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Feds tell Web firms to turn over user account passwords
Cnet ^ | 25 July, 2013 | Declan McCullagh

Posted on 07/25/2013 3:49:38 PM PDT by Errant

The U.S. government has demanded that major Internet companies divulge users' stored passwords, according to two industry sources familiar with these orders, which represent an escalation in surveillance techniques that has not previously been disclosed.

If the government is able to determine a person's password, which is typically stored in encrypted form, the credential could be used to log in to an account to peruse confidential correspondence or even impersonate the user. Obtaining it also would aid in deciphering encrypted devices in situations where passwords are reused.

"I've certainly seen them ask for passwords," said one Internet industry source who spoke on condition of anonymity. "We push back."

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government
KEYWORDS: benghazi; computers; cyber; fastandfurious; impeachnow; irs; loadurgunsboys; nsa; passwords; security
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To: Bobalu

Well, I dunno whether Putin would want to peek... at this point if he did peek it might just be for amusement purposes.


41 posted on 07/25/2013 4:23:36 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Whatever promise that God has made, in Jesus it is yes. See my page.)
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To: upchuck

If I had anything I wanted to protect, I’d never allow that data to ever be processed on any device that accessed the net. And any storage media used, that is no longer needed, physically destroyed.


42 posted on 07/25/2013 4:24:25 PM PDT by Errant
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To: upchuck
Vague reporting like that drives me crazy

Do the names Andrew Breitbart or Michael Hastings ring a bell?

43 posted on 07/25/2013 4:27:47 PM PDT by Errant
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To: Bobalu

It just occurred to me how useful it would be to them to simply change the passwords of people who they wanted to lock out of the internet. Do enough at the same time and a lot of dissent would come to a grinding halt.


44 posted on 07/25/2013 4:48:22 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: null and void
Seriously? You're going to let GOOGLE know you are trying to figure out how to avoid having the government spy on your every move?

Yeah, the irony of that statement huh? Still, a simple Google search for "Tor" or "anonymous internet browsing" leads you to the rest (absent Google.)

45 posted on 07/25/2013 4:52:19 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: usconservative

I’d rather not hang out with the child pornographers at Tor


46 posted on 07/25/2013 4:53:18 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: GeronL
I’d rather not hang out with the child pornographers at Tor.

Seriously?! Damn, now I have to find a different anonymous browsing mechanism .... certainly don't want to be associated with that!!

47 posted on 07/25/2013 4:56:18 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: taxcontrol

Send the Obama morons the cryptographic hash data and let them spend the next several years trying to reverse them. Nitwits.


48 posted on 07/25/2013 5:01:12 PM PDT by COBOL2Java (I'm a Christian, pro-life, pro-gun, Reaganite. The GOP hates me. Why should I vote for them?)
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To: BenLurkin; COUNTrecount; Nowhere Man; FightThePower!; C. Edmund Wright; jacob allen; ...

Nut-job Conspiracy Theory Ping!

To get onto The Nut-job Conspiracy Theory Ping List you must threaten to report me to the Mods if I don’t add you to the list...

49 posted on 07/25/2013 5:02:26 PM PDT by null and void (You don't know what "cutting edge" means till you insult Mohammed.)
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To: null and void

“Hmmmm, with your password, a government agent could use your account to establish a search history of any sort they may so desire.

In court they could make you look like any sort of monster that fits a narrative.”

If this is proven to be true, it sounds to me like “reasonable doubt” should not be very difficult to demonstrate to a jury. As a defense attorney, I would subpoena the government, and, of course, they won’t cooperate.

This should be interesting. What would have been a “tin foil hat” defense isn’t so funny now, is it?


50 posted on 07/25/2013 5:04:09 PM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: null and void

I guess the next step somewhere along the line is just opening up all our brains without anesthetic and fiddling around in there.

I wonder when millions of us will go Eygyptian on them.


51 posted on 07/25/2013 5:05:13 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: usconservative

I have been concerned that Tor is actually is an ingenious honey pot.


52 posted on 07/25/2013 5:05:17 PM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: Errant

I’m going to have to go through and change my passwords for every account in the next few days.

They’re not the same right now, but this is getting so ridiculous, that I’m going to be changing all my passwords on a regular basis.

This is so annoying!


53 posted on 07/25/2013 5:05:21 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Kill the bill... Begin enforcing our current laws, signed by President Ronald Reagan.)
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To: GeronL; usconservative
There are also decent people (probably more) who use Tor for positive reasons to hide there activities from oppressive regimes.

That said, you're risking everything by trusting ANY primary means of security against medium to major world power states. You'd better have a secondary, and even a secondary of the secondary means of protecting confidential information transmitted over the internet.

If you don't know what you're doing, don't do it. I'm speaking primarily for those in foreign lands engaged in what we consider here as normal activities (e.g., scheduling a Christian Bible study group meeting and etc.).

54 posted on 07/25/2013 5:07:05 PM PDT by Errant
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To: The Antiyuppie

I bet it is now. Anyone who thinks the FBI/NSA doesn’t know about and has infiltrated it is fooling themselves


55 posted on 07/25/2013 5:07:52 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: Errant

56 posted on 07/25/2013 5:08:58 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: COBOL2Java
Do you seriously think it would take "several years" given the raw computational power available available to the full might of the United States Government?

Are you absolutely certain that some clever Ph.D. hasn't come up with a method of breaking a hash code?

How about an Indian or Chinese H1-B? They're far smarter than any American, just ask any employer in Silicon Valley...

57 posted on 07/25/2013 5:09:35 PM PDT by null and void (You don't know what "cutting edge" means till you insult Mohammed.)
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To: Errant

bump


58 posted on 07/25/2013 5:09:42 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: Bobalu

You are oh so correct. Good post.


59 posted on 07/25/2013 5:10:21 PM PDT by Hostage (Be Breitbart!)
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To: DoughtyOne

This doesn’t do any good. the passwords used by MOST systems are just “gates”...the data behind the gates isn’t encrypted.


60 posted on 07/25/2013 5:11:15 PM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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