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Reaganís answer to Snowdenís flight: force the plane down
Rare.US ^ | June 23, 2013 | James S. Robbins

Posted on 06/23/2013 2:46:32 PM PDT by Abakumov

On Sunday, NSA leaker Edward Snowden landed in Moscow on a flight from Hong Kong. The United States had asked for Snowden’s extradition, but officials in Hong Kong said the request did not comply with their laws. Snowden will probably not be allowed to stay in Russia, and reports vary on where the fugitive will go next – Cuba, Venezuela, Ecuador, or some other questionable country.

The flight from Hong Kong took Washington by surprise, and it is unclear when Snowden will make the next leg of his journey into permanent exile. But the Obama administration might take a lesson from Ronald Reagan. The Gipper’s solution to apprehending airborne fugitives was to go up and get them.

On October 10, 1985, four Palestinian terrorists boarded an EgyptAir 737 charter flight for Tunis. Three days earlier they had hijacked the Italian cruise ship Achille Lauro, holding the passengers and crew hostage and murdering wheelchair-bound 69-year old American tourist Leon Klinghoffer. After the ship docked at Port Said, the Egyptian government secretly agreed to let the hijackers fly to PLO headquarters in Tunis to “face judgment” (and no doubt praise) from Yassir Arafat.

The Egyptians kept mum on where EgyptAir flight 2843 was headed, but U.S. and Israeli intelligence quickly found out. President Reagan was on Air Force One heading for Chicago when he got word. Reagan was determined to bring the hijackers to justice; the Pentagon had been readying SEAL Team 6 to board the Achille Lauro but had to call off the raid when the hijackers fled into Egypt’s territorial waters. Now the Gipper had another chance. He ordered Carrier Air Wing 17, based on the aircraft carrier U.S.S. Saratoga, to intercept the 737 and escort it to the NATO Naval Air Station at Sigonella, Italy.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: benghazi; fastandfurious; impeachnow; irs; nsa; obama; reagan; snowden
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1 posted on 06/23/2013 2:46:32 PM PDT by Abakumov
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To: Abakumov

I do not consider this man a criminal.

I consider Obama, Holder and the people violating my Constitutional rights the criminals.


2 posted on 06/23/2013 2:50:04 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: Abakumov

Let’s not aid the NSA’s illegal spying on Americans.


3 posted on 06/23/2013 2:50:38 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Abakumov

The difference is forcing down an EgyptAir plane vs an Aeroflot plane. Which one might have a fighter escort? And the crimes are quite different.


4 posted on 06/23/2013 2:50:51 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (Unindicted Co-conspirators: The Mainstream Media)
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To: Abakumov

Uh no. Reagan would NOT have shot Snowden’s plane down.
What a disgusting analogy!


5 posted on 06/23/2013 2:51:20 PM PDT by Bradís Gramma (Psalm 83)
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To: Venturer

I couldn’t agree with you more.


6 posted on 06/23/2013 2:53:13 PM PDT by Gator113 ( ~just keep livin~ I drink good wine, listen to good music and dream good dreams.)
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To: Abakumov
If they force the flight down they will then face a messy trial with an open discovery process.

He will be shot down.

7 posted on 06/23/2013 2:53:58 PM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of oppression, and the democrats gleefully use them!)
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To: Abakumov

It never would have gotten to this point under Reagan, he respected the privacy of law-abiding Americans.


8 posted on 06/23/2013 2:54:14 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Abakumov

Speculation about what Reagan would do ? He wouldn’t! Because he wouldn’t allow government sticking its nose into everybodys business. He wouldn’t particularly in this case because they critisized his policies.


9 posted on 06/23/2013 2:55:35 PM PDT by mosesdapoet (Serious contribution pause.Please continue onto meaningless venting no one reads.)
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To: Abakumov

A shame the author doesn’t know anything about Reagan; yet, feels free to write about him which ends up being a lie. Why use FR bandwidth’s on this junk?


10 posted on 06/23/2013 2:56:18 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: Abakumov

Considering the criminal activity exposed by him of the regime. I’m on his side for the moment at least.


11 posted on 06/23/2013 2:56:29 PM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Venturer

Gonna be a real interesting scramble when some of the other thousands of Snowdens our government hired decide they’ve had enough and start leaking at will.


12 posted on 06/23/2013 2:56:29 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Abakumov

There is no comparison to those 2 events.


13 posted on 06/23/2013 2:56:54 PM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (To stay calm during these tumultuous times, I take Damitol. Ask your Doctor if it's right for you.)
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To: Brad's Gramma

I agree. Regan would not shoot Snowdon’s plane down. Obammie might, but Reagan wouldn’t. Couldn’t even.

Reagans administration would have had no tolerance for this NSA secrecy and spying.

Obama on the other hand - thrives on it.


14 posted on 06/23/2013 2:57:27 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Abakumov

The writer of this article is obviously not very bright.


15 posted on 06/23/2013 2:57:31 PM PDT by BarnacleCenturion
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To: Abakumov

Waste of resources. Shoot the scumbag when he exits the plane.


16 posted on 06/23/2013 2:57:55 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: Abakumov

Isn’t there a secret memo in the DOJ saying the President can order the assassination of whomever he decides, wherever that person is. Somebody said the guy is a traitor. What more due process does Obama need?


17 posted on 06/23/2013 2:58:38 PM PDT by Redmen4ever
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To: plain talk
Shoot the scumbag when he exits the plane.

That's the "Chicago Way."

18 posted on 06/23/2013 2:58:52 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: plain talk

Unreasonable to waste a perfectly useful plane.


19 posted on 06/23/2013 3:00:52 PM PDT by muawiyah (Get your RED (state) Arm Bands ~)
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To: Abakumov

Putting aside the bizarre comparison between Edward Snowden and Abu Nidal, this author seems to have forgotten than forcing Nidal’s plane down didn’t do any good. The Italians simply put him on another plane and let him go.


20 posted on 06/23/2013 3:03:27 PM PDT by SeeSharp
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To: Responsibility2nd

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/may/22/inside-the-ring-nsa-under-reagan/?page=all ~ notice, not the POST, this is the TIMES. Without comment this is based on a declassified history of what Ronaldus Magnus did regarding NSA during his period of service.


21 posted on 06/23/2013 3:04:55 PM PDT by muawiyah (Get your RED (state) Arm Bands ~)
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To: Abakumov

So Snowden can now be compared with known murderous terrorists?

Seriously?


22 posted on 06/23/2013 3:10:15 PM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: Abakumov

Whoever wrote this knows nothing about Ronald Reagan.


23 posted on 06/23/2013 3:11:26 PM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: muawiyah

Interesting. So Regan increased the size and scope of the NSA.

And what was the result? Only the end of the threat of nuclear weapons and the demise of the Communist Soviet Union.

A good deal if you ask me. But now Bammie uses this same agency to spy on right wingers and at the same time ignore the muslim threats.

God, I miss Reagan. But then again - I miss the USA even more.


24 posted on 06/23/2013 3:11:31 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Venturer

I do not consider this man a criminal.

I consider Obama, Holder and the people violating my Constitutional rights the criminals.


Exactly!

The biggest criminal/enemy of the United States is in the Oval Office. His minions infest every level of every agency of the Federal government.

Snowden is a nobody.


25 posted on 06/23/2013 3:11:39 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it. Their minds have been stolen.)
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To: Abakumov

Snowdon is not a criminal. He has done valuable service to the Republic by exposing the length and breadth of government surveillance of American citizens.

The REAL criminals are in Congress and the Oval Office.


26 posted on 06/23/2013 3:23:38 PM PDT by ZULU ((See: http://gatesofvienna.net/) Obama, do you hear me?)
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To: Abakumov

Snowden is NOT the problem - The Obamaites are the problem :

Jim posted today ( read this carefully!)

His daddy was a communist. His mommy was a communist. His mentor was a communist. He admitted in his book before running for the presidency that he himself was a Marxist. And that may be part of the misunderstanding and confusion. It may be that many people do not understand what a Marxist is. “Marxist” is just a fancy word for a communist. And Obama is a self-admitted, constitution-hating, spread-the-wealth-around Marxist/communist. And no one can deny that. It’s a self-evident, self-admitted fact.

And he wants to transform America. Transform it to what? Transform it from a free country to a communist state, that’s what. And he’s making great progress. Has installed his communist/fascist czars into all high level government positions. These jackbooted, unionist/communist thugs have no interest in defending the constitution. They bear sole allegiance to B. Hussein Obama and his transformative (communist) causes and will carry out his bidding without question. Even without orders.

As recent revelations bear out, all government agencies are being politicized by Obama. And the politics involved are a mixture of communism and fascism. The DOJ, IRS, HHS, EPA, DHS, NSA, FBI, etc, etc, are being used to spy on and oppress American citizens and build Obama’s enemies list, er, complete database on all American citizens.

Aided and abetted by Internet Providers, phone companies, Google, facebook, Apple, insurance companies, banks, credit card companies, etc, Obama’s treasonous fascist goon squads are building the world’s largest database and it will contain all information on all people.

This is all communications, phone calls, emails, online activity, cell-phone tracking, credit card transactions, health records, FBI records, everything. According to those in congress who are in the know, they’re going to know everything about you and know everywhere you go. You will not be able to hide.

Don’t think this unconstitutional tyranny is innocent or for “national security.” Don’t think this information won’t be used against you. Or against the generals, admirals, officers, congressmen, judges, governors, sheriffs, corporate executives, politicians, etc., etc. Obama is a commie. What do commies do with information against their perceived enemies?

What would Stalin do?

Time is getting very short.


Snowden did kill anybody and may be very instrumental in the eventual overthrow of the worst power grab in U.S. history . All power to him .


27 posted on 06/23/2013 3:24:14 PM PDT by LeoWindhorse
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To: Abakumov

“Questionable country?” Define that term, please.


28 posted on 06/23/2013 3:26:14 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Abakumov

Completely different set of circumstances. Regardless of whic side one takes, he is no Terrorist.


29 posted on 06/23/2013 3:29:39 PM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: Venturer

I don’t either, but it would be good drama if he were to look out the window and see a couple of USAF fighters escorting his plane!

Until the facts are known, I consider him a whistleblower. Maybe one with poor judgement, but if what he’s disclosed is true, it could be the greatest act of civil disobedience in the history of the Republic.


30 posted on 06/23/2013 3:30:12 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: Abakumov

Yep, Snowden’s getting a lot of attention.

What do They know about you? An interview with NSA analyst William Binney
http://dailycaller.com/2013/06/10/what-do-they-know-about-you-an-interview-with-nsa-analyst-william-binney/?print=1

BUSH-ERA NSA WHISTLEBLOWER MAKES MOST EXPLOSIVE ALLEGATIONS YET ABOUT EXTENT OF GOV’T SURVEILLANCE (Russ Tice)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3034138/posts


31 posted on 06/23/2013 3:51:15 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: Abakumov
The flight from Hong Kong took Washington by surprise

Yeah, sure. What a surprise! Completely unexpected!

Drudge only had a headline up for two or three days saying that he was planning to fly out as soon as it could be arranged.

32 posted on 06/23/2013 3:53:22 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Abakumov

As to the author’s hysterical assumption, I don’t recall Reagan ordering commercial Russian passenger jets to be forced down.


33 posted on 06/23/2013 3:54:01 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: Abakumov

I thought Reagan was dead? Sorry if I wuz wrong.


34 posted on 06/23/2013 3:59:22 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: plain talk

Shoot the scumbag when he exits the plane....Who? Obama?


35 posted on 06/23/2013 4:12:10 PM PDT by Safetgiver ( Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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To: Abakumov
The reason Edward Snowden himself has been made the distraction is but for ONE SIMPLE reason.

He has REVEALED to the American Public what is ALREADY UNCLASSIFIED information.

The NSA is ANGRY because the public was supposed to stay unaware and naive' enjoying their "bread & circuses" while the NSA infirnged on your Constitutional Rights.

As my longtime friend who posted the following on Slashdot told me directly after I stated that
it appears you released MORE information than Edward Snowden:

I wrote that days ago, but sat on it thinking about just that. The key is what I wrote is NOT classified information. It is freely available on telco specs, if you know where to look.

I'm not sure that matters to some people, but it is what it is.

Read his full post for your self:

http://slashdot.org/~chill/journal/430067


36 posted on 06/23/2013 4:17:08 PM PDT by VideoDoctor
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To: Abakumov
Reagan would have not had to shoot down Edward Snowden because there would have been no Edward Snowden.

Under Reagan the NSA would not have uncontrollably grown to the degree that one million have Top Secret security clearances and there would have been FEW if any Top Secret clearances for private contractors let alone 29 year old high school dropouts with unstable job records.

37 posted on 06/23/2013 4:18:39 PM PDT by metafugitive
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To: Venturer

Concur wholeheartedly


38 posted on 06/23/2013 4:20:04 PM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Abakumov

Run Eddie run!


39 posted on 06/23/2013 4:26:54 PM PDT by patriot08 (NATIVE TEXAN (girl type))
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To: Abakumov

Thankfully, Ubama is no Reagan.
Of course, that’s like saying Kim Kardasian is no Margaret Thatcher.


40 posted on 06/23/2013 4:31:06 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Venturer

“I do not consider this man a criminal.”
“I consider Obama, Holder and the people violating my Constitutional rights the crimials.”

BEARS REPEATING !!! To the Chicago thugs, Whistleblowers are heroes; unless the whistle is being blown on THEM! Note that the MSM talking heads have reported it AS ORDERED, as usual.


41 posted on 06/23/2013 4:43:32 PM PDT by Twinkie (John 3:16)
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To: mosesdapoet
Speculation about what Reagan would do ? He wouldn’t! Because he wouldn’t allow government sticking its nose into everybodys business.

The difference here is, Snowden would have felt perfectly comfortable approaching Attorney General Edwin Meese. Can you imagine the different response he would have gotten from talking to Meese's assistant Mark Levin?

42 posted on 06/23/2013 4:51:24 PM PDT by COBOL2Java (I'm a christian, pro-life, pro-gun, Reaganite. The GOP hates me. Why should I vote for them?)
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To: Abakumov

This would be implying that Reagan would support spying on all US citizens....because every anti-Snowden wank supports the spying...and Obama...too

Just like Obama Eligibility.....the Obama Supporters once again surrender liberty to cover for Obama


43 posted on 06/23/2013 4:55:15 PM PDT by SeminoleCounty (Don't Blame Me For La Raza Rubio....I Voted For Alex Snitker)
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To: Abakumov

Interesting perspectives here. The two men who assassinated the Roman emperor Caligula were put to death. Not that everyone wasn’t grateful, but they didn’t fancy letting a couple of regicides get off scot-free. It didn’t set a very good precedent.


44 posted on 06/23/2013 5:08:38 PM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: Brad's Gramma

But don’t you remember how Ronnie had that big S on his chest, and bullets bounced off from him. Oh wait. Never mind.

I love how people place Reagan in different times and suggest what he would do.

He was a great man. We have none of them any more. But you are correct, there is no way he would shoot down a Russian aircraft.


45 posted on 06/23/2013 5:16:24 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (Does anybody really know what time it is? Does anybody really care?)
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To: Abakumov

Hard to do when the flight from HK to Moscow goes over China & Russia (and possibly Mongolia) and the plane belongs to the Russian flag carrier.


46 posted on 06/23/2013 5:36:09 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: Brad's Gramma

>>>Uh no. Reagan would NOT have shot Snowden’s plane down.
What a disgusting analogy!>>>

I AGREE COMPLETELY!


47 posted on 06/23/2013 5:39:56 PM PDT by kitkat (STORM THE HEAVENS WITH PRAYERS FOR OUR COUNTRY)
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To: Abakumov
“We did it all off the cuff.” But he said the mission was an outstanding example of the power of naval aviation to “make things happen.”
More like an exmple of having an outstinding man as president...one we knew we could trust.
48 posted on 06/23/2013 6:50:28 PM PDT by lewislynn (What does the global warming movement and the Fairtax movement have in common? Disinformation)
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To: plain talk
Shoot the scumbag when he exits the plane.
Snowden's not the scumbag in this scenario.
49 posted on 06/23/2013 6:53:38 PM PDT by lewislynn (What does the global warming movement and the Fairtax movement have in common? Disinformation)
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To: Venturer

Yep.


50 posted on 06/23/2013 6:56:12 PM PDT by rintense
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