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ATF's latest confiscation program
wnd ^ | 25 July, 2013 | Jeff Knox

Posted on 07/26/2013 5:27:53 AM PDT by marktwain

One of the reasons gun owners tend to be completely opposed to the passage of any new gun laws – no matter how innocuous or reasonable seeming – is the erratic history of interpretation and enforcement of the current gun laws. This is also why I cringe every time I hear someone who supposedly supports gun rights – from politicians to the head of the NRA – calling for the feds to “enforce the laws already on the books.” The fact is, the gun laws that are already on the books are a labyrinth of confusion and booby-traps full of open-ended mandates, ambiguous definitions and unbridled bureaucratic discretion. Many innocent people have had their lives and livelihoods completely destroyed when federal agencies have decided to “enforce the laws already on the books.”

The law that was on the books up until 1981 said that a DIAS was just a chunk of metal unless it, along with at least three other “full-auto” parts, was actually installed in a gun without prior ATF approval. Then in 1981, ATF bureaucrats, at their own discretion and under their own authority, redefined them as machine guns, but in their decree, they included the following exception:

(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: banglist; batfe; confiscation; dias; donttreadonme; govtabuse; guncontrol; gunlaw; guns; tyranny; youwillnotdisarmus
The Ayn Rand quote applies quite well in this case. This is a pretty long article, with lots of detail.
1 posted on 07/26/2013 5:27:53 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

I’m growing more and more convinced that I will die at the hands of a Federal thug. This must’ve been what it was like to be a Jew in 1940s Germany.


2 posted on 07/26/2013 5:31:47 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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Welcome to the Gulag, comrade.


3 posted on 07/26/2013 5:37:28 AM PDT by Mouton (108th MI Group.....68-71)
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To: marktwain

Impeachment File on Benghazi Coward “B. Hussein Obama,” formerly known as Barry Soetoro, a Legal Citizen of the Sovereign Nation of Indonesia.


4 posted on 07/26/2013 5:42:54 AM PDT by Graewoulf (Traitor John Roberts' Commune-Style Obama'care' violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: rarestia
I’m growing more and more convinced that I will die at the hands of a Federal thug. This must’ve been what it was like to be a Jew in 1940s Germany.

Don't die in vain. Don't go alone, if you know what I mean.

5 posted on 07/26/2013 5:47:10 AM PDT by meyer (What would John Hancock do?)
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To: meyer

With all the archaic laws on the books in this country, the entire “library” needs to be done away with and replaced by very simply worded laws that eliminate the need for lawyers to interpret. Keep it a simple as possible, particularly since most of the nation will soon be too stupid to read and understand them anyway. You can thank the NEA for that.


6 posted on 07/26/2013 5:53:08 AM PDT by DaveA37 (I'm for SMALLER , HONEST government)
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To: marktwain
For those who are wondering:

DIAS = Drop In Auto Sear

Good video description: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdR7rEuLrvE

7 posted on 07/26/2013 6:20:24 AM PDT by Yo-Yo
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The part in that photo could easily be made by any toolmaker in 2 hrs or less.

The majority of them would have no idea what the part would be used for, or that it was illegal.

How the hell can a law like that make on the books?

8 posted on 07/26/2013 6:21:35 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: meyer

Don’t plan to, FRiend. I’m more sad that a more organized resistance can’t be mustered. I’m even waiting for State politicians to step up, but they’ve been largely mute.


9 posted on 07/26/2013 6:30:06 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: Yo-Yo

Wow. 15 to 20 grand for a legal DIAS? I think I’ll just go without.


10 posted on 07/26/2013 6:36:39 AM PDT by Ronald_Magnus
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To: Beagle8U

I’m pretty sure the lowlife, criminal-type (skilled) gangsta gun nuts out there would never consider making this item because it’s against the law.


11 posted on 07/26/2013 6:46:30 AM PDT by moovova
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To: marktwain

Looking to the post-BATF&E future, the Interstate Commerce Act does give the federal government authority to regulate transfers across international and state borders; however, states can also do so within their state.

This will mean that some states can limit machine guns and parts manufactured in their state, but other states may choose not to do so. This means that the legal argument for the second amendment becomes (as justice Thomas noted), a 14th Amendment argument, of (in a mirror of what is happening today), federal judges forbidding states from types of gun control as determined by the SCOTUS.

It is a good question whether federal judges would allow states to prevent manufacture of civilian machine guns or machine gun parts.


12 posted on 07/26/2013 7:10:45 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Be Brave! Fear is just the opposite of Nar!)
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The “substantial effects doctrine” of the New Deal interpretation of the Commerce Clause effectively destroyed any distinction between interstate and intrastate commerce. They consider anything they want to regulate “interstate commerce”, regardless of whether it’s bought or sold across state lines, or even bought or sold at all. It doesn’t even have to actually exist.


13 posted on 07/26/2013 7:17:05 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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Except the SCOTUS has, with the Obamacare decision, undermined the misinterpretations of the Interstate Commerce Clause, the General Welfare Clause (used by LBJ to create the welfare state), and the Necessary and Proper Clause.

It will take a while for the other shoe to drop, and will depend who the next POTUS is, and whether he appoints conservatives to replace liberals on the court.


14 posted on 07/26/2013 7:40:41 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Be Brave! Fear is just the opposite of Nar!)
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It will take a while for the other shoe to drop, and will depend who the next POTUS is, and whether he appoints conservatives to replace liberals on the court.

I had hopes during the Bush administration. When he was campaigning he professed to support an "original intent" interpretation of the Constitution. Then he send his AG and DOJ lawyers before the USSC to argue to uphold Wickard v Filburn in the Raisch case. It was disgusting.

15 posted on 07/26/2013 7:48:52 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Ronald_Magnus

That could be hammered out by hand with a few basic tools.


16 posted on 07/26/2013 8:05:28 AM PDT by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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If I paid 20k for that piece and it broke, I’d machine another (make it somehow) and add the serial number registered to me as close as possible to the original stamp font.


17 posted on 07/26/2013 8:26:17 AM PDT by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: rarestia

>> I’m growing more and more convinced that I will die at the hands of a Federal thug. <<

You’re not alone in those thoughts. I, and many others, are right there with you.

So be it.


18 posted on 07/30/2013 11:46:20 AM PDT by appalachian_dweller (Live each day as if it's your last. It might be.)
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To: meyer; rarestia

If they surprise you, retreat, regroup, and pick your place and time.


19 posted on 07/30/2013 11:48:20 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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I don’t have an adequate knowledge set to do so. If Federal thugs break down my door in the middle of the night, I’m going to fire back, and I’ll likely go down shooting as a result. To flee my own home is unconscionable.


20 posted on 07/30/2013 12:09:47 PM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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