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DOCTORS DUMP HEALTH INSURANCE PLANS, CHARGE PATIENTS LESS
Breitbart ^ | June 15, 2013

Posted on 06/15/2013 5:08:55 AM PDT by Hojczyk

Thirty-two-year old family physician Doug Nunamaker of Wichita, Kan., said after five years of dealing with the red tape of health insurance companies and the high overhead for the staff he hired just to deal with paperwork, he switched to a system of charging his patients a monthly fee plus the price of an office visit or test, CNN/Money reported.

For example, under Nunamaker's membership plan -- also known as "concierge" medicine or "direct primary care" practices -- each patient pays a flat monthly fee to have unlimited access to the doctors and any medical service they can provide in the practice, such as stitches or an EKG.

For adults up to age 44, Nunamaker charges $50 a month, pediatric services are $10 a month, and for adults age 44 and older it costs $100 a month. Although Nunamaker calls the practice "cash-only," he accepts credit and debit cards for the fees and services.

Nunamaker and his partner negotiated deals for services outside the office. A cholesterol test costs the patient for $3, versus the $90 or more billed to insurance companies; an MRI can cost $400, compared with $2,000 or more billed to insurance companies.

The practice encourages patients and families to also carry some type of high-deductible health insurance plan in case of an emergency or serious illness requiring hospitalization, Nunamaker said.

Nunamaker said his annual salary is around $200,000, and he gets to spend more time with patients providing better care because he is not watching the clock and he gets to spend more time with this family.

Most of Nunamaker's clients are self-employed, small business owners, or small companies that found the monthly fee and the cost of the high-deductible plan was a cheaper option, CNN/Money reported.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government
KEYWORDS: abortion; deathpanels; healthcare; insurance; medicine; obamacare; physicians; zerocare

1 posted on 06/15/2013 5:08:55 AM PDT by Hojczyk
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To: Hojczyk
Illegal within a year.

Betcha.

2 posted on 06/15/2013 5:12:00 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Hojczyk

3 posted on 06/15/2013 5:17:50 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

AMEN!! Conservatives or those that Don’t VOTE for Democrats or give them MOney will get LESS HEALTH CARE!!


4 posted on 06/15/2013 5:20:03 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion.....the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Izzy Dunne

“Illegal within a year.
Betcha.”

You just know that if the IRS wasn’t currently under a spotlight, the administration would be pushing behind the scenes for audits targeting physicians in these types of practices. You just know.


5 posted on 06/15/2013 5:25:00 AM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: Hojczyk
We have a group of physicians south of Dallas that are starting a direct pay practice in the winter.

Looks interesting.

I believe that many doctors are tired of the interference and the paperwork of insurance and Mediscare.

6 posted on 06/15/2013 5:29:00 AM PDT by texas booster (Join FreeRepublic's Folding@Home team (Team # 36120) Cure Alzheimer's!)
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To: Travis McGee
The practice encourages patients and families to also carry some type of high-deductible health insurance plan in case of an emergency or serious illness requiring hospitalization, Nunamaker said.

And just how is it you'll be able to buy such a plan after Obamacare eliminates anything that's not full coverage at sky high prices?

7 posted on 06/15/2013 5:35:37 AM PDT by CA_soon_gone
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To: CA_soon_gone
If you get a catastrophic illness uder Obamacare this is the pill you will be given:


8 posted on 06/15/2013 5:38:15 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Izzy Dunne

Even if this remains legal, the patients will still be on the hook for the hefty poverty-inducing Obamacare insurance or fines. Then on top of that they will have to pay out of pocket for their actual health care [via private doctor].

Isn’t that the way it typically goes in socialized medicine lands?

Obama will likely make this sort of operation a crime, at least for the middle class and their not-politically connected MDs. The politically connected will have their private doctors, though.


9 posted on 06/15/2013 5:38:43 AM PDT by Ezekiel (The Obama-nation began with the Inauguration of Desolation.)
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To: CA_soon_gone

Seriously though, under the unAffordable Heath Care Act, if you get a catastrophic illness, then sign up. THEY HAVE TO TAKE YOU.


10 posted on 06/15/2013 5:39:52 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va
"unAffordable Heath Care Act"

Aka (dba) 0bamaDontCare.

11 posted on 06/15/2013 5:55:13 AM PDT by Paladin2 (;-))
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To: central_va
Seriously though, under the unAffordable Heath Care Act, if you get a catastrophic illness, then sign up. THEY HAVE TO TAKE YOU.

Yeah they have to give you insurance if you ask for it, it just doesn't have to be cheap.

This is why a bunch of young people, at least for the year 2014, will just take the tax penalty, which is $95.00 (year one only of this boondoggle).

12 posted on 06/15/2013 5:58:35 AM PDT by RikaStrom ("To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize." ~Voltaire)
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sfl


13 posted on 06/15/2013 6:15:44 AM PDT by phockthis (http://www.supremelaw.org/fedzone11/index.htm ...)
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To: Hojczyk

My doctor went to this several years ago. The up-front cost was more: ~ $1800/yr and you had to maintain your health care plan. You got a comprehensive physical, more one-on-one time (he was cutting his patient load), and a copy of your complete medical records on a diskette. The upfront cost was not covered by your healthcare plan. I believe you could pay for it out of your HSA. The physical included a whole series of tests. After that you used your healthcare plan for normal office visits. It was geared toward seniors.

I switched doctors because I thought the upfront cost was excessive.


14 posted on 06/15/2013 6:15:46 AM PDT by OrioleFan (Republicans believe every day is July 4th, Democrats believe every day is April 15th.)
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To: Hojczyk

There’s a lot to be said about the combination of direct pay for the smaller stuff, and medical tourism for the larger stuff.

...and the Dems win though, as they will have totally torn apart our medical system.


15 posted on 06/15/2013 6:37:31 AM PDT by BobL (To us it's a game, to them it's personal - therefore they win.)
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To: central_va
Seriously though, under the unAffordable Heath Care Act, if you get a catastrophic illness, then sign up. THEY HAVE TO TAKE YOU.

But you still won't get treated.
16 posted on 06/15/2013 6:45:57 AM PDT by Old Yeller (You can't spell Stanley Ann without S-A-T-A-N)
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To: Hojczyk

Is this the guy who called into Rush thursday?

Why can’t DRs like this have their insurance ‘system’ qualify as a policy one now MUST have?

And if you buy a 5000.00 deductible catastrophic policy at 500.00/mo for a family of four, plus the 100.00 or so he’s charging concierge, that’s way better coverage.


17 posted on 06/15/2013 6:55:05 AM PDT by txhurl (RNC 'voter suppression': attempting to limit each voter to ONE vote!)
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To: Hojczyk

so about 38 yrs ago....I know, a long time ago...I went in to the drs...got examined....got labs....got some meds....for $8....that was it....


18 posted on 06/15/2013 7:03:25 AM PDT by cherry
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To: central_va

And like saddam hussein, your family gets the bill for the bullet that was used.


19 posted on 06/15/2013 7:32:25 AM PDT by ak267 (THORIUM....ENERGY OF THE FUTURE!!!!)
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To: Hojczyk

This “concierge” is a ripoff. My doctor wants 600 patients to pay $180/month. That’s $1.3 million per year, plus office visit fees pushing it to over $1.5 million. I bet he doesn’t make that now plus he can get rid of 3 of 5 staff.

Basically they are asking for us to pay more for care were supposed to be getting all along.


20 posted on 06/15/2013 7:38:36 AM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: ak267

You are mistaken, that is medicine to be taken orally.


21 posted on 06/15/2013 7:38:55 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: texas booster

We’ve got a few of those in our valley...they’re called “Medical Concierge Services”. This might be due to the fact that our area gets tons of Canucks during the winter months.


22 posted on 06/15/2013 7:41:44 AM PDT by ErnBatavia (Piffle....)
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To: Hojczyk; neverdem

Apparently some talk show hosts and literature are pushing the Medical Concierge Services. Their benefit is why sit a crowded medical waiting room with illegals, welfareits, and other undesired. Go to a Medical Concierge Service Dr or group.

The going rate for Medical Concierge Service Docs has been around $150 to $200/month, often paid in quarterly or yearly in advance.

Now, we are hearing that some MDs in the Stanford Palo Alto Area are charging $1000 to $1500 per month.

This past week, a couple of friends of my wife, who had been going to a female MD who only sees women, for $150/month were told that starting in 2014, that MD would be charging $1700/month paid in advance on a quarterly basis. This MD would deduct 10% if her patients paid for a year in advance. All payments are due the 15 of the month before services.

We are hearing of even higher fees in upscale East Bay areas, Stanford areas and of course Gay Frisco.

Do the simple math to realize how much a Medical Concierge Service MD can bring in at the rates above.

Then, we can figure out that most good MDs will opt out of Obozo care and become a Medical Concierge Service MD.


23 posted on 06/15/2013 7:59:31 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ('How empty and dead' were they to let Chris Stevens, one of them , die for 'Obama-Clinton fiction?')
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To: Hojczyk
I'm thinking we're going to see more and more Concierge type medicine pop up, if the stupid Government doesn't make it illegal first.

I'd happily pay the $300/mo. to my doctor and save the other $900+ I'm currently paying for family health insurance through my employer (total $1200/mo.)

It's freaking nuts that I'm paying just over $14k/year for health care insurance and that's before I meet another $2k out of pocket deductible requirement!

My damn' health care insurance doesn't pay a dime until I've incurred my out of pocket deductible, then only pays 70% of the cost. I have to pay the remaining 30% since all my doctors now BILL ME for the portion the insurance does not pay.

I know one thing's for sure: the health insurance company is making a mint off me and providing shit back in services. It's a flipping rip-off as-is ---- and ObamaCare is only going to make it much, MUCH worse!

24 posted on 06/15/2013 8:00:15 AM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: CodeToad

It is really high. My husband and I each go to the general Dr maybe once or twice a year- a few more times for me to specialists (I am getting older- I don’t see this guy dealing with my weird breast situation). I wouldn’t mind paying per visit for a general practitioner, but I don’t want to pay almost $400 a month combined for the both of us for someone we never see. Add in the kids, and my gosh.


25 posted on 06/15/2013 8:14:19 AM PDT by conservative cat
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To: Hojczyk

This approach makes great sense for family doctors. but will soon be outlawed.


26 posted on 06/15/2013 8:25:51 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (Plan "B" is now Plan "A")
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To: Izzy Dunne
Illegal within a year.

It was illegal under Hillarycare.

27 posted on 06/15/2013 8:27:47 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (Plan "B" is now Plan "A")
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To: CodeToad
Basically they are asking for us to pay more for care were supposed to be getting all along.

I'm curious why you think you were "supposed" to get anything "all along"?

28 posted on 06/15/2013 8:32:40 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (Plan "B" is now Plan "A")
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To: Hojczyk
I went for my yearly physical yesterday. I got the regular EKG, Chest X-Ray and Lab. He gave me a typical physical. The time he took to examine me was about 15 minutes which was the norm. He then had to spend another 20 minutes or more typing in reports on the computer. This was after I had seen a mandated wellness nurse. Government is destroying health care.

Doctors are best qualifies to run health care. But The Hag Former Speaker of the House thought she knew more than doctors. The HMO Act which has been a gold mine for parenting insures owning them either need to be closed down or their litigation exemption revoked.. Next thing needed is Tort Reform in relation to health care. Not a single Democrat in congress ever mentions that. Federal Mandates, Unethical Lawyers, Idiot Jurors, and Private Insurers also owning HMO's have drive cost up beyond what can be afforded.

Who is the main backer of Obanationcare? Follow the money. Who stands to make the most money on Obamainationcare? HMO's parent companies. Nest to our elected leaders who protect insurers profit margins who is the most corrupt? Insurance companies operate many times under allowed practices that would get any other corporation shut down. Insurance in many aspects including health care is indeed now legalized government mandated extortion.

29 posted on 06/15/2013 8:40:12 AM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: Hojczyk

bookmark


30 posted on 06/15/2013 8:46:57 AM PDT by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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To: RikaStrom

Or just structure your finances so your income doesn’t put you above the line.


31 posted on 06/15/2013 8:56:45 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Un Pere, Une Mere, C'est elementaire)
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To: Mike Darancette

“I’m curious why you think you were “supposed” to get anything “all along”?”

You jumped to a very wrong conclusion that somehow I thought were entitled to something for free.

My point is that we were getting good one on one care years gone back. Now with we rarely see doctors but nurses and even then the time in constrained. Insurance companies and the government interfered to the point making a living as a doctor became difficult. This new program whereby we overpay by a large margin is not an answer either.


32 posted on 06/15/2013 9:09:05 AM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: Hojczyk

OMG!!!!! a private medical market place, who’d a thunk it possible to work?????

strike back at the nanny state & the crony-capitalist insurance giants

get “accident” insurance to cover medical needs from accidents and reduce “health insurance” to “major medical” and “catastrophic” issues, and get the rest into a “monthly doctor plan” or a health savings account

medical markets will respond with cost savings for the responsible and penny-wise health care consumer


33 posted on 06/15/2013 9:35:24 AM PDT by Wuli (qu)
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To: CodeToad
Basically they are asking for us to pay more for care were supposed to be getting all along.

Just what do you think the price should be to have someone operate a decent-looking, clean office, obtain a history in short order, prescribe dangerous chemicals and procedures, document all this, pay a staff, interpret labs, communicate the results to patients and specialists, all about 100 common ailments and 1000 rare ones, in their myriad forms?

Oh, and to be punished by the courts, the press, and multiple regulatory agencies for making even a small error, or sometimes making no error at all?

To be punished because of the progressive, inevitable deterioration of an old mortal who has not taken care of himself, ever, in any way?

To be knowledgeable about hundreds of advances in real time?

And to take ultimate responsibility for the well-being or bad outcome, for hundreds or thousands of patients?

Do you not shell out $1800 for maintenance, insurance, and repair of your car annually?

34 posted on 06/15/2013 11:29:54 AM PDT by caddie
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To: CodeToad

Sorry for the leap.:) I think HSA’s are the answer where there is more competition for your dollar. That said a practice will have to have some type of method whereby their recurring operating expenses such as rent, utilities, office staff and such are covered; this would be offset by a fixed monthly/yearly charge, in theory you per visit payment is solely for medicine.

Concierge medicine as a mainstream choice is in it’s infancy so prices may vary widely. More competition should smooth out pricing a bit. But, hey, what some doctors are charging may be worth it for a person in need of extra care or for a particularly good physician.


35 posted on 06/15/2013 12:07:43 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Plan "B" is now Plan "A")
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To: caddie

“Do you not shell out $1800 for maintenance, insurance, and repair of your car annually?”

You’re nuts if you want to compare humans to machines. That’s how liberals think. Congratulations.


36 posted on 06/15/2013 1:53:46 PM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: Mike Darancette

If we dump the insurance company regulations as they are now which prevent competition, such as insurance companies cannot sell policy risk pool across State lines, get real tort reform, reform drug manufacturer regulations, and remove 99% of current government regulations we might actually get back to capitalism and a free market whereby doctors can offer their services as they see fit.


37 posted on 06/15/2013 1:55:34 PM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: CodeToad

No liberals (like someone I know) believe that only they deserve their salary, that only they are expert, and that more, or everything, is due them, or isn’t good enough, however little they pay for it. Congratulations to you!


38 posted on 06/15/2013 4:56:59 PM PDT by caddie
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