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As ties with India grow, Israel again says won't supply arms to Pakistan
NDTV ^ | 15 Sep., 2013 | NDTV

Posted on 09/15/2013 7:56:04 AM PDT by James C. Bennett

NEW DELHI: With its defence ties with India growing at a rapid pace, Israel today asserted that it will not supply any weapons systems and military hardware to Pakistan, saying the policy in this regard was "very clear" and "strict".

Israeli Ambassador Alon Ushpiz said his country follows a very strict guidelines in exporting weapons systems and there was no question of reversing its policy of not supplying military hardware to Pakistan.

"The policy of Government of Israel is (very clear) and we are tremendously strict about it that we do not export weapons system to Pakistan," he said.

A report by Israel's Haaretz newspaper in June had quoted a British government report saying Israel exported military equipment, including hi-tech gear used in combat jets, over the past five years to Pakistan. Israel had strongly rejected the report, saying it would "not do anything that could undermine" India's security.

"Very specifically we do not export weapons system to Pakistan. We have a very strict set of regulations for exporting. It is very very sophisticated process and different agencies are engaged in that. India is a close friend," he said, replying to a question on the report by the Israeli newspaper.

Expressing satisfaction over defence ties with India, which is Israel's largest purchaser of security equipment, he said there was no possibility of reversing the policy of not supplying weapons systems to Pakistan.

"There is a very strict policy of state of Israel..This is in black and white. The answer to all your questions is a very clear swift long no. You are asking something very very hypothetical and even to that I think the answer is no," Ushpiz said.

Refusing to speak about any specific arms deals with India, he said the defence ties between the two countries was not about "buying and selling".

"I am very proud of the defence relationship," he said, adding Israel was even keen on transfer of technology to India.

Asked about a proposal to supply anti-tank guided missiles (ATGMs) to India, he said, "I will not go into specifics. Even in this case we have best technology."

TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events; Russia; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: china; india; islam; israel; kashmir; muslim; nepal; pakistan; russia; srilanka; unitedkingdom; waronterror

Why is the US giving Pakistan weapons to be used against India?

By Seema Sirohi | FirstPost India

In the context of the recent continuous tensions on the LOC, it is useful to take a hard look at the unhealthy US-Pakistan relationship of dependence, if only as a reminder of how some things never change.

The Pakistani military's signals to India are clear and present. The continuous attacks along the Line of Control are an unmistakable attempt to shatter the peace, break the long-held ceasefire and pull the rug from under the shaky feet of Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif.

The decade-old ceasefire needs to be maintained even though the Pakistan army and its affiliated jihadis would like nothing better than to destroy it and start the pot boiling. It would be a disaster to return to the days of easy infiltration into Jammu and Kashmir under the cover of heavy fire from the Pakistan army.

The Obama Administration needs to tell its friends in Rawalpindi in no uncertain terms to maintain the sanctity of the ceasefire. But so far, apart from anodyne statements implying equal responsibility for the killings on the LOC, it has said nothing to rein in the Pakistani military.

What's more, it continues to quietly furnish sophisticated military weapons to Pakistan that are highly unsuitable against terrorists but very suitable against India.

Pakistan's army chief, Gen. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, clearly the tactical winner in Afghanistan, is busy bolstering his arsenal against India in the fog of war. And with American blessings. He has amassed a goodly pile of big, new toys.

That Gen. Kayani would take maximum advantage of the US was expected but that Americans would stretch, tamper, and make a mockery of their own laws to allow it was not. That India's interests would once again be ignored was surprising. Call me innocent.

The old mindset of some "babus" in the US State and Defence departments to keep Pakistan as a "regional balancer" against India is alive and well - an idea that incidentally also fits in with China's plan of action. One official familiar with this thinking said the babus want the "Rawalpindi boys to be able to face India with dignity." Thus the largesse of American weapons. Oh boy, I said.

The "dignity" has been furnished since 9/11 in the form of $20 billion, more than half of it in military aid of various kinds. The US government has funded eight P-3C Orion maritime patrol aircraft, 2,000 TOW anti-armor missiles, 14 older model F-16 fighter jets, 59 T-37 trainer jets, one missile frigate, six AN/TPS-77 surveillance radars, and 20 Cobra attack helicopters among other weapons for Pakistan.

The figures are in a report published in July by the Congressional Research Service (CRS), the non-partisan analytical arm of the US Congress. The report says the US Defence Department "characterized" the F-16 fighters, P-3Cs and anti-armor missiles as "having significant anti-terrorism applications." The State Department claimed everything fits under "counterterrorism efforts, broadly defined."

The broad is very broad in this case. The babus told CRS these weapons increase regional stability and "allow Pakistan to feel more secure vis--vis India, its better equipped neighbor."

Psychoanalysis of what makes Pakistan "feel" more secure apart, what is galling is US officials "fiddling with the intention and spirit" of their own laws, in the words of one American analyst.

Moving on to the pipeline of weapons -- Pakistan has paid $1.43 billion from its "own" funds to buy 18 new F-16 advanced combat aircraft. It has bought a variety of heavy bombs and 500 - repeat 500 --AMRAAM air-to-air missiles for $629 million. It also bought 100 Harpoon anti-ship missiles and 500 Sidewinder air-to-air missiles for a total of $400 million. Just for comparison -- India bought 24 Harpoons from the US in 2011 for $170 million.

Pakistan military's liquidity may astonish some, given that the country's economy is in dire straits and is constantly mortgaged to the IMF. So how did they do it? Well, it was rather elementary. The US has transferred humongous amounts of money to Pakistan since 2002 leaving enormous scope for fiddling the books.

The gravy train is called the Coalition Support Funds (CSF), which is actually meant to "reimburse" Pakistan for its "operational and logistical" support to US troops. On this train came $10.7 billion as of June this year.

Call it the great train robbery - the money was paid against actual (overinflated) invoices with little oversight. Most of this money likely came back to the US in the form of "Pakistani national funds" to buy the advanced weapons. These couldn't be funded through US government programs because they were so blatantly inappropriate for fighting terrorists that even the most expanded American definition of "counterterrorism" couldn't justify them.

The18 new F-16C/D Block 52 aircraft with advanced avionics valued at $1.43 billion and already delivered probably came from this liquidity. On the books the money is to feed, clothe and house poor Pakistani soldiers and supply them with ammunition while they take on the bad guys in the northwest of the country.

So rampant was the "mismanagement" of CSF, the US Congress was forced to look into it. A report by the Government Accountability Office in 2008 asked for more accountability and oversight on Pakistan's reimbursement claims. But nothing changed in essential terms because the 2014 deadline for US withdrawal was approaching.

President Obama, who once clearly understood Kayani's anti-India game, appears to have changed tack. His administration quietly issued two waivers in September 2012 and February 2013, setting aside its own certification requirements for Pakistan - that it cooperate on counterterrorism and non-proliferation. Curiously, the waivers didn't make a splash in major US newspapers.

Ironically, Secretary of State John Kerry, who as senate chairman envisioned a "new" relationship with Pakistan by bolstering the civilian government, now oversees the dilution of that very idea. Sharif is not on his speed dial list. But Gen. Kayani probably is.

Where does this leave US goals of a strategic partnership with India is a good question to ponder.

1 posted on 09/15/2013 7:56:04 AM PDT by James C. Bennett
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To: James C. Bennett

Overall, given the sheer population size of India, its high tech capability (e.g., they have launched satellites, etc. and are a regular arms refitter/modernization arm for older Russian and Chinese arms, have the bomb and a large contingent of highly educated scientists and mathematicians, and a not shabby military), it is a good pairing for Israel.

In fact, the US should be better sustaining its relationship with India instead of a mostly backward Muslim extremist country like Pakistan - who sheltered Osama Bin Laden for over a decade.

In the end, when push comes to shove, and we end up confronting Russia and/or China with only our nuke arsenal that Obama is hell-bent on destroying, wouldn’t you rather have a billion or two Indians on your side?

2 posted on 09/15/2013 8:15:16 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Gaffer
In fact, the US should be better sustaining its relationship with India instead of a mostly backward Muslim extremist country like Pakistan - who sheltered Osama Bin Laden for over a decade.

Not only that, Gaffer, but India has taken long strides away from its socialism of its first few decades of independence, and seems determined to comport itself as a constitutional state with representative government, rights for all, economic and individual freedom, et cetera. It's not hard to understand why President You Didn't Build That would side with Pakistan; for the vast majority of Americans, however, the obvious choice is India.

3 posted on 09/15/2013 8:22:48 AM PDT by Standing Wolf (No tyrant should ever be allowed to die of natural causes.)
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To: Standing Wolf

The main attraction of India for me is that it is not a primarily Muslim country. Hinduism and the other religions of India are not a problem from a sense of being enlightened and civil. Islam is the worst of all possible choices for a country for me.

In all my dealings of people from India, I found them to be educated, civil and not completely insane like most all Muslims I’ve encountered.

4 posted on 09/15/2013 8:44:23 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Thanks James C. Bennett.

China: ‘Pakistan is our Israel’
Al-Jazeera | 28 Oct 2010 | Thalif Deen
Posted on 11/01/2010 10:08:14 PM PDT by BlackVeil

5 posted on 09/15/2013 11:05:53 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Thanks James C. Bennett.

China: ‘Pakistan is our Israel’
Al-Jazeera | 28 Oct 2010 | Thalif Deen
Posted on 11/01/2010 10:08:14 PM PDT by BlackVeil

6 posted on 09/15/2013 12:05:27 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: SunkenCiv
Sunk, the CHICOM-Paki Alliance is just normal triangulation. The CHICOM and the Pakis both have disputed border areas with India and they think that they can squeeze the Indians. The Pakis are probably just dumb enough to try and game the CHICOM by turning around and arming the Muslim "rebels" within China. Give any jihadists within China another 10 minutes before the CHICOM turn'em into fertilizer.

The Pakis are soon to find out that although they are truly 'Worthy Oriental Gentlemen,' the CHICOM are probably a whole lot worthier.

At one time, the Pakis were at least sort of semi-maybe-reliable cohorts in the area, but no longer. The question is, "WTF are we doing arming these Islamists?" Of course the same question is appropriate for all the faux-'rebel' jihadists we have been arming and encouraging throughout the 'Arab Spring.'

7 posted on 09/15/2013 2:15:31 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk ( "Obama, The Movie" Introducing Reggie Love as "Monica! ")
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