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How to Constitutionally Fund the Government: Itís the Houseís prerogative to supply funds, or not...
National Review Online ^ | September 28, 2013 | Andrew C. McCarthy

Posted on 09/28/2013 1:37:44 PM PDT by neverdem

It’s the House’s prerogative to supply funds, or not, for Obamacare.

Republican leaders are right: There was a flaw in Ted Cruz’s plan to defund Obamacare: He took Republican leaders seriously.

Senator Cruz, along with Senator Mike Lee and House conservatives, devised a strategy to forestall the unpopular socialized-medicine scheme that Democrats unilaterally rammed through Congress in 2010. They would starve it of funds, not unlike the way Democrats and Republicans have slashed funds for fence construction along the Mexican border, even though the fence has been the law of the land for seven years. The Obamacare defunding strategy, though, depended on Republican fidelity to a ballyhooed campaign promise to reform Washington’s wayward legislative process by reimposing constitutional order — an order that gives the House of Representatives primacy over the spending of taxpayer dollars.

In the stretch run of what became the historic 2010 midterm elections, the Republican establishment issued its “Pledge to America.” If you flip past the many pin-up glossies of John Boehner, Eric Cantor, and Kevin McCarthy, you occasionally find some text in the Pledge. Text such as this: “We pledge to honor the Constitution as constructed by its framers and honor the original intent of those precepts that have been consistently ignored.”

Constitutional devotion was fashionable in 2010 — more fashion than substance, some of us suspected at the time. The GOP had been cast into the cold by angry voters in 2006 and 2008. The party had controlled the White House and both congressional chambers through most of the first six Bush years. As self-styled “compassionate conservatives,” Republicans bloated government, nearly doubling the debt the nation had previously taken over two centuries to accumulate. Fed up, conservatives stayed home in droves. The result was the Pelosi/Reid Congress and, later, the Obama administration.

There ensued a nightmare of full-throttle statism, exemplified above all by Obamacare. That, and not anything the Republicans themselves did, is what opened the door to a GOP comeback. The dynamic force in American politics was the Tea Party. Not an actual political party, the Tea Party is a grass-roots reform movement that calls for a return to limited central government on the original constitutional model — a model that promotes liberty by sharply restricting federal authority, and thus federal spending.

So out went the “compassion” garb, replaced by the GOP’s claim to be the “constitutional conservatives” that the Tea Party craved, the antidote to Obama. Republicans did not just expressly pledge to honor the Constitution as originally understood by the Framers. They promised: “We will require each bill moving through Congress to include a clause citing the specific constitutional authority upon which the bill is justified.”

As Cruz and Lee are learning, it turns out they were kidding.

A little over a week ago, with the October 1 implementation of Obamacare looming, the House voted not to fund the massive and massively unprepared program. This House bill has been scorned by the GOP establishment and its sympathetic scribes. Echoing Beltway oracle Charles Krauthammer, they tut-tut that Republicans only control “one half of one third of the government”; therefore, the refrain goes, they cannot reasonably expect to impose their policy preferences on an electorate that has placed the White House and Senate under Democratic control.

Yet the Constitution that Republicans claim to venerate does not assign power in proportion to the quantum of governmental departments or congressional seats won in elections. All or part of each enumerated power is assigned to specified components of government by subject matter. And significantly, at least if we are truly honoring the Constitution as originally designed, the Framers did not assign authority arbitrarily. Rather, supremacy over a given power was assigned to the component of government best suited to control its exercise in a free republic.

To take a few examples, decisions about military tactics are reserved to the president — regardless of whether Congress is overwhelmingly in the hands of the opposing party. Consent to the president’s appointment of high public officials is reserved to the Senate alone — it makes no difference whether the House or the presidency is controlled by the opposing party. Legal decisions are the province of the judiciary, and can be dictated by five Democratic justices — even if the rest of the Supreme Court and the rest of the government are solidly Republican.

And spending is the prerogative of the House. Not the Congress, the House.

The Constitution expressly provides (in Article I, Section 7): “All bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives.” This Origination Clause applies to all spending legislation. As the clause elaborates, when the subject at issue involves spending public money, the Senate “may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills”; but it may not instigate spending. The Senate can tinker within the spending limits set by the House, but it must live within those limits. The continuing resolution to fund the government, which is the legislation at issue in the current controversy, is no exception. The Senate is not permitted to originate spending, as Majority Leader Harry Reid did on Friday, with the indulgence of Senate Republicans — who voted against his appropriation of Obamacare funds but did not challenge the validity of it.

The Republican establishment keeps flashing those “one half of one third” tablets Dr. Krauthammer carried down from Mount Sinai. But Republicans fulfilling a pledge to honor the Framers’ Constitution would do better to take their cues from James Madison. “The House of Representatives cannot only refuse, but they alone can propose the supplies requisite for the support of the government,” he explained in Federalist No. 58 (emphasis added).

One could contend, as “organic Constitution” devotees do, that it makes no difference which congressional chamber initiates spending as long as both must vote to approve it. But besides improperly nullifying an explicit constitutional command, this contention ignores the Framers’ rationale. Putting the House in charge of spending was not an idle choice.

As Madison elaborated, the purpose of the Origination Clause is to put the “power of the purse” firmly in the hands of “the immediate representatives of the people.” Government has no resources of its own; it has only what it confiscates from the citizenry. In a free republic, liberty hinges on the ability of citizens to constrain the demands government can make. The Framers prudently concluded that the best means of constraint was to give the definitive word on taxing and spending to the House: The only legislators directly elected by the people at the time the Constitution was adopted (senators were chosen by their state legislatures until 1913); and, to this day, the only representatives who must face the voters every two years.

As noted above, the legislation at issue in the present controversy is not Obamacare specifically. It is a continuing resolution for funding the entire government. Under the Constitution, any funding in the continuing resolution must not only be approved by the House, it must originate in the House.

The House has declined to provide funding for Obamacare. Critics of Senator Cruz — and some of the most vicious imprecations come from his fellow Republicans — mock the defunding strategy as a divisive delusion. Cruz, they say, well knew that once the House defunding measure got to the Senate, Democrats would simply exploit their majority to provide the Obamacare mega-billions. That, indeed, explains the seeming anomaly that Cruz encouraged the House to pass defunding but tried to block the Senate from voting on it. Under Senate procedure, it is when debate ends and voting is about to commence that amendments are allowed, enabling Senator Reid to tack on the funding restoration.

In a properly functioning constitutional process, however, Reid’s maneuver would have failed. Not only Republicans but senators of both parties, in fidelity to the Constitution, would concede that, while the Senate may ask the House to fund Obamacare as part of the continuing resolution, it is the House’s call.

Positing one of the theories that have the country careening toward economic suicide, old Washington hands counter that the House may not cut off Obamacare funding because it is “mandatory” spending. That is, they argue that under decades-old federal budget legislation — somehow invoked without embarrassment by elected officials who go years without honoring the legislation’s mandate to pass a budget — Congress has no discretion to withhold entitlement spending (such as Social Security, Medicare, and now Obamacare). The spending, they say, is required by the authorizing legislation itself; it does not require any separate appropriation and can be reversed only by a separate, repealing act of Congress — passed by both houses and signed by the president. In essence, they claim that by passing Obamacare three years ago, the House has already originated the funding in today’s continuing resolution.

This contention fails for several reasons. To begin with, it should be obvious enough that the so-called “Affordable” Care Act that authorized Obamacare is not self-executing. Washington can call it “mandatory,” but if new spending approval were unnecessary, we would not be at a stalemate now. As the Heritage Foundation points out, supposedly mandatory spending is routinely withheld in the appropriations process, and key elements of Obamacare (such as the insurance exchanges, as Hans von Spakovsky explains) are not even deemed mandatory. More to the point, as I have argued and as Heritage documents, President Obama himself has defunded purportedly “mandatory” elements of Obamacare — in the absence of any legislative authority whatsoever. In the Beltway’s upside-down world, the House of Representatives is apparently the only part of government prohibited from cutting spending.

There are, moreover, higher principles involved here — particularly if Republicans are in favor of restoring constitutional order, as they proclaim. There is nothing in the Constitution about “mandatory” spending — a progressive contrivance to insulate the welfare state from adult decisions about living within one’s means. As argued here before, social-welfare policy is a matter for the states. Its management is among what Madison described as “the powers reserved to the several States [that] extend to all the objects, which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties and properties of the people; and the internal order, improvement, and prosperity of the State.” Health-care regulation is plainly not among the “external objects,” such as foreign relations and national defense, that the federal government was created to manage. Furthermore, federal entitlement programs are rationalized by a contorted construction of the Constitution’s General Welfare Clause — one the Framers would not have recognized.

Nevertheless, in the current controversy, conservatives are not calling for the dismantling of the welfare state or even the repeal of Obamacare. Everyone recognizes that the latter would require an act of Congress. We are talking about the narrow Republican commitment to restore originalist constitutional principles to the legislative process. The legislation at issue is a continuing resolution for funding the government, not expunging Obamacare. Refusing to include Obamacare in that funding would not remove Obamacare’s statutory validity. It is black-letter law that a prior Congress cannot bind the present Congress, and a statute cannot supersede the Constitution. Prior law’s designation of Obamacare spending as “mandatory” cannot compel the current Congress to fund it as part of continuing-resolution legislation, nor does it alter the Constitution’s command that all spending in that continuing resolution must originate in the House.

Many will say this is a quaint way of looking at things, that in modern practice it is commonplace for the Senate to gut House bills, replace them wholesale with different Senate spending priorities (or even spending provisions helpfully drafted by the executive branch), and then send them back to the House for approval — or hammer differences out in a conference committee. True, but it is precisely because legislative practices and proposals violate the Constitution with notorious regularity that the Republican establishment — back when it was pleading for conservative votes — pledged (oh, let’s quote them again) “to honor the Constitution as constructed by its framers and honor the original intent of those precepts that have been consistently ignored.”

The American people do not want Obamacare, and the representatives closest to them have voted not to spend the people’s money on it. According to the Constitution, that should be the end of the matter.

— Andrew C. McCarthy is a senior fellow at the National Review Institute. He is the author, most recently, of Spring Fever: The Illusion of Islamic Democracy


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1 posted on 09/28/2013 1:37:44 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem; onyx; trisham; TheOldLady; DJ MacWoW; RedMDer; musicman; Lady Jag; Alamo-Girl; bd476; ...

Constitutionally defund it ping!


2 posted on 09/28/2013 1:47:52 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: neverdem

I don’t think Cruz and Lee took Republican leaders seriously. I think they knew all about them and what they would do.


3 posted on 09/28/2013 1:53:09 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: neverdem

They should selectively fund the government — cutting funds from the most eggregiously liberal programs.


4 posted on 09/28/2013 1:53:52 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: neverdem

Great article!


5 posted on 09/28/2013 1:58:19 PM PDT by Warriormom
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To: neverdem

I sent the speaker this today via his email

In September 17, 2009, Congressman Charlie Rangel introduced H.R. 3590, titled the “Service Members Home Ownership Tax Act of 2009” to amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 modifying the first-time homebuyers’ credit for members of the Armed Forces and certain other Federal employees. Nancy Pelosi was Speaker of the House and John Boehner was the minority leader when this bill passed on October 8, 2009 by a 416-0 vote. This bill went to the Senate where Majority Leader Harry Reid gutted H.R. 3590, deleted all the contents after the first sentence, and replaced it with what became the “Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act” of November 19, 2009.

Article I, Section 7, which states that “All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills.” The key idea is that the Supreme Court recently upheld the individual mandate as a tax; so it is a bill for raising revenue. That means that the Affordable Care Act must have begun in the House of Representatives. And it did not.” Therefore the Senate is in violation of the Constitution by funding something the house cut.

Ignore Reid tell him to read Article I, Section 7 and the SCOTUS decision [see above] and send the bill to the president and tell him as a constitutional scholar he has to sign or veto. Call his “redline bluff” because you’re just following the oath everybody took.


6 posted on 09/28/2013 2:03:05 PM PDT by alphadog (2nd Bn. 3rd Marines, Vietnam, class of 68)
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To: neverdem; Jim Robinson
Constitutionally defund it!

Amen to that!

Another great article by someone who knows how the government is "supposed" to be funded.

7 posted on 09/28/2013 2:03:20 PM PDT by jazusamo ([Obama] A Truly Great Phony -- Thomas Sowell http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3058949/posts)
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To: neverdem

Thank you Andrew for taking alot of posters here on FR to school.DEFUND IT AND KILL IT. Stop the stupid political games.


8 posted on 09/28/2013 2:06:06 PM PDT by DeWalt
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To: neverdem

This sounds like it should be a good argument before the United States Supreme Court!


9 posted on 09/28/2013 2:09:28 PM PDT by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (Learn three chords and you, too, can be a Rock Star!)
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To: spel_grammer_an_punct_polise

The Supreme Joke had it’s chance and ran away from it. That’s why they called it a tax. They weren’t up to the task of facing all the constitutional issues this monstrosity posed, so they kicked the can down the road. Cowards!


10 posted on 09/28/2013 2:14:28 PM PDT by DeWalt
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To: neverdem

We need to defund or get rid of it; not delay it.


11 posted on 09/28/2013 2:15:21 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: neverdem

Congress should defund any and every program in the federal government. Who says that we should still have to slave under some ridiculous scheme conceived by a bunch of shysters that are all dead and buried? This practice that once a program is enacted its a permanent responsibility of future generations is absolutely despotic. In fact we should amend the Constitution so that every program should have to be reenacted every two years similar to Article I, Section 8, Clause 12.


12 posted on 09/28/2013 2:15:42 PM PDT by Count of Monte Fisto (The foundation of modern society is the denial of reality.)
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To: neverdem

Our framers came fairly close to grafting the British Parliamentary model onto the Constitution, in which the House of Commons alone determined spending.

To provide better protection from wild spending, concurrence of the senate and president were added.

Oh well.


13 posted on 09/28/2013 2:17:56 PM PDT by Jacquerie (Democrats soil institutions.)
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To: freekitty

Correct. The author is incorrect if he thinks Cruz and Lee ever took that bunch seriously. But, they have to “wave the dead chicken,” as it were, to prove to people watching the GOPe leaders are not serious about shrinking Big Government. Sometimes we have a good reason to follow what seems to be a futile course, not related to reaching the goal.


14 posted on 09/28/2013 2:19:14 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (It's hard to accept the truth when the lies were exactly what you wanted to hear.)
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To: Jacquerie

They probably thought we weren’t stupid enough to go the party system.


15 posted on 09/28/2013 2:20:50 PM PDT by DeWalt
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To: Jacquerie

The Senate and President were not supposed to be directly elected by “the people” either. The state legislatures got the shaft, but they have only themselves to blame because they ratified the 17th Amendment.


16 posted on 09/28/2013 2:23:17 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (It's hard to accept the truth when the lies were exactly what you wanted to hear.)
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To: neverdem
The Constitution expressly provides (in Article I, Section 7): “All bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives.”

And yet ObamaCare originated in the Senate.

17 posted on 09/28/2013 2:27:41 PM PDT by PJ-Comix
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To: neverdem
The Constitution expressly provides (in Article I, Section 7): “All bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives.” This Origination Clause applies to all spending legislation. As the clause elaborates, when the subject at issue involves spending public money, the Senate “may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills”; but it may not instigate spending. The Senate can tinker within the spending limits set by the House, but it must live within those limits. The continuing resolution to fund the government, which is the legislation at issue in the current controversy, is no exception. The Senate is not permitted to originate spending, as Majority Leader Harry Reid did on Friday, with the indulgence of Senate Republicans — who voted against his appropriation of Obamacare funds but did not challenge the validity of it.

The bold point (which is central to this part of the author's point) is a strained reading of Article I. The Constitution says (as the author quotes) that all "bills for raising revenue" must originate in the House, and that the Senate may concur or propose amendments. Nowhere does the Constitution say that the Senate's amendments cannot include additional appropriations - all the Constitution says is that the bill itself must originate in the House.

18 posted on 09/28/2013 2:28:52 PM PDT by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: DeWalt
I don't profess to understand the Brit system very well, but having a king who is independent of party affiliation, who truly represents the long term interests of his kingdom, can be argued as a net plus.

Obama will blow up our republic, hopefully leave in 2017, and retire into a fantasy land of unearned wealth.

19 posted on 09/28/2013 2:33:51 PM PDT by Jacquerie (Democrats soil institutions.)
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To: neverdem

If the House wanted to it could fund it down to the specific toothbrush level. Iow They can fund what they want and not fund what they don’t want. Sadly the “What they want” has been the problem over the last few decades. Time to say ,”Goodbye” to the free spenders and anti-constitutionals.


20 posted on 09/28/2013 2:34:45 PM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Cyber Liberty
Agree. Our nation made incredible mistakes. Lets repeal the 16th, 17th amendments as we did the 18th.
21 posted on 09/28/2013 2:36:25 PM PDT by Jacquerie (Democrats soil institutions.)
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To: Jim Robinson; jazusamo
"Another great article by someone who knows how the government is "supposed" to be funded."
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McCarthy: "The American people do not want Obamacare, and the representatives closest to them have voted not to spend the people’s money on it. According to the Constitution, that should be the end of the matter."
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Jim R has been saying this for...ever... Most recently"

Bottom line, Obamacare is an unconstitutional Marxist boondoggle that will destroy our nation

ALL: House will be back in session at 5:30

JR: Just learned of your operation on Monday. All FR will be holding you in our prayers.

22 posted on 09/28/2013 2:36:53 PM PDT by thouworm (A lawless oligarchy has replaced our Constitution-based govt. Their motto: Catch us if you can.)
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To: neverdem
Senator Cruz, along with Senator Mike Lee and House conservatives, devised a strategy to forestall the unpopular socialized-medicine scheme that Democrats unilaterally rammed through Congress in 2010. They would starve it of funds, not unlike the way Democrats and Republicans have slashed funds for fence construction along the Mexican border, even though the fence has been the law of the land for seven years.

A brilliant parallel, and WHY hasn't this been brought up before??!!?

23 posted on 09/28/2013 2:42:06 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: Jim Robinson; Lazamataz
Don't let the title fool you.

It Doesn't Matter If the Obamacare Defunding Gambit Fails

It matters next to nothing if current Republican efforts succeed in immediately defunding Obamacare. That's because this is just the opening round of what promises to be a protracted struggle to restore sanity to the American health care system. A temporary defeat at one juncture on the road to repeal isn't really a defeat at all, provided that it serves a larger purpose. Obamacare, after all, wasn't enacted in a day and it won't be repealed in a day.

Both the Ted Cruz talkathon and the brinksmanship over the stop-gap government funding measure (called a "continuing resolution") epitomize purposeful political theater.

Ignore the blatherskite spewing from GOP establishment talking heads like Karl Rove: there is absolutely nothing wrong with doing political things strictly for public consumption even when there is a less-than-direct or less-than-obvious relationship between the things done and the desired results. It's not somehow dishonest or dishonorable to do this, contrary to the protestations of the pompous pundits who suck up air in the Washington echo chamber.

In this age of instant everything, we tend to forget that politics isn't always about concrete, instantaneous results. It's about symbolism. It's about focusing the attention of people in order to educate them. It's about framing the issues properly, telling stories, and planting memes in public spaces, allowing them to spread like dandelion seeds on a passing breeze. That's how Americans were brainwashed into believing that Republicans are the "party of the rich" and gazillionaire George Soros's Democrats are the caring party of compassion.

In short, the Tea Party needs to go Alinksy. And when they get called teabaggers, they need to be addressed some variation of commie, marxist, pinko, etc.

24 posted on 09/28/2013 2:51:28 PM PDT by neverdem (Register pressure cookers! /s)
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To: neverdem; Jim Robinson; All
The American people do not want Obamacare, and the representatives closest to them have voted not to spend the people’s money on it. According to the Constitution, that should be the end of the matter.

Perfect and is what Boehner should tell the Senate and the Marxist.

25 posted on 09/28/2013 2:52:30 PM PDT by RedMDer (http://www.dontfundobamacare.com/)
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To: PJ-Comix; DeWalt
And yet ObamaCare originated in the Senate.

There's another federal court case because of that. I don't know what happened to it.

26 posted on 09/28/2013 3:00:42 PM PDT by neverdem (Register pressure cookers! /s)
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To: Jim Robinson

Brilliantly presented and it reads like poetry to me.

As Andrew C. McCarthy said, “According to the Constitution, that should be the end of the matter.”

Defund the damn thing.


27 posted on 09/28/2013 3:07:18 PM PDT by Gator113 (The mighty Bear ate the cowardly rat. Obama must resign.)
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To: thouworm
Jim R has been saying this for...ever... Most recently"

I know, and he's been saying it loud and clear.

28 posted on 09/28/2013 3:12:35 PM PDT by jazusamo ([Obama] A Truly Great Phony -- Thomas Sowell http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3058949/posts)
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To: Jim Robinson; neverdem
Thank you for the ping!

neverdem, thanks for posting. WOW!!! This is what FReepers have been saying.

And it matches my new tagline.

29 posted on 09/28/2013 3:17:32 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: Cyber Liberty

I agree.


30 posted on 09/28/2013 3:20:31 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Cyber Liberty

it was a first battle in getting the republicans out of the way in order to get our country back.

It went very well.

I picture Cornyn pacing around his ranch, perhaps a drink in hand, his wife out and about, a few unwanted phone calls, muttering to himself.

McConnell is the same, delayed by about a month.

Boehner is delaying obamacare for long enough to ensure it doesn’t effect the 2014 elections.

All slowly realizing that the massive amounts of people very badly affected by obamacare are done with these golfers. And now they know whom to turn to.

Their party is over.

Cruz hasn’t miscalculated anything, including that he is a freshman senator who just took de facto charge.


31 posted on 09/28/2013 3:34:25 PM PDT by stanne
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To: Uncle Chip

If Obama can selectively enforce laws enacted by Congress, then the House ought to be able to selectively fund their laws.


32 posted on 09/28/2013 3:37:57 PM PDT by Hoosier-Daddy ( "It is not our job to protect the people from the consequences of their political choices.")
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To: stanne
Boehner is delaying obamacare for long enough to ensure it doesn’t effect the 2014 elections.

I'd be interested in seeing your reasoning that concludes having a nuclear blast a month before the 2014 elections doesn't affect the 2014 elections. I really would.

33 posted on 09/28/2013 3:40:59 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (It's hard to accept the truth when the lies were exactly what you wanted to hear.)
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To: Jim Robinson; neverdem

BUMP


34 posted on 09/28/2013 3:41:35 PM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: alphadog
This bill went to the Senate where Majority Leader Harry Reid gutted H.R. 3590, deleted all the contents after the first sentence, and replaced it with what became the “Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act” of November 19, 2009.

Yes. Outrageous. Have you heard about the status of the lawsuit to challenge this in the Supreme Court?

35 posted on 09/28/2013 3:42:25 PM PDT by BfloGuy (Workers and consumers are, of course, identical.)
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To: Cyber Liberty

Benghazi, NSA spying, IRS scandal, $6 million personal vacations every six months, Obama shutting down the government over a complete abomination, running up more debt in 5 years than all other presidents COMBINED, appointing Kerry, Hagel, Hillary, Rice, Powers to top positions, to name a few disaster for which BO and the democrats take zero responsibility.

You don’t follow these stories, do you?


36 posted on 09/28/2013 3:46:34 PM PDT by stanne
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To: stanne

Of course I follow them. You forgot to mention George Zimmerman’s getting screwed and Marco Rubio’s pushing amnesty. You’re a piker. But it appears you think I am incapable of following all of them. You must think me stupid?

Distraction Trolls get the same good treatment from me as Concern Trolls. Piss off.


37 posted on 09/28/2013 3:58:53 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (It's hard to accept the truth when the lies were exactly what you wanted to hear.)
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To: Cyber Liberty

We are supposed to think delaying obamacare is a good strategy? We are supposed to think the media and the public will come to their senses in a year, in the last month of that year and vote for the people trying to save us from it?

When they did not try to save us from it, they just put it off for a year in order to retain their tee times?

No


38 posted on 09/28/2013 4:03:09 PM PDT by stanne
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To: Cyber Liberty

If you are under the impression that Senator Cruz and Senator Lee were pushing for this, you are misguided.

A man doesn’t stand ad deliver for 21+ hours to delay a disastrous law.

Defund it.

Distraction, indeed.


39 posted on 09/28/2013 4:05:34 PM PDT by stanne
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To: stanne

You really need to get some rest, stanne. I mean that sincerely.

Nobody is ever going to give you a magic wand to make everything operate as you think it should. It’s sad, I know, but it’s the way things go. I wish somebody would explain that to Ron Paul.


40 posted on 09/28/2013 4:09:23 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (It's hard to accept the truth when the lies were exactly what you wanted to hear.)
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To: stanne
A man doesn’t stand a[n]d deliver for 21+ hours to delay a disastrous law.

Yes, a good man does. That is exactly why he did it. He'd tell you.

Please. Rest. You'll thank me for it later.

41 posted on 09/28/2013 4:12:27 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (It's hard to accept the truth when the lies were exactly what you wanted to hear.)
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To: Cyber Liberty

Well, I’ve tried to oblige your rude requests.

Perhaps you should now do a little work and do the convincing.

What makes delaying this a good idea.

I expect you to continue personally attacking me and not give an answer.

But you’re on record as doing so.


42 posted on 09/28/2013 4:14:49 PM PDT by stanne
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To: Cyber Liberty

A quote, please.

No. It was an effort to defund.

You may prove otherwise


43 posted on 09/28/2013 4:15:51 PM PDT by stanne
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To: stanne

I have a parable, of sorts..an analogy. But I’m tired of posting it. You don’t seem interested anyway.


44 posted on 09/28/2013 4:21:40 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (It's hard to accept the truth when the lies were exactly what you wanted to hear.)
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To: Cyber Liberty

Yeah, that presents us with a strong case in point.


45 posted on 09/28/2013 4:22:41 PM PDT by stanne
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To: stanne

Yes. The point being I have a troll problem. Turning it off, now.


46 posted on 09/28/2013 4:25:22 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (It's hard to accept the truth when the lies were exactly what you wanted to hear.)
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To: Cyber Liberty

Trolling that Boehner is being a wimp?
If that’s trolling, then I am guilty.


47 posted on 09/28/2013 4:33:26 PM PDT by stanne
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To: alphadog

Yes! So who is going to challenge it in the judicial branch?


48 posted on 09/28/2013 4:36:49 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Much as I hate to admit it — as I am not a great fan — San Antonio’s drive-time WAOI host, Joe “Pags,” has brought this up more than once in recent weeks.

One of those times was while interviewing Beltway dinosaur Congressman Lamar Smith, who did not quite seem able to grasp the significance of what Pags was saying at the time.


49 posted on 09/28/2013 4:42:00 PM PDT by man_in_tx (Blowback (Faithfully farting twowards Mecca five times daily).)
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To: Don Corleone; MinuteGal; penelopesire; maggief; onyx

Can they fund it for a dollar?
Just try and 0 will hollar!

Can they fund it for a quarter?
And the the savings close the border!

Can the fund it with a dime?
Hold the budget to the line!

Can they? Will they give a penny?
They won’t listen to us or any!

Fund it! Yes indeed they’ll fund it!
They will fund until there’s n’any!

They will fund it with our dollars
They will fund it with our quarter
With our dimes and with our pennies!

They will fund and fund and fund
Until we kick them out the bums!

By:
MKP


50 posted on 09/28/2013 5:18:09 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then)
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