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White House: No subsidies for union health plans
Yahoo! News ^ | 9/13/13 | Sam Hananel - ap

Posted on 09/13/2013 5:54:34 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

WASHINGTON (AP) — Low-income workers on union health plans are not eligible for the same federal subsidies available to those who buy insurance in the new state health care marketplaces, the White House said Friday.

The decision is a disappointment for labor unions, coming shortly after top union officials met for more than an hour with President Barack Obama to press their case that subsidies could be extended to union-sponsored plans.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: abortion; deathpanels; healthplans; obamacare; obamacaresubsidies; obamacarewaivers; subsidies; union; unions; whitehouse; zerocare
Friday night dump stuff..
1 posted on 09/13/2013 5:54:34 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge

I don’t buy it. From what I’ve heard Richard Trumpka seemed quite pleased when he left the white house.


2 posted on 09/13/2013 5:57:00 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: NormsRevenge

Either a knife in the back to the unions or another head-fake. Time to watch the other hand, again.


3 posted on 09/13/2013 5:57:55 PM PDT by AD from SpringBay (http://jonah2eight.blogspot.com/)
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To: NormsRevenge

We ain’t gotta buy you. We already got you.


4 posted on 09/13/2013 5:59:17 PM PDT by SeeSharp
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To: cripplecreek

Head fake. They got some sort of deal.


5 posted on 09/13/2013 6:00:08 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Obama will do what the unions want behind our backs.


6 posted on 09/13/2013 6:00:53 PM PDT by dforest (UT)
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To: Lazamataz

Obama probably told Trumka to let it ride, I got another cash grab coming up.


7 posted on 09/13/2013 6:01:35 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: NormsRevenge

I don’t think so. I believe the fix was in for the unions to be accommodated long before ObamaCare was passed. The rest if for show.


8 posted on 09/13/2013 6:02:00 PM PDT by Robwin
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To: NormsRevenge
But some union leaders have complained for months that it is not being implemented fairly.

In other words...we aren't used to be treated like the average Joe Citizen...

9 posted on 09/13/2013 6:02:25 PM PDT by Popman (Liberal wars are about killing people for humanitarian reasons...)
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To: NormsRevenge

LOL

If true, he just shot himself in the foot.


10 posted on 09/13/2013 6:03:14 PM PDT by wastedyears (One nation, under wub. Saints Row IV)
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To: NormsRevenge
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11 posted on 09/13/2013 6:06:13 PM PDT by CMailBag
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To: NormsRevenge

We have to pass the bill to find out what is in it.

Yet according to this story this decision was made today.

In other words it wasn’t in the bill/
In other words they are still making up the bill as they go along. The Bill wasn’t made by Congress it is up to the White House what the bill is. The White House is making key decisions.

What a flustercluck.


12 posted on 09/13/2013 6:09:23 PM PDT by Venturer ( cowardice posturing as tolerance =political correctness)
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To: NormsRevenge

Very good! These union thugs just got shafted with the rest of us. Best they get enraged and do the violence to stop this. Then we jail them too.


13 posted on 09/13/2013 6:11:56 PM PDT by MtnClimber (0-Bomb-a-Nation. Resist we much!)
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To: NormsRevenge

Trumpka explodes, film at eleven.


14 posted on 09/13/2013 6:12:15 PM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: NormsRevenge

No subsidies for you! Said the Obama subsidy Nazi!


15 posted on 09/13/2013 6:13:00 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: SeeSharp
Obama got what he wanted and needed from the unions. They are of no further use to him. He knows they will not oppose him politically even as they whine and bitch. Therefore he will ignore them from hence forward.
16 posted on 09/13/2013 6:13:03 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Darksheare

The fix is in...it will come in some rule hidden deep ...Washington fits the Hunger Games ,,,of the twelve Districts ...we have 57


17 posted on 09/13/2013 6:16:44 PM PDT by Hojczyk
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To: NormsRevenge

Who knows what to believe? When it comes to Obamacare, nobody knows what’s in it. And, contrary to Pelosi, they never will.


18 posted on 09/13/2013 6:18:46 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Hojczyk

Yup.
Some screwy thing is going on.
We will hear about it, maybe, and they’ll pretend nothing is amiss.


19 posted on 09/13/2013 6:19:06 PM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: AD from SpringBay

Head fake. Duplicity is a pillar of virtue for the demoncrat party.


20 posted on 09/13/2013 6:21:18 PM PDT by Ezekiel (The Obama-nation began with the Inauguration of Desolation.)
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To: NormsRevenge
What a joke...no subsidies for unions. Ha ha. Funny.

I have posted this before on FR. I can't tell you how angry I was when I tried to find out how back in 2010 how many dollars from the "American Recovery and Reinvestment Act" were used to build a state of the art visitor center on the grounds of a national park near me.

Sudbury, Massachusetts is near where I live, it is one of the wealthiest communities in the state, and is located some twenty miles due west of Boston. In Sudbury, there was an old, abandoned Army base that had been closed up for years, and sometime in the last ten years or so, it was opened to the public to be able to walk through. It was great.

Not many people knew about it or knew it was open, and one could walk on dilapidated old crumbling roads through the woods, punctuated by an occasional boarded up decaying building. Most interestingly, there are a series of huge concrete munitions bunkers with evidence of railroad (possibly small gage) that serviced the bunkers, and on a few of them, you could get inside to find old, empty metal desks, light fixtures in the overhead with old fashioned incandescent bulbs in them.

To anyone who has ever lived on military installations, it has that general air of decay you know you could sniff out in the remote accesses even on some large active bases. As someone who grew up as a military brat and spent many hours exploring such ignored areas, that type of thing has always had a kind of charm for me. Anyway, it was great, and always deserted. Just about two years ago, I began to see evidence of activity...backhoes, roads being paved and such. It was a real disappointment, and I stopped going there for a while. Then, last winter, my wife and I went for a wintertime snow walk there, and came across this facility:

Now, just seeing that sign makes my blood pressure go up, but as I looked over the facility, I got angrier and angrier.

There was apparently no expense spared to build this facility, everything built of the highest quality materials, I do believe there were solar electricity panels on the roof (not sure though) but it didn't look like they skimped on anything. As I looked through the windows of the closed facility, I think I even saw Herman Miller chairs in what looked like an office. Bottom line, I see this, and figure they probably spent at LEAST a million or two on this facility, probably more, and now have it staffed with a park ranger or two. All this money WE DON'T HAVE for one or two government employee FTE's. Don't get me wrong, I like parks and such. BUT YOU DON'T SPEND MONEY YOU HAVE TO BORROW TO BUILD THEM! If times are prosperous, just maybe you can do it, but when we have a debt burden of $500,000 per household in this country, it is INSANITY to spend money on this type of thing.

So I decided to try to find out just how much of the "stimulus" was spent on this boondoggle. There is a website in Massachusetts to monitor the distribution of the stimulus funds at Massachusetts Recovery Website as an an attempt to live up to the Obama administration's promise of "transparency".

On the site, you can dig around in a variety of ways to see data, one way to slice it is by project, another shows funds by zip code. Unfortunately, they make it so you cannot download all the funds for all Massachusetts zip codes, but at least you can download data for a given zip code for a given fiscal quarter. Now, I never did find out how much was spent on that facility. But what I did find out was interesting.

I downloaded the data for 01776 (oh, the IRONY at that zip code) in successive passes for each fiscal quarter and got them all into an Excel spreadsheet. Once there, I used a pivot table to slice the data in a variety of ways. The column on the left is a general category, and the categories from left to right are subcategories of that. I specified that I only wanted to see the top four, and specifically excluded the Police and Firefighter components, but since the total money awarded was $25.2 million and this table shows an expenditure of $23.13 million, that means all other expenditures for this community that I didn't show totaled just over two million dollars. So my table below shows the lion's share.

(I only showed money awarded, not money used, but gee whiz, is anyone concerned they would get awarded the money and not use it? I'm not...)

As I went through the data, I kept seeing an entry for Minuteman Nashoba Heath, and it was a large chunk twice a year. Doing a search on the Internet showed this website: Minuteman Nashoba Health Group. They describe themselves as such:

"The Minuteman Nashoba Health Group (MNHG) is a coalition of Massachusetts towns and school districts that have joined together to purchase health benefits for their employees, retirees, and their eligible dependents. Joint purchasing of health benefits gives the participating governmental employers purchasing clout to help keep costs under control. The MNHG has been operational since 1990 and has added several towns to its membership in the last several years." I don't know what the cost for healthcare is for teachers in that town, but it looks from a couple of things I have seen that teachers might contribute between 20-30% of their own money towards their premium. Bottom line, you folks down in Texas, all you Freepers in California, even you Sooners out in Oklahoma, your tax dollars are all paying for the health care of unionized Massachusetts teachers.

I am not choosing Sudbury, MA for analysis because of some perceived corruption. I don't believe it is any more or less corrupt than any other community in this country. It just happened to be the community I was looking at to find out about something else, and this fell out of it. I fully expect that if I were to do this analysis on my town (which I will do) or any other locality in this state or throughout the country, we might find similar activity. What is unspeakable in my opinion is the fact that we took hundreds of billions of dollars we didn't have, and opened the coffers for every community around the nation to dip their hands into. To me, this is the equivalent of a family that cannot meet their mortgage (or their second and third concurrent and outstanding Home Equity Loan) pay their car insurance or keep up with any of the other bills they have incurred, taking out a fourth home equity loan, withdrawing it in cash and distributing it throughout the family. "Hey everyone, I'm going to buy a new boat, Mom is going to get a sports car, you kids can take the rest of this and spend it on whatever you wish! Computers, video games, clothes, whatever you want! You don't have to tell me precisely what you are doing with it (and even if you do tell me, I'll just wink and approve!) and you won't have to pay any of it back! This is FREE MONEY, and we are going to have a great time with it!" We have heard people say the whole stimulus bill is a scam. From day one, I have believed it. We have heard many say that this stimulus was supposed to provide "shovel ready jobs" that would stimulate the economy, but from looking at the expenditures, it is clear that, in one of the single, wealthiest communities in Massachusetts, 25 million dollars of stimulus money was spent, and the vast majority of it appears to be spent not on "shovel ready jobs" (whatever the HELL that means) but instead for paying for unemployment benefits, benefits for teachers and other "unspecified" educational costs (that detail could not be teased out of the spreadsheet, since it is not broken down that way). Spending the money on unemployment benefits may or may not be the best use for that money, but I think there should have at least been a dialogue about the wisdom of using it. It might indeed be the best use of our taxpayer money, but nobody got to even discuss it. It was just used to pay for these things...AND THOSE USES WERE NOT WHAT THE "STIMULUS" WAS SOLD AS. Brain dead liberals think that pumping borrowed/printed money back into the hands of the unemployed so it can be used to pay bills actually STIMULATES an economy. (Ask Nancy Pelosi...SHE thinks it does, and has said so.) It doesn't, but people who believe in socialism think it does. And socialists are running the show now.

Many of us recognize that the stimulus was a bill of goods, being used primarily by many communities to cover shortfalls, and who could blame those communities for doing so. But the unimpeachable idiocy of declaring that this money was going to stimulate anything is apparent, and it is yet another instance of the dishonesty of the liberals (and so-called "conservatives") who not only supported this expenditure the first time around, but are now pushing for more money WE DON'T HAVE to be thrown down the rat-hole.

And I do mean "Rat-Hole".

And it is a UNION Rathole. Using MY money to pay for it.

21 posted on 09/13/2013 6:26:33 PM PDT by rlmorel (Silence: The New Hate Speech)
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To: NormsRevenge

On a related note...I have heard advertisements on the radio for Minuteman Healthcare here in Massachusetts. I don’t know for sure, but I will bet money that it is the same company handling the union healthcare in my post above.

I have never heard them advertise before. I’ll bet they see the gravy train going off the tracks soon, and are trying to change their song.


22 posted on 09/13/2013 6:28:32 PM PDT by rlmorel (Silence: The New Hate Speech)
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To: NormsRevenge

Help the Labor Unions, folks....DEFUND OBAMACARE....NOW, TODAY!!! Who knows....Obama might do anything. He might take your yax money and hand it over to his union buddies....or, he might just cancel Obamacare for one year for everyone, using the labor unions being upset as the reason!!! Obama is capable of doing anything that helps destroy the USA economy and American Republic!!!

So....sign & endorse the Lee/Cruz defund Obamacare petition!!!

(WWW.DONTFUNDOBAMACARE.COM)


23 posted on 09/13/2013 6:38:34 PM PDT by JLAGRAYFOX ( My only objective is to defeat and destroy Obama & his Democrat Party, politically!!!)
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To: rlmorel

The U.S. government, especially the WH, has lost all credibility, and in fact, any claims to our allegiance. I pray that its demise is hastened and replaced with a one which respects our Constitution as envisioned by the Founders. Nothing less is acceptable. Paraphrasing one of our Founders on the eve of the revolution, “The current government must be replaced—peacefully if we can, forcibly if we must.”


24 posted on 09/13/2013 6:43:47 PM PDT by huckfillary
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To: NormsRevenge
No subsidies....but plenty of exemptions.To the Communist unions that is (which are the huge majority of US unions).
25 posted on 09/13/2013 6:50:55 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (If Obama Had A City It Would Look Like Detroit)
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To: NormsRevenge

(WWW.DONTFUNDOBAMACARE.COM)

SIGN & ENDORSE.................TODAY


26 posted on 09/13/2013 6:56:11 PM PDT by JLAGRAYFOX ( My only objective is to defeat and destroy Obama & his Democrat Party, politically!!!)
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To: NormsRevenge

He left with a smile, although he didn’t get the Obamacare waiver, he did get his spirits picked up by the Queer Czar.


27 posted on 09/13/2013 7:12:45 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (Progressives when they fail blame others and do the same thing again expecting different results)
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To: NormsRevenge

Which means there will be subsidies...


28 posted on 09/13/2013 7:54:11 PM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: cripplecreek

Popcorn anyone?

He will hang himself with the unions if he doesn’t give in or the democrats will abandon him for their support.

Keep fiddling Nero.


29 posted on 09/13/2013 9:07:33 PM PDT by VRWCarea51
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To: NormsRevenge

They got a deal without a doubt.


30 posted on 09/14/2013 7:00:48 AM PDT by VRWC For Truth (Roberts has perverted the Constitution)
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