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Becerra: House Immigration Reform Bill "Includes a Pathway to Citizenship"
ABC ^ | 17-12-2013 | JORDAN FABIAN

Posted on 07/13/2013 4:49:50 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

"The bipartisan group is working on approval of this measure, which will touch upon all necessary aspects to deliver a healthy, sensible and comprehensive immigration reform," Rep. Xavier Becerra (D-Calif.) said in a Spanish-language interview that will air on Univision's Al Punto. "I'm telling you directly, it includes a pathway to citizenship."

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Becerra is a Dem, and maybe Dems have their own immigration bills. If the article is accurate, One would think that his bill would never be brought to the floor (Hastert Rule).

Not so fsst! Becerra's "Gang of 7" includes 3 GOP House members: John Carter (TX), Mario Diaz-Balart (FL), and Sam Johnson (TX). Now let's give those three the benefit of the doubt for a moment, and say they Becerra's statement was based on a misunderstanding, and they are not going to vote for such a thing. In that case, they should not want to be in a group which includea an irresponsible Becerra shooting off his mouth.

1 posted on 07/13/2013 4:49:50 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas
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To: sickoflibs; Perdogg; Gilbo_3; NFHale; Impy; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; kabar; Lakeshark; ...

House path-to-citizenship ping.


2 posted on 07/13/2013 4:55:41 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Fool me once, shame on you -- twice, shame on me -- 100 times, it's U. S. immigration policy.)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

“Are they going to advocate for what’s best for the country or what’s best for their party?” he asked. “If [so], we’ll have immigration reform. If they decide to do what some anti-immigrant Republicans are asking, then we’ll have to restart the tussle.”

Thi9s is rich! When was the last time the democrats advocated for what was best for America? Why don’t the dems give these people a path to citizenship to the only countries they hold allegiance to, Mexico, Guatemala, San Salvador,Honduras...


3 posted on 07/13/2013 5:00:43 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: FlingWingFlyer; Christie at the beach; dennisw; ScottinVA; amnestynone; grania; Buckeye McFrog; ...

House path-to-citizenship ping.


4 posted on 07/13/2013 5:05:12 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Fool me once, shame on you -- twice, shame on me -- 100 times, it's U. S. immigration policy.)
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To: Mastador1
Are they going to advocate for what’s best for the country

Sounds like GWB. If you opposed amnesty in 2007 you didn't want to do "what's best for the country."

5 posted on 07/13/2013 5:07:49 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Fool me once, shame on you -- twice, shame on me -- 100 times, it's U. S. immigration policy.)
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To: Mastador1
Enough with the "anti-immigrant" lie. Stand for RULE OF LAW.

Where's the fence?

Enforce Existing Law

6 posted on 07/13/2013 5:07:58 PM PDT by Ray76 (Do you reject Obama? And all his works? And all his empty promises?)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

As long as the path for illegals includes a jump over a high barbed wire fence and a walk through a minefield, I’m all for that path. The new hires for our border patrol should have had some East German border guard background or at least be trained in the same methods.


7 posted on 07/13/2013 5:11:53 PM PDT by RicocheT (Where neither their property nor their honor is touched, most men live content, Niccolo Machiavelli)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas
The feral government is already not enforcing current immigration law.

Why do we need to give them another law to cherry-pick and selectively enforce?

8 posted on 07/13/2013 5:15:01 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Blacks consider crime to be a legitimate career path, and armed victims to be an OSHA violation.)
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To: Ray76

Exactly, secure the border first, then deal with the illegals in the country. My feeling is that if they were young children with no choice in being brought to America, give them a path to citizenship. As for those who knowingly violated our laws and Sovereignty, NO CITIZENSHIP EVER! Let them have Resident Alien Status but no right to vote.


9 posted on 07/13/2013 5:15:24 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

Of the people who reside here illegally, it is being generous to allow them to stay and to enjoy the benefits we allow them to have. But we DO NOT OWE THEM CITIZENSHIP. Indeed it is a GRAVE MISTAKE to give it out so cheaply.


10 posted on 07/13/2013 5:19:16 PM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: Mastador1

Deport on contact with LEO.


11 posted on 07/13/2013 5:19:46 PM PDT by Ray76 (Do you reject Obama? And all his works? And all his empty promises?)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

treason IMO


12 posted on 07/13/2013 5:23:54 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: Mastador1; Ray76
Exactly, secure the border first, then deal with the illegals in the country. My feeling is that if they were young children with no choice in being brought to America, give them a path to citizenship. As for those who knowingly violated our laws and Sovereignty, NO CITIZENSHIP EVER!

The trouble with that plan is that if you give those brought here as children citizenship, they will apply for citizenship for their families, including " those who knowingly violated our laws and Sovereignty."

How about just legal status for the first group. But even then it's diabolically tricky. Dems and cowardly Rs are unlikely to vote for a bill that excludes those who came here as children but became criminals.

13 posted on 07/13/2013 5:26:00 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Fool me once, shame on you -- twice, shame on me -- 100 times, it's U. S. immigration policy.)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

If 11 million ( or 20, or 30 million) of these illegals will improve the economy so much, let’s send them back so they can improve the economy in central and south America!!!!


14 posted on 07/13/2013 5:26:07 PM PDT by Forrestfire (("To educate a man in mind and not in morals is to educate a menace to society." Theodore Roosevelt))
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

Let’s send these 11 million Mack to Mexico so they can improve the Mexican economy!!


15 posted on 07/13/2013 5:26:07 PM PDT by Forrestfire (("To educate a man in mind and not in morals is to educate a menace to society." Theodore Roosevelt))
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

Oh look! More Lesser evil!

Well that’s ok. Half of ‘conservatives will immediately demand we support this since they so love lesser evil. And will call us traitorous drunks and other wonderful things if we dare complain.

Because they want it. They must since every time someone mentions not supporting the GOP and ensuring more of it, they fly out of the woodwork screaming. See many FR threads for proof.


16 posted on 07/13/2013 5:28:45 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Norm Lenhart
You speak of these people?


17 posted on 07/13/2013 5:34:34 PM PDT by Ray76 (Do you reject Obama? And all his works? And all his empty promises?)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

Thanks so much for the ping.
These b#stards can’t help themselves.
Blast away on the phones and email.
Our Republic is dependent upon us.


18 posted on 07/13/2013 5:38:13 PM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas
Remember the citizenship discussion is a side show, a distraction. Amnesty is the right to remain, it has nothing to do with citizenship. The problems with all proposed reforms is not just the amnesty, but massive increase in legal immigration.

The size and scope of legal immigration is just as big a problem as the size and scope of illegal immigration.

Along with building a proper fence (like Israel did) real reform starts with a return to pre-1965 immigration.

19 posted on 07/13/2013 5:40:24 PM PDT by evilC
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To: Mastador1
,,,,if they were young children with no choice in being brought to America, give them a pathway to citizenship

Wrong answer. Since when do children get rewarded by keeping what their parents steal for them? Deport them, never to return to the US again, unless they get in line from their homelands, their opportunities come up AND they pay back every damn cent of benefits including education their parents stole for them.

How can they start a pathway to citizenship based on their parents being invaders? They should hang their heads in shame.

20 posted on 07/13/2013 5:41:50 PM PDT by grania
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To: onyx

Becerra might be lying or nuts. We’ll see when they start voting.


21 posted on 07/13/2013 5:42:42 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Fool me once, shame on you -- twice, shame on me -- 100 times, it's U. S. immigration policy.)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

All they want is the ability to tax the illegals. They really could care less about them.


22 posted on 07/13/2013 5:45:03 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

The Democrat-Republican Party wants this. They will employ whatever theater needed to trick their gullible fellow Congress members and lie to the public about the best deal they could get. How about no deals? How about no bill? How about enforcing existing law?

Where’s the fence?


23 posted on 07/13/2013 5:47:52 PM PDT by Ray76 (Do you reject Obama? And all his works? And all his empty promises?)
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To: grania

Deport all illegal aliens and their spawn. First seize all their assets.


24 posted on 07/13/2013 5:47:58 PM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: evilC
Amnesty is the right to remain, it has nothing to do with citizenship.

Citizenship cannot happen without the right to be here.

The size and scope of legal immigration is just as big a problem as the size and scope of illegal immigration.

Therefore "comprehensive immigration reform" would make the problem twice as bad.

25 posted on 07/13/2013 5:48:09 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Fool me once, shame on you -- twice, shame on me -- 100 times, it's U. S. immigration policy.)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas
Becerra might be lying or nuts. We’ll see when they start voting.

Right. He's a documented liar.

26 posted on 07/13/2013 5:49:48 PM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: onyx

You couldn’t be more right, sister Onyx. They can’t help themselves and we can not sit on our hands this round. We either get involved or we lose the Republic and become a socialist, centralized single state monstrosity. It will happen without the intervention of patriots.

First, we must acknowledge that controlling access to the nation is the first step that must be taken before any other issues are even discussed. Absolute control of the border, the coasts, the airports, and the visa system is a prerequisite to even having any other discussion.

Next, we must acknowledge that there are times when allowing additional immigrants makes sense, and there are times when it doesn’t. In the midst of terrible unemployment and economic times is hardly the time to bring in boatloads of serfs from socialist states to take up the available jobs and drive down wages.

Finally, we must admit that the power elite in corporatist coalitions with politicians are NOT FRIENDS OF CONSERVATIVES. We’ve got to stop carrying their water and voting their way. We either take back the GOP or we do as Palin suggests might be necessary and go our own way.

We are the independent, free citizens of America who are determined to conserve both moral and Constitutional values and processes crucial to maintaining our exceptional, God-blessed United States of America.


27 posted on 07/13/2013 5:50:20 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: justa-hairyape
All they want is the ability to tax the illegals.

"They?" Dems want them to vote, to create a leftist one party system.

28 posted on 07/13/2013 5:51:05 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Fool me once, shame on you -- twice, shame on me -- 100 times, it's U. S. immigration policy.)
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To: Ray76

We don’t need an immigration law! Just enforce the laws that are on the books.Stupid RInos.


29 posted on 07/13/2013 6:00:03 PM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

*shakes head* No pathway without enforcement, fence, and money allocated up front. These things need to be in play for five years before I would start anything else..


30 posted on 07/13/2013 6:09:11 PM PDT by cardinal4 (Skip impeachment and move straight to deportation..)
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To: Ray76

Yup. You see them here all the time. Since Romney went down in flames, they are doing their best to ensure that we get another just like him. Rather than some evil ‘purist’ with principles.

And for any who would deny it, a simple search on the word ‘purist’ will return many instances of ‘conservatives still chanting the mantra of ‘reform from within’ and other decades worn crap that ensures the GOP remains in power.

Because logic dictates the GOP has to continue as a viable entity in order to ‘change it’. And that logically means that we stay on the plantation and empower them because someday, REAL SOON NOW!!! they will embrace the people they have spent 20 years crapping allover and miraculously listen to us.

Yup. Real soon now. Perhaps tomorrow!


31 posted on 07/13/2013 6:09:23 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas
Democrats are willing to accept tougher border security measures than exist under current law...

...because, one suspects, that they know that they will never, ever (EVER) be enforced; and additionally that the illegal aliens-turned-residents will be voting by 2014, and...

... one also suspects, so will all their friends and relatives abroad, and who might just be currently packing.

.

32 posted on 07/13/2013 6:26:39 PM PDT by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: Norm Lenhart

Willard was tougher on illegal alien “reform” than are many of the current, and alleged GOPers in either house of congress. At least Willard said fence first, then discuss “reforms”.


33 posted on 07/13/2013 6:28:48 PM PDT by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

The HEB billionaire owns the TX GOP !
How can a GOP run House committee have only 3 Gopers and 4 dems ?

Is this one of those scam Dem committees that is bs ?


34 posted on 07/13/2013 6:28:50 PM PDT by ncalburt (Amnesty media out in full force)
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To: Seaplaner

Yup. He probably discussed it with the illegals he got caught with in his home employ. So I really believe him on immigration. Really...


35 posted on 07/13/2013 6:30:17 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: theBuckwheat

We don’t owe them the privilege to stay and work here, i.e., amnesty. Citizenship is just the cherry on top.


36 posted on 07/13/2013 6:44:31 PM PDT by kabar
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To: justa-hairyape

No, what the Reps want is an increased guest worker program that is being demanded by their corporate paymasters. The GOP will offer amnesty as a concession to get it.


37 posted on 07/13/2013 6:46:38 PM PDT by kabar
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To: ncalburt
The HEB billionaire owns the TX GOP ! How can a GOP run House committee have only 3 Gopers and 4 dems ? Is this one of those scam Dem committees that is bs ?

Not an official committee. It's like the House version of the senate Gang of 8, but Labrador quit, so now it's 7.

38 posted on 07/13/2013 7:03:57 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Fool me once, shame on you -- twice, shame on me -- 100 times, it's U. S. immigration policy.)
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To: ncalburt
How can a GOP run House committee have only 3 Gopers and 4 dems ?

It's the House's version of The Gang of Eight, not an actual House committee.

But it's only a Gang of Seven now, since Cong. Raul Labrador (R-ID) has withdrawn from the group.

39 posted on 07/13/2013 7:16:35 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

Thanks


40 posted on 07/13/2013 7:27:33 PM PDT by ncalburt (Amnesty media out in full force)
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To: okie01

Lord
Those TX GOP reps need to be removed


41 posted on 07/13/2013 7:28:22 PM PDT by ncalburt (Amnesty media out in full force)
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To: okie01; onyx
It's the House's version of The Gang of Eight, not an actual House committee. But it's only a Gang of Seven now, since Cong. Raul Labrador (R-ID) has withdrawn from the group.

Correct. Either Becerra is lying about the path-to-citizenship or he is not.

Case 1: It's true the Gang of 7 is working toward a path-to-citizenship. In that case, it contradicts John Carter's website, which says he wants an immigration bill without a path-to-citizenship.

Case 2: Becerra is lying. Why would 3 GOP congressmen want to be associated with a liar?

42 posted on 07/13/2013 7:29:05 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Fool me once, shame on you -- twice, shame on me -- 100 times, it's U. S. immigration policy.)
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To: Mastador1

I would replace chain immigration (all the family can enter, once an illegal alien successfully produces an child while in the US) with chain deportation. Send the US born children of illegal aliens back to their parent’s home country.

That way the US born children of the illegal alien would no longer be subject to the jurisdiction of the US, and then not required to be given US citizenship.

We can’t do that now, because once the House passes any bill, the Senate can mark it up, and it is subject to being changed to evil, and is more likely to be passed as an evil bill in House-Senate conference committee.


43 posted on 07/13/2013 7:48:25 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: kabar

Amnesty is when we don’t jail them before we fine and expel them.

Getting to stay is a positive benefit that should not be extended to law breakers.


44 posted on 07/13/2013 7:50:34 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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RE:”House path-to-citizenship ping.”

This plus some of the other threads we shared this week tell me that the House bill version of the above will be limited to kids brought here and who grew up here.
That other thread (you pinged us to) saying this didn't surprise me.

This will make it much more attractive to Republicans to vote for/support, or alternatively harder to fight, the compassion card.

Unfortunately the vast majority of that group would vote Dem (if such a bill gets to law) and they will give Obama most of the credit for it.
Hypothetically Rubio might be able to draw some of their votes for his part if he was the nominee, but at what price? I mean what else would he have to promise to give them?

45 posted on 07/13/2013 8:00:05 PM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

And the cave-in begins.


46 posted on 07/13/2013 8:17:53 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: sickoflibs; stephenjohnbanker; Gilbo_3; NFHale; Impy; Liz; Clintonfatigued; DoughtyOne
Unfortunately the vast majority of that group would vote Dem (if such a bill gets to law) and they will give Obama most of the credit for it.

Assuming it contains a path-to-citzenship. I am hoping that none of them gets citizenship. Otherwise the not-so-innocent parents who brought them here will get citizenship too, via family immigration.

47 posted on 07/13/2013 8:27:43 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Fool me once, shame on you -- twice, shame on me -- 100 times, it's U. S. immigration policy.)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas
"They?" Dems want them to vote, to create a leftist one party system.

A one party system that is bankrupt is worthless. But yes, they also want them to vote. RINO/DINO ? What difference does it make ?

48 posted on 07/13/2013 8:42:04 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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RE “Assuming it contains a path-to-citzenship. I am hoping that none of them gets citizenship. Otherwise the not-so-innocent parents who brought them here will get citizenship too, via family immigration.”

That a flaw in the current immigration law that might be extended to amnesty recips as it was to immigrants under Reagan.

It reminds me :

I posted this idea before: but if children brought here by parent illegals are such victims that we must give them a pass on some sort of amnesty, because it otherwise would be heartless or hateful(this is a popular belief) , then the law needs to make it a felony for adults even parents to bring or keep (visas) minors here who are illegal in the first place. Stop creating these victim kids.

But you see the compassion card is playing again.
We cant do that. Those parents or older family members only break the immigration law to bring kids here because they want a better life for their kids, school, career, etc, they believe in the American Dream. We all want our kids to have that. They are the type of people we want here.

Tears shedding..

49 posted on 07/13/2013 8:55:33 PM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: justa-hairyape
A one party system that is bankrupt is worthless

They think a leftist party/government would be Utopia. "Big Rock Candy Mountains" lyrics:

There ain't no short-handled shovels, No axes, saws nor picks, I'm bound to stay Where you sleep all day, Where they hung the jerk That invented work In the Big Rock Candy Mountains ...

50 posted on 07/13/2013 9:01:26 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Fool me once, shame on you -- twice, shame on me -- 100 times, it's U. S. immigration policy.)
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