and have to rely on Jehova Witlesses and Mormon Missionaries to keep me company....


21 posted on 09/30/2013 11:50:32 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: NELSON111

SOMEbody had to do SOMEthing and the best something was done.


22 posted on 09/30/2013 11:52:00 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: ilgipper

Send one CR back to fund the military exclusively. Send one back to fund the Post Office exclusively. Send one back to fund Medicare. One to fund Medicaid. Etc. etc. etc. Each individually. Just neglect to send one for ObamaCare. Let the Senate refuse them one at a time until the American public realizes the LIBERALS DON'T WANT TO FUND ANYTHING *BUT* OBAMACARE.


23 posted on 09/30/2013 11:53:09 AM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: kcvl

Democrat senate votes for a government shutdown.


24 posted on 09/30/2013 11:55:07 AM PDT by 1035rep
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To: 1035rep

Exactly!

When is the last time they passed a BUDGET?!


25 posted on 09/30/2013 11:57:38 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: so_real

I really like your idea using individual CRs to fund everything except socialist medicine. Make the Hairy Reed spit!


26 posted on 09/30/2013 11:57:51 AM PDT by glennaro
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To: Uncle Miltie

“...Start passing the budget piece by piece.
First, fund Social Security.
Then Medicare.
Then Department of Defense...”
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And then the House bill would go to the senate,
where Reid would hold a vote on cloture, and get it.

Then he would add an amendment to include funding for everything else,
and get his 51 votes to pass the amended bill,
and send it back to the House.

If the House would not accept the amended bill from the senate,
the House would get blamed for not being willing to negotiate,
and therefore shutting down the government.

Just like the senate did with the first continuing resolution,
and now with the second continuing resolution.

The senate mafia can do this over and over again.


27 posted on 09/30/2013 11:59:28 AM PDT by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: airedale
Which Republicans voted with Reid?

Good question! I want to know which republicans voted for the government shutdown along with Harry Reid and other democrats.

28 posted on 09/30/2013 12:00:48 PM PDT by tsowellfan
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PBS: ‘Congress Hasn’t Passed a Budget in Years,’ Fails to Call Out Democratic Senate

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/paul-bremmer/2013/03/22/pbs-congress-hasn-t-passed-budget-years-fails-call-out-democratic-sena#ixzz2gP7EFjUa

— The number of days since the Senate last passed a budget, April 29, 2009.

Sat Mar 23, 2013

The Senate on Saturday narrowly passed its first federal budget in four years


29 posted on 09/30/2013 12:02:11 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: so_real; glennaro

see post #27-
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3072981/posts?page=27#27


30 posted on 09/30/2013 12:02:16 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: gov_bean_ counter
I thought it was significant that the Republicans held together. All is lost if the HOR does a cave like the only condition is congress has to be in unsubsidized Obamacare. (1)They're well off folks, they'll just pay the fine and (2) it'll be like the tax code. exemptions will happen soon after.

The HOR 'pubs have to stand firm now. That bill was a good compromise offer.

31 posted on 09/30/2013 12:02:35 PM PDT by grania
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To: kcvl
If the rats are disturbed about any of this they sure hide it well. Looks to me like they're all puffing out their chests in orgasmic delight.
32 posted on 09/30/2013 12:03:02 PM PDT by JPG (Putin Does Obama.)
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To: JPG

1:56 PM

TwitterAndrew Kaczynski @BuzzFeedAndrew

Harry Reid:”Understand we’re dealing with anarchists, they hate government.”


33 posted on 09/30/2013 12:04:05 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: JPG

BREAKING: House Republicans will move a bill that delays the individual mandate and cancels health-insurance subsidies for congress, admin
— Jake Sherman (@JakeSherman) September 30, 2013


34 posted on 09/30/2013 12:05:05 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: Revel

If President Obama acted unilaterally to raise debt ceiling, it would not be taken seriously by the world’s financial markets, White House spokesman Jay Carney said on Monday.


35 posted on 09/30/2013 12:05:38 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: kcvl
Just as I surmised... DIMocRATs want to murder poor people, grandmas and the disabled!!!!!!!!!!!
36 posted on 09/30/2013 12:06:02 PM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Rehabilitation Camp?)
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To: kcvl
Just as I surmised... DIMocRATs want to murder poor people, grandmas and the disabled!!!!!!!!!!!
37 posted on 09/30/2013 12:06:03 PM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Rehabilitation Camp?)
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To: kcvl
Harry Reid:”Understand we’re dealing with anarchists, they hate government.”

Yup Harry boy, when you run the government, what's not to hate.

Nuff said.

38 posted on 09/30/2013 12:07:13 PM PDT by The Cajun (Sarah Palin, Mark Levin, Ted Cruz......Nuff said.)
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To: drypowder

On the day you can muster enough votes to overcome 140% Democrat voter turnout, get back to us.


39 posted on 09/30/2013 12:08:24 PM PDT by Old Sarge (Opinions are like orgasms: only mine count, and I couldn't care less if you have one...)
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To: kcvl
Boner finds himself on a very short leash if he wants to remain the speaker.
40 posted on 09/30/2013 12:09:11 PM PDT by JPG (Putin Does Obama.)
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To: NELSON111

I spent my time in the military in the 60s and 70s when there were shut downs and there were a few times when I didn’t get paid either.

This country is in financial and governmental disaster whether you believe it or not. We are on a cliff being driven over it by a madman, and we cannot turn back and relent and appease any more. You also have to realize that one of the first things the House will do is float an offer to fund the military which if Obama and Reid do not agree to you can go see them.

Finally, last time I checked and when I drew an Eagle check it was once a MONTH. A week, two or three is not a ‘burden’. Not buying it.


41 posted on 09/30/2013 12:11:10 PM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Repeal The 17th; glennaro

"The senate mafia can do this over and over again."

Yes, they can. But, like the Mafia, their reputation suffers with each repetition. First the military realizes the socialists don't have their back. Then the postal workers. Then the elderly retirees. Etc. Etc. They make an enemy of each voting block in turn. That is the making of a conservative "perfect storm" that will dwarf the storm held by the liberals when Obama became pres__ent. All the Republicans have to do is hold the line and keep pointing back at the socialists saying "you didn't pass the funding; we did". It's an easy victory.


42 posted on 09/30/2013 12:13:05 PM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: kcvl

The bill the senate killed was a huge compromise. It’ll take some remarkable intransigence and media spin to blame the coming shutdown on anyone other than the Rats. I’m sure Rat voters are capable of the brain fart necessary to blame the GOP and I know the Rat media is capable of such spin. Especially since ever RINO has been preemptively blaming the Tea Party.


43 posted on 09/30/2013 12:14:26 PM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: kcvl

With the government shutdown, how long would it take to get out of debt?


44 posted on 09/30/2013 12:16:56 PM PDT by showme_the_Glory (ILLEGAL: prohibited by law. ALIEN: Owing political allegiance to another country or government)
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To: Uncle Miltie

Agree totally! (Jim Thompson from the HoR, Oregon?)


45 posted on 09/30/2013 12:17:35 PM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: kcvl

The henkster predicts that both houses will convene at 10:55 p.m. to vote a “compromise” (surrender) CR that continues the lack of budget charade for another year, funds 0bamacare, does not delay the individual mandate, and promises to create a “bipartisan commission to study amendments” to 0bamacare.

Just in time for the 11 o’clock news.

You heard it here first.


46 posted on 09/30/2013 12:18:30 PM PDT by henkster (democrats will sacrifice the lives of our servicemen so 0bama doesn't look bad.)
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Stop OBAMACARE
Pass the Military Pay Protection Act

Call and email ALL Senators of the 113th Congress

Call the Republican National Committee:
310 First Street, SE Washington, DC 20003
(202) 863-8500

Tell them to stand together and stop Obamacare and pay our Military, no excuses!!!

47 posted on 09/30/2013 12:21:48 PM PDT by RedMDer (http://www.dontfundobamacare.com/)
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To: Repeal The 17th
Boehner could argue that it's unconstitutional for the Senate to do that. Spending must originate in the House. Reid cannot add amendments to fund.

It was a different matter to remove an amendment that positively defunded something. It's another matter to add an amendment to fund something.

-PJ

48 posted on 09/30/2013 12:22:04 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: kcvl

“Government shutdown? Nonsense. Only in our dreams will the U.S. government shut down. The current flap about an impending shutdown represents only the latest episode in the soap opera that stars the government as the hysterical teenage drama queen. For fiscal year 2013, which will end in a week, estimated federal revenue is expected to be about $2.7 trillion. In real terms, this revenue is roughly equal to the amount the government spent ten years ago, near the beginning of the Bush II administration.”

— Robert Higgs


49 posted on 09/30/2013 12:22:19 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (We the People sent you to DEFUND it, not defend or delay it!)
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To: cotton1706

Now its back to the house...Now is the time to take away all..ALL exemptions...send it back to the Senate!

Conservatives are fighting a two front war....and while it seems we cant get anywhere fast enough we are gaining inch by inch.

Ive been on FR a long time and have never seen this amount of enthusiasm before. And we arent alone...2/3 of the people are our side...conservative groups and so on.

We might have won if the gang of 25 traitors hadnt pulled a fast one on us...then again maybe not...but now we can turn the tables on them and the RATS by simply taking away ALL exemptions.

After the shi’ite hits the fan, and it will with 0bamacare, the conservatives in the Republican party will be calling all the shots and take back the Senate...and in 2016 take back the WH.

Still a long way to go but with some marketing skills(almost none in the GOPe)by conservatives we can win in the near future.

Classic example of this can be seen in NC...RATS had total control of the state but hung themselves and Republicans are setting things straight.


50 posted on 09/30/2013 12:26:04 PM PDT by rrrod (at home in Medellin Colombia)
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