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PRUDEN: George Zimmerman trial: A bitter lesson in the law
The Washington Times ^ | 16 July 2013 | Wes Pruden

Posted on 07/16/2013 5:10:10 AM PDT by COBOL2Java

The prosecutors of George Zimmerman need a refresher course in criminal law. If you’re a prosecutor and you believe you are putting an evil-doer away, first you have to convict him. This means proving he’s an evil-doer by proving who did the evil act.

That’s not always easy, as we saw last week in Florida. Even an assistant professor of criminal law at the Bald Knob University of Law, Floral Arranging and Mortuary Science could have told the Zimmerman prosecutors there are no slam dunks in murder trials.

Once a case goes to a jury of independent minds with nothing on those minds but the evidence before them, all bets are off. Juries duly instructed can do anything they please with the evidence, and the wonder and beauty of the system is that jurors with so much license invariably take their responsibilities very, very seriously. They’re determined to do the right thing by the law.

Jude M. Faccidomo, a former president of the Florida Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers, tells the Miami Herald that he thinks the Zimmerman jury clearly believed the right to self-defense applied in this case. “Especially when cases are so gray, like this one was, self-defense really resonates because people can associate with being afraid.” This is what laymen have concluded, too.

Lawyers across the land, with a criminal practice or not, will study this one for a long time. Why was the six-person jury — its members’ identities still kept secret — not more racially diverse? Florida is a surviving melting pot, with newly minted citizens from dozens of nations to choose juries from, and an all-white, all-black or all-Hispanic jury is an anomaly in the counties of central and south Florida.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: pruden; trayvon; zimmerman
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1 posted on 07/16/2013 5:10:10 AM PDT by COBOL2Java
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To: COBOL2Java
The prosecutors of George Zimmerman need a refresher course in criminal law.

no...not if they are leftist, this is their plan....keep throwing the turd against the wall till it sticks. and when that fails, get the USAG to try him on violating ‘skittles’ civil rights.

2 posted on 07/16/2013 5:13:44 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Vaquero

The government is now the enemy of law abiding citizens. This case made that abundantly clear.


3 posted on 07/16/2013 5:24:31 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: COBOL2Java
“Especially when cases are so gray, like this one was,

The only 'gray' thing about this case was the grimy prosecutors.

Responsible member of community sees suspicious character & reports it. Gangsta boy ambushes him, responsible member stops assault with firearm.

In a nutshell, Zimmerman got his justice when he was acquitted, and Trayvon got HIS 'justice' when Zimmerman pulled the trigger.

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What gets me is the idolization by the progs of a thieving, drugged up punk.

4 posted on 07/16/2013 5:25:17 AM PDT by MamaTexan (I am a Person as defined by the Law of Nature, not a 'person' as defined by the laws of Man)
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To: MamaTexan

I truly don’t understand what happened to all this “evidence” before the trial go under way. Seriously, why wasn’t all of this admitted to the case, as it seem very supporting to the story. Instead we get the media version - good clean kid getting shot by a mean latino. But just the opposite comes into focus when the smoke clears. Shouldn’t someone be held accountable for this mess. Maybe all these gray areas kept me in accounting for so long, black and white concrete answers.


5 posted on 07/16/2013 5:33:37 AM PDT by Cyclone59 (I wish people would get their heads out of their butts and their noses out of everyones business)
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To: Vaquero

We always hear that color shouldn’t matter...and that consevatives always consider color in their life...and we are big meanies. This is not the case at all. Conservatives see character. My point is, the political left is the only group bringing up identity politics.....The Jury didn’t have enough black people.....Hispanics can’t get ID for voter laws.....we don’t have enough women engineers....etc.

Whether or not any of this is true is completely beside the point. There is no structure or system in place in this country that prevents anyone from doing anything they want to do. Black people weren’t on Z’s jury because that’s the way it went. It’s not a conspiracy. Most of my grade school teachers were asians. That’s the way it went...no big deal. Get it?

In any case, here’s my statement: If you believe the jury acted irresponsibly or made the wrong call, then justify your position with an argument. Talking about the make-up of the jury as if yu are on some high-minded cerebral plain makes you look like a complete idiot. In other words, don’t see color, see the facts!!! Isn’t that what you want? It’s certainly what I want.

By the way, why do minorites have so much trouble getting photo ID? I personaly think it’s insulting to think something like that let alone say something like that in polite company but, it’s apparently what liberals believe.


6 posted on 07/16/2013 5:34:09 AM PDT by Mustangman (The GOP)
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To: Red in Blue PA
The government is now the enemy of law abiding citizens. This case made that abundantly clear.

without a doubt...me must remember what(often credited to) Jefferson said “The price of liberty is eternal vigilance.”

keep your powder dry.

7 posted on 07/16/2013 5:37:21 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: COBOL2Java

Is it only me, or does anyone else NOT remember the Washington Post, Washington Times, LA Times, NY Times, Newsweek, Time, Boston Globe, ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN or any other typical media outlet putting out all of these articles about a miscarriage of justice when OJ Simpson was acquitted of the murder of Nicole Brown-Simpson and Ron Goldman?

Simpson was guilty 100% beyond any reasonable shadow of doubt. A blood trail went from the murder scene, stopped where a car would have been entered, and resumed where a car was parked into a residence, with blood all over the inside of the vehicle leading from the car to the door of the residence.

And it was discounted because the defense put Mark Fuhrman on trial instead of the prosecution putting OJ on trial. Their idea of “reasonable doubt” was to create a racist cop who had a hangup about black men and white women who planted a glove and blood evidence.

If the prosecution in the Zimmerman case could have gotten away with figuring out how to impanel a bunch of dumb-ass racist jurors (as the defense did in the Simpson trial) they would have convinced them that Zimmerman shot Martin in the back as he fled in terror for his life, then broke his own nose and split the back of his own head on the ground.

You can count on it. Well, they just didn’t have Johnny Cochrane running their case, may that son of a bitch rot in Hell, which I am certain he is.


8 posted on 07/16/2013 5:40:30 AM PDT by rlmorel (Silence: The New Hate Speech)
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To: Cyclone59; MamaTexan

I don’t watch television, but I can’t help but see it when I walk by (my wife has it on all the time)

Yesterday, on one of those “Good Morning” crap shows, they were showing pictures of a smiling Trayvon, sitting on a horse, and some other typical pictures.

Made my blood boil. Typical.


9 posted on 07/16/2013 5:43:24 AM PDT by rlmorel (Silence: The New Hate Speech)
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To: MamaTexan
What gets me is the idolization by the progs of a thieving, drugged up punk.

To the progs, he symbolizes what they desire to do to everyone in the country - force them to comply and punish/exterminate those that resist.

They really got upset about Zim "getting away with" defending himself from thuggery,
because if we "allow" this, some people might get it in their heads to resist the thuggery of the progs.

10 posted on 07/16/2013 5:45:55 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Mustangman
By the way, why do minorites have so much trouble getting photo ID? I personaly think it’s insulting to think something like that let alone say something like that in polite company but, it’s apparently what liberals believe.

I have a fairly intelligent mother in law(not a minority) who does not have a photo id, and the thought of going out and getting one is more than daunting to her, being that(I assume) she has some form of agoraphobia. That being said, most people have some form of photo ID, and there should be no reason not to get one.

11 posted on 07/16/2013 5:46:38 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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12 posted on 07/16/2013 5:47:30 AM PDT by JoeProBono (Mille vocibus imago valet;-{)
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To: Cyclone59

Everytime the defense brought anything up, the judge said it was prejudicial. No sh!t? It’s how the little punk decided to live.


13 posted on 07/16/2013 5:53:29 AM PDT by showme_the_Glory (ILLEGAL: prohibited by law. ALIEN: Owing political allegiance to another country or government)
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To: Cyclone59
I truly don’t understand what happened to all this “evidence” before the trial go under way. Seriously, why wasn’t all of this admitted to the case, as it seem very supporting to the story.

As frequently happens, the "judge" was trying for a directed "Guilty" verdict so she suppressed a lot of exculpatory evidence, while refusing to sanction the prosecution for doing the same. Defense had to overcome a lot of hurdles to get this verdict despite the roadblocks thrown up by the prosecution team, which included the "judge."

I'm hoping the hearings on the sanctions against the prosecution and judge move forward and are not declared moot because of the verdict. These bastids need to pay.

14 posted on 07/16/2013 5:54:48 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
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To: rlmorel
Is it only me, or does anyone else NOT remember the Washington Post, Washington Times, LA Times, NY Times, Newsweek, Time, Boston Globe, ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN or any other typical media outlet putting out all of these articles about a miscarriage of justice when OJ Simpson was acquitted...?

I could be dead wrong, but I'm fairly confident that the Washington Times was not part of that group. They've always been very conservative. Wesley Pruden, who wrote the article that we're commenting on, was the editor of the Times.

15 posted on 07/16/2013 5:55:36 AM PDT by ottbmare (The OTTB Mare--now a Marine Mom)
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To: Vaquero
I posted this response to another thread but I suppose that this part is applicable to this thread.

We have now descended into mob rule as evidenced by the George Zimmerman case. His eventual acquittal cannot undo the damage done. The damage done, you ask? The two highest officials, no make it three in State Government, Officials who had sworn an oath to protect and defend the Constitution. The Constitution which protects the citizens from the Government. Gave into mob rule. they first fired and replaced the honest Officials who had applied the facts of the case to the law and seen that the facts indicated that no law had been violated. These Officials were removed from Office and replaced with those who would follow orders. That alone was bad in itself, in my opinion. But what is worse, some are saying that Republicans must vote for Scott again, with it implied that one must also vote for Bondi. They insert, "What are you going to do, vote for the Democrat?" I would expect this type of mob pandering from a Democrat, but not a Republican.

16 posted on 07/16/2013 5:56:54 AM PDT by sport
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To: Cyclone59
I truly don’t understand what happened to all this “evidence” before the trial go under way.

Trayvon's phone held a lot of his activity, but was disallowed by the sorry excuse for a judge.

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Shouldn’t someone be held accountable for this mess.

Zimmerman's attorneys are going after the network for their 'editing' of the initial tape. THAT, IMHO, started the racist meme going...and it really doesn't take much to set these people off.

17 posted on 07/16/2013 5:57:20 AM PDT by MamaTexan (I am a Person as defined by the Law of Nature, not a 'person' as defined by the laws of Man)
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To: COBOL2Java

“Why was the six-person jury — its members’ identities still kept secret — not more racially diverse?”

Maybe because there were only about a dozen black people in the US who weren’t ready to convict Zimmerman before the trial began?


18 posted on 07/16/2013 5:58:59 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: sport
I too will add something I posted from a previous thread.

‘I would like to thank the RINO elder Bush for indicting the officers (for violating civil rights)who had been acquitted for the Rodney King beat down. He set a precedent for thumbing his nose to our double jeopardy laws( the Fifth Amendment ) and giving Holder the impetus to indict Zimmerman.

Stay Out The BUSHES!’

19 posted on 07/16/2013 6:02:15 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: MrB
force them to comply and punish/exterminate those that resist.

and continually whip up people of less rational mindest into a constant state of fear. I had a neighbor freak out a couple of years back because she saw some guy walking down our [very] rural road with a gun over his shoulder...during bird season.

She was shaky, and I asked how he carried it, if it looked like it was broken in half & she said yes. I asked if he pointed it at her, and she said no. So what's the problem? I said. He had a GUN! She told me.

I almost fell over from the rays emanating from her stupidity.

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because if we "allow" this, some people might get it in their heads to resist the thuggery of the progs.

Bingo! Resist the 'authority' of the state and suffer the consequences.

Sorry, but that dog won't hunt. :-)

20 posted on 07/16/2013 6:04:24 AM PDT by MamaTexan (I am a Person as defined by the Law of Nature, not a 'person' as defined by the laws of Man)
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