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Doctors, doctors everywhere, but not a one to see you (under Obamacare exchange coverage)
Legal Insurrection ^ | September 15, 2013 | Professor William A. Jacobson

Posted on 09/15/2013 2:46:45 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Death Panels by a thousand cuts.

No one could have seen this coming, no one.

From the L.A. Times, that hotbed of right-wing scare-tactics, Insurers limiting doctors, hospitals in health insurance market:

The doctor can’t see you now.

Consumers may hear that a lot more often after getting health insurance under President Obama’s Affordable Care Act.

To hold down premiums, major insurers in California have sharply limited the number of doctors and hospitals available to patients in the state’s new health insurance market opening Oct. 1.

New data reveal the extent of those cuts in California, a crucial test bed for the federal healthcare law.

These diminished medical networks are fueling growing concerns that many patients will still struggle to get care despite the nation’s biggest healthcare expansion in half a century.

Consumers could see long wait times, a scarcity of specialists and loss of a longtime doctor.

“These narrow networks won’t work because they cut off access for patients,” said Dr. Richard Baker, executive director of the Urban Health Institute at Charles Drew University of Medicine and Science in Los Angeles. “We don’t want this to become a roadblock.”

Welcome to the new normal.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: deathcare; deathpanels; medicine; nothealthcare; obama; obamacare; romneyagenda; romneycare

1 posted on 09/15/2013 2:46:45 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Death Panels?

I will take, “guess who was right about Death Panels” for 100 Alex.


2 posted on 09/15/2013 2:52:59 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Make today a great day. Insult a liberal.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

When Reagan was president, we had the Thompson Twins everywhere. It was a better time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_66L4wdNXw


3 posted on 09/15/2013 2:54:03 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (21st century. I'm not a fan.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Earlier this week I asked my Internist if they [Internal Medicine Clinic] were expecting any major changes when Obamacare starts.

He replied that they were ‘just waiting to see what they get hit with.’

I suspect a lot of small medical practices are waiting. The impact may not be felt for months — as those small practices get hit with new regulations and reporting requirements, etc.


4 posted on 09/15/2013 2:55:20 PM PDT by TomGuy (.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I was going to have a five-month wait to again see a specialist ARNP. Then it turned out the receptionist made a mistake and the five months was for new patients. So now it is six weeks for me, which is a whole lot better but I wish it could be tomorrow. There are no covered physicians in the specialty anywhere in this area so an ARNP it is.


5 posted on 09/15/2013 2:58:46 PM PDT by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
To hold down premiums, major insurers in California have sharply limited the number of doctors and hospitals available to patients in the state’s new health insurance market opening Oct. 1.

And is the Cali government selecting which doctors and hospitals will be available? Did they access some IRS files to see the political donations and voting records(?) of said doctors and hospitals to decided who would be allowed access to the ZeroCare $$?

6 posted on 09/15/2013 2:58:58 PM PDT by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: jeffc

You mean like they did to car dealerships when they took over GMC and Chrysler?


7 posted on 09/15/2013 3:04:42 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I aim to raise a million plus for Gov. Palin. What'll you do?.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I think the next two months will see civil unrest in the streets as the cold slap of ObamaCare hits those with private healthcare plans at last.

OK, maybe not rioting, but tons of screaming and moaning from those who were heretofore Obama’s Imperial Loyalists.


8 posted on 09/15/2013 3:05:38 PM PDT by llevrok ("It's a beautiful thing, the destruction of words....." - Geo. Orwell)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Doctor Who is no longer a show, it is a Response when go to the hospital and ask for one...

“I’d like a doctor to treat this wound”

“Doctor Who?”


9 posted on 09/15/2013 3:08:58 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’ve said this over and over, but there are huge opportunities in this mess. Insurance companies have already opted out of the exchanges, so they will continue to offer policies that don’t match 0bamacare’s requirements, leaving their customers to pay a tax for the “right” to have the health insurance of their choice.

On the other hand, I’m certain there will be some doctors who refuse to see 0bamacare patients (just as some refuse Medicare now). Unlike Hillarycare, there is no penalty for a doctor seeing a patient outside of the government system.

If nothing else, there will be a million clinics along the border serving the needs of those who are within traveling distance.

Opportunities abound, folks.


10 posted on 09/15/2013 3:09:07 PM PDT by Stegall Tx (I guess I'll have to give up teaching and get a real job in the Spring.)
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To: Stegall Tx

Converted cruise and cargo ships offshore as hospital ships? Medical tourism in the Pacific, Central and South America?


11 posted on 09/15/2013 3:12:44 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I aim to raise a million plus for Gov. Palin. What'll you do?.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Better dust off your old Red Cross manual to heel they self.


12 posted on 09/15/2013 3:13:47 PM PDT by Average Al
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
No one could have seen this coming, no one.

Well, except for people smart enough to have read about socialism in history books.

13 posted on 09/15/2013 3:17:40 PM PDT by Standing Wolf (No tyrant should ever be allowed to die of natural causes.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

preventative medicine is key. be proactive. don’t take stupid’risks.


14 posted on 09/15/2013 3:38:13 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Consumers could see long wait times, a scarcity of specialists and loss of a longtime doctor.

Just like in every other country with socialized medicine.

Didn't see that one coming.

15 posted on 09/15/2013 3:39:42 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: llevrok
I think the next two months will see civil unrest in the streets as the cold slap of ObamaCare hits those with private healthcare plans at last. OK, maybe not rioting, but tons of screaming and moaning from those who were heretofore Obama’s Imperial Loyalists.

I hope to God you're right. But I'm afraid the public, outside of us Tea Party types, will just shrug their shoulders.

And the liberals will blame Republicans for the failure of socialized medicine.

16 posted on 09/15/2013 3:43:19 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Snailmail, email and call your Representative and Senators and tell them to remove funding for Obamacare from the coming Continuing Resolution.

Do this even if one or both are RATS. Now is the time to make a resounding impression.


17 posted on 09/15/2013 3:45:16 PM PDT by upchuck (The nobama regime: a string of omnishambles that stretches, seemingly, to infinity.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Converted cruise and cargo ships offshore as hospital ships?

Out beyond the 12 mile limit with well appointed crusiers to run the patients back and forth.

I expect this will be a growth industry.

18 posted on 09/15/2013 3:49:00 PM PDT by upchuck (The nobama regime: a string of omnishambles that stretches, seemingly, to infinity.)
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To: Stegall Tx
I’ve said this over and over, but there are huge opportunities in this mess.

As you note, border clinics. My projection was hospital ships... just like gambling ships that operate outside of state or federal limits. Another poster pointed out that Indian Reservations are exempt from many laws, as we've seen with casinos. It would be ironic if the depressed reservations became new enterprise centers. Why, just the other day, I read that the location of a new oil refinery was contemplated in a reservation. Why not medical clinics, too?

19 posted on 09/15/2013 4:30:00 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: upchuck

There are a whole lot of people who have no clue about anything regarding the fines or anything else about Obamacare. Most people work all day and catch a few mins of the local news and then watch a movie. They have no clue yet what is about to hit them and it will hit them all like a ton of bricks.


20 posted on 09/15/2013 4:36:18 PM PDT by sheikdetailfeather (Yuri Bezmenov (KGB Defector) - "Kick The Communists Out of Your Govt. & Don't Accept Their Goodies.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I have it on good authority that under Obamacare, you can keep your same doctor and your rates will go down about $2,500. This must be just some little California glitch that will soon work itself out.

Excuse me a second. I think that is my free Obamaphone ringing again to let me know my free EBT Card has been refilled, or my free Section 8 Housing voucher is ready for pickup, along with my free public transportation passes, and my new free Medicaid ID. They say it won't be necessary for voting, though, so those wonderful people running the country up at Obama's Stash are keeping things very simple for us.

America! Is this a great country, or what!!??

21 posted on 09/15/2013 4:52:40 PM PDT by Gritty (Nobody wants to hear about American exceptionalism when the issue is American ineffectualism-MSteyn)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

When the state owned press reports that everything is wonderful individuals will think “I must be the only one who’s unhappy.”


22 posted on 09/15/2013 4:55:05 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: Pearls Before Swine

The other benefit of Indians opening medical clinics - there are reservations scattered across the country. Even small ones in the East could find large customer bases. And the private medical care paid by gringos could subsidize decent medical care for Native Americans, versus the Native American health services today where they jokingly say not to get sick past March due to lack of funds.
And unlike building a refinery, medical practitioners could relocate to the reservations in a matter of weeks or months.


23 posted on 09/15/2013 5:21:20 PM PDT by tbw2
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To: Pearls Before Swine
Another poster pointed out that Indian Reservations are exempt from many laws, as we've seen with casinos. It would be ironic if the depressed reservations became new enterprise centers.

Excellent idea. Another irony would be the people who have suffered under the administration of the Indian Health Service (IHS) might be the salvation of the rest of us.

24 posted on 09/15/2013 5:40:27 PM PDT by Stegall Tx (I guess I'll have to give up teaching and get a real job in the Spring.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Can't you just see Carnival and Disney running five day "wellness cruises" to the Caribbean? Get all your tests done, see a real Doctor, prescriptions written, and filled at foreign ports of call with cooperating expat pharmacists, all in a relaxing atmosphere at a fraction of the price back home.
25 posted on 09/15/2013 6:18:21 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Death Panels by a thousand cuts. No one could have seen this coming, no one.

Someone did.


26 posted on 09/15/2013 7:41:39 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: jeffc
And is the Cali government selecting which doctors and hospitals will be available?

I believe the insurance companies decide that.

27 posted on 09/15/2013 8:17:16 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (The Presidency is broken.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Many of the best doctors are approaching retirement age.


28 posted on 09/15/2013 8:30:14 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (The Presidency is broken.)
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