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10 Takeaways From The Senate Immigration Fiasco
townhall.com ^ | 6-29-13 | Hugh Hewitt

Posted on 06/30/2013 6:11:58 AM PDT by TurboZamboni

It was a fiasco — the worst possible result: A terribly flawed bill that, of all the GOP’s Senate superstars, only Marco Rubio could support. All the other rising stars — Ted Cruz, Rand Paul and John Thune — voted “no,” as did Leader McConnell and Whip Cornyn. Worse yet, the jam down created a toxic environment around immigration reform, greatly complicating if not dooming the effort in the House for this session.

How much of a fiasco? Read my interview from Wednesday with a very good guy and a serious conservative, Senator John Hoeven of North Dakota. It is pretty clear he got terrible advice on how statutes actually work when interpreted by the courts, and worse advice on what the fence meant to border security conservatives.

(Excerpt) Read more at townhall.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: amnesty; fiasco; senate

1 posted on 06/30/2013 6:11:58 AM PDT by TurboZamboni
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To: TurboZamboni

“The humanitarian issue is real and pressing — Catholics, evangelicals and other people of faith are pressing for relief for the millions of honest, hard-working illegal immigrants living in fear of deportation and separation from their families.”

This is some use of the word “honest” that I’m not familiar with. They broke the law coming here. They continue to break the law staying here. They break the law working here. They break the law getting on “benefits” which are supposed to be for citizens. I am glad they live in fear of deportation. But I expect they don’t really. How many have been deported? We can’t even deport sex offenders and chronic alcoholics who have killed innocent citizens.


2 posted on 06/30/2013 6:18:06 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: TurboZamboni
Almost everybody in the GOP still loves Rubio, but many disagree with him on this key issue.

The article is a waste of time. The only take away necessary is for GOP to observe Obama's reward for his big victory-- no benefit to his poll numbers even with media hype about "bipartisanship" and all.

3 posted on 06/30/2013 6:20:41 AM PDT by gusopol3
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To: TurboZamboni

Somehow Rubio is still a star according to this article.


4 posted on 06/30/2013 6:21:29 AM PDT by rocksblues (The Obama administration the most unlawful, corrupt administration in US history.)
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"Almost everybody in the GOP still loves Rubio, but many disagree with him on this key issue. Big deal. Recall that W had the same issue with things like ports and immigration reform but never lost the GOP base."

That may have been true then, but won't hold into the future.

5 posted on 06/30/2013 6:22:06 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: TurboZamboni
It is pretty clear he got terrible advice on how statutes actually work when interpreted by the courts, and worse advice on what the fence meant to border security conservatives.

Hewett is spinning away the fiasco he helped promote. It is the job of a Senator to understand what they have authored. If they don't, time for that Senator to go and get one who does.

6 posted on 06/30/2013 6:23:36 AM PDT by dirtboy
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conservative Hoeven? he got terrible advice on how statutes actually work when interpreted by the courts, and worse advice on what the fence meant?

NO! He is a RINO and a traitor to his country. He is beyond stupid to take bad advice against a flood of “NO”s from constituents and true Conservatives.

And for all the NSA trolls, FU.


7 posted on 06/30/2013 6:25:51 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: TurboZamboni

People in ND choose some of the worst senators ever.


8 posted on 06/30/2013 6:32:12 AM PDT by Theodore R. ("Hey, the American people must all be crazy out there!")
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To: TurboZamboni
Senator Marco Rubio remains a GOP superstar who will be in much demand in 2014 and a very serious contender for the GOP presidential nomination if he chooses to be.

Maybe partly true, he'll be a superstar and a Presidential candidate the same way McCain was, and then he'll go down in flames. Right now his best hope is switching parties where the MSM will embrace him as someone who "...stood up to the extremist right wing." but who "...realized the GOP had become far too conservative for him." . If that's his plan, he should check out how it worked for Arlen Spector.

9 posted on 06/30/2013 6:32:45 AM PDT by YankeeReb
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To: TurboZamboni
I'm sorry. I don't care what Hugh Hewitt has said or done in the past with respect to conservatism, but his 10 takeaways are largely tripe crap.

Appeasing misguided tripe all the way from "the need for reform is enormous…" (#1);

to "…honest, hardworking illegal immigrants…." [how can one be an illegal and 'honest' at the same time] (#2);

to "blah, blah, blah fence….. (#4); to "Senator Marco Rubio remains a GOP superstar who will be in much demand [by devious Dems and RINO Republicans] (6);

to (#10) for assuming that a 'reform' of existing laws that have been purposefully ignored and actively subverted by our corrupt government need 'reform' in the first place is infantile – they NEED enforcement and real punishment for violators all.

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10 posted on 06/30/2013 6:35:08 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Paladin2
"Almost everybody in the GOP still loves Rubio, but many disagree with him on this key issue. Big deal. Recall that W had the same issue with things like ports and immigration reform but never lost the GOP base."

He didn't totally lose the base because he was seen as the lesser of 2 evils. His second term was a disaster and he paved the way for "The W0n". In fact, W and McCain probably did as much damage to the R brand as BH0.

11 posted on 06/30/2013 6:36:05 AM PDT by YankeeReb
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To: TurboZamboni
Catholics, evangelicals and other people of faith are pressing for relief for the millions of honest, hard-working illegal immigrants living in fear of deportation and separation from their families.”

What a complete contortion of a sentence. How can one be "honest" while being a criminal, illegal immigrant?

For the record, I'm one of those evangelicals being referred to. No, I'm NOT pressing for "relief" for criminal, illegal aliens who violated our country's laws when they illegally crossed our borders, entered our country, and are now a burden on our social-welfare systems.

If anything, this evangelical wants them to GO BACK to where they belong and stop breaking our laws!

This is far less a "relief" issue and much more a NATIONAL SECURITY ISSUE guised in Illegal Immigration. If this country doesn't protect and defend its borders we're subject to terrorist attack. Period.

12 posted on 06/30/2013 6:39:04 AM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: Gen.Blather
Does Leviticus 19:33 address – let alone endorse – "comprehensive immigration reform?" Not by the most lenient interpretive standard. It commands empathy, "love" for the "other," for gentiles, asserting humanity's oneness and God's omnipotence. It commands us to treat the "other" kindly, the stranger residing temporarily and lawfully among us. It commands nothing more.

Utilizing this passage as sanction for amnesty requires conscious mistranslation. This is not an esoteric quibble. The word for stranger in the Hebrew Bible is Ger v'toh-shav – "sojourner" in English. First appearing in Genesis 4:23 to describe Abraham when he dwells briefly among the Hittites in Kiryat Arba, modern Hebron, its final appearance is in the last book of the Hebrew Bible, Chronicles 29:15, when King David contrasts the transitory nature of human existence with the eternality of God on whose earth we live as temporary wanderers.

The eminent scholar Richard Elliot Friedman, Professor of Biblical Hebrew at Oxford and Cambridge universities, translates it as "alien" and "visitor." All English dictionaries define "to sojourn" as "to stay temporarily." Arguing some 11 million illegal aliens should remain here permanently finds no support in Leviticus. As noted, there’s no term for "immigrant" or "immigration" in the Hebrew Bible, and the Book of Ruth is an exceptional narrative about the adoption of a new national identity. Ruth, a Moabite, determines to remain with her Israelite mother-in-law after her husband’s death and become an Israelite. It's instructive to contrast the powerful assertion of national belonging Ruth expresses to Naomi with the apparent indifference to national identity or loyalty to a competing one that characterizes so many contemporary resident aliens. Ruth says, "Wherever you go, I will go; And wherever you lodge, I will lodge; Your people will be my people and your God will be my God. Where you die, I will die, and there will I be buried." The Book of Ruth provides perhaps the most ancient expression of the ideal of patriotic assimilation.

Fewer than 25 percent of foreign-born Mexicans have naturalized. The Pew Hispanic Center reports that number dropped 62 percent in the last year; one explanation is the cost of filing for naturalization rose $265.00. In the Book of Ruth we encounter an outsider’s total identification with an adopted nation and longing for complete absorption. Among a great many contemporary transnational migrants (a more accurate term than "immigrant") we see something very different. Whether stemming from the anomie of the deracinated, economic calculation, unwillingness to choose between identities, or more likely, an abiding loyalty to Mexico – all Mexicans remain Mexican by Mexican law – there’s scant indication of a parallel desire to embrace American identity. This is especially true when that requires paying a price for wholesale violations of American law, playing by the rules, and going to the back of the queue. A recent survey conducted in Mexico finds 69 percent of Mexicans believe their compatriots in the United States owe Mexico primary loyalty; another finds 62 percent of Mexicans harbor irredentist attitudes, regarding the American Southwest as Mexican. Can one even disaggregate these groups – Mexicans here, Mexicans there – given porous borders, their peregrinations, and Mexico’s unbroken ties – ideological and legal –on its children here?

The Hebrew Bible addresses inclusion of strangers/aliens in civil and legal terms in several places. (Exodus, 12:49; Leviticus, 24: 22; and Numbers, 15:14). It proclaims: "One law for the citizen/native and the alien/stranger that dwells among you." But this is no Bill of Rights for sojourners. The Bible demands strict obedience to Israelite laws and norms. Aliens gain rights only through lawful residency. While "aliens" need not convert, they must embrace monotheism, the bedrock of Judaic civilization. The punishment for idolatry is death. Strangers had to pay taxes, demonstrate civic loyalty by making the annual pilgrimage to the Temple in Jerusalem, and preserve social order.

The Bible draws a bright line between its religiously defined notion of being a citizen – in Biblical Hebrew the word is ezrach – from a sojourner. While forms of legal residency for those outside the covenant find sanction in the Hebrew Bible, only conversion to Judaism conferred all rights and made one a full member of the people (for example, the remittance of debts every seven years was not permitted to resident aliens). The idea that conversion confers full rights is paralleled by a prepositional conception of American citizenship.

Leviticus 19:33 exhorts us to "Love the stranger." "Comprehensive Immigration Reform" is not about love; it’s about exploiting cheap labor, Hispanic identity politics, and creating a permanent Democratic political majority. Leviticus does not command us to exploit strangers for profit or political advantage. Contemporary immigration pits hard-pressed constituencies against each other: poor illegal aliens against America’s unemployed, working poor, and working class, including legal immigrants. The competition gravely harms our fellow citizens, especially during times of acute economic distress. Our "jobless recovery" means nearly 10 percent of us are "officially" unemployed. Some 16 million are out of work, and while six citizens chase every job advertised, illegal aliens hold some seven million jobs. In this zero-sum game, our countrymen have first call on our loyalty: "charity begins at home."

The Hebrew Prophets repeatedly demand justice for the humble laborers of one’s own community. This exhortation is recited in the Bible’s "Holiness Code" read in every synagogue on the Day of Atonement. Distorting Scripture to support legislation designed to import cheap labor to depress the wages and worsen the working conditions of our vulnerable fellow citizens is not only shameful; it is also sacrilege.

Dr. Stephen Steinlight Senior Policy Analyst Center for Immigration Studies 1522 K Street, N.W., Suite 820 Washington, DC 20005-1202

13 posted on 06/30/2013 6:40:51 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
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To: usconservative

Don’t you love it when people quote scripture to support illegal immigration and abortion?

I’m pretty sure Pelosi could find the amnesty “word” in her favorite book, “The Word”.

Even Satan is a master of quoting the Bible.


14 posted on 06/30/2013 6:43:32 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
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To: TurboZamboni
Don’t you love it when people quote scripture to support illegal immigration and abortion?

Not really, it makes me want to find the biggest, heaviest version of the KJV in my house and whack them upside the head with it.

15 posted on 06/30/2013 6:45:50 AM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: Paladin2
Recall that W had the same issue with things like ports and immigration reform but never lost the GOP base.

The problem is not the likes of Rubio, Ryan, McCain, or Bush, its the painfully naive GOP base that keeps voting for these creeps.

16 posted on 06/30/2013 7:08:30 AM PDT by Count of Monte Fisto
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To: NTHockey
And for all the NSA trolls, FU.

Double: read the tag.

17 posted on 06/30/2013 8:00:27 AM PDT by upchuck (To the faceless, jack-booted government bureaucrat who just scanned this post: SCREW YOU!)
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To: TurboZamboni

I hope Hewitt didn’t hurt himself doing the backflips in this article.

Man, what a hack.


18 posted on 06/30/2013 8:41:20 AM PDT by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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The immigration problem, illegal and legal, is two things, rapid population growth and Socialism. Well, ...three things if we consider that the growing population is voting for more and more Socialism, exacerbating the problem. The solution is to stop the flow of illegal immigrants, and begin reversing it. That won’t do much if we don’t get back to America first immigration policies. Stop importing whole families who will need to be on some kind of social services, and start limiting immigration to people who will enrich this country economically, scientifically, artistically. We aren’t here to be the housing project for the world. Stop this madness, and get back to America first policies.

One more thought on this: The same politicians who are pushing for rapid population growth are also pushing for reduction in energy exploitation. Larger populations need more energy, and it takes more energy to clean up their pollution. Democrats who really want to become the doormat for the world need to stop playing with dead end green energy programs, and start promoting real energy production.


19 posted on 06/30/2013 10:14:16 AM PDT by pallis
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