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Concerns raised as some Victorian gun-owners stockpile firearms
Herald Sun ^ | 6th June 2013 | Alex White

Posted on 06/05/2013 2:09:49 PM PDT by naturalman1975

VICTORIA's top firearms owners have collected an average arsenal of 80 weapons each, which has raised concerns among advocates of gun control.

They want restrictions on the number of weapons one person can own.

The 20 biggest gun owners in the state are sitting on 1625 firearms, according to Victoria Police figures.

One owner has been legally approved to hold 131 weapons, including scores of semi-automatic rifles and shotguns.

(Excerpt) Read more at heraldsun.com.au ...


TOPICS: Australia/New Zealand; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: australia; banglist; guncontrol; guns; rkba; secondamendment
Posted largely because of the number of times I've found myself responding on FR to Americans who have, in good faith, believed the lies that guns are banned in Australia.

It's not their fault they believe it - it's a widely propagated lie which has, at times, convinced generally credible sources that others trust and repeat.

But it isn't true, no matter how much anti-gun groups want it to be true.

That's not to say we don't have some overly restrictive and even downright stupid laws and controls on guns in Australia - we do. But they're a long way from being banned, and we're a long way from being disarmed.

1 posted on 06/05/2013 2:09:49 PM PDT by naturalman1975
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To: naturalman1975

They know how many they have, which is terrible


2 posted on 06/05/2013 2:18:34 PM PDT by Sybeck1 (What has the GOP done today to gain your support in 2014?)
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To: naturalman1975

The idea that there should be limits on the number of guns one owns is absurd. It is extremely unusual for even a gifted gun owner to be able to use 2 guns well at the same time. 3 or more is physically impossible, so it doesn’t matter if you own 2, 10, 50 or 1,000 - you can only use 2 at a time at most, and much more likely 1 at a time.

Quite clearly, gun grabbers don’t know Shiite from Shinola...as they’ve demonstrated repeatedly over the years. Being down under doesn’t help any, either.


3 posted on 06/05/2013 2:22:36 PM PDT by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt)
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To: Ancesthntr

The fascists are worried that these collectors will arm their neighbors when the ideological purges start.


4 posted on 06/05/2013 2:27:58 PM PDT by RightOnTheBorder
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To: Ancesthntr

The grabbers should be happy to see the guns concentrated in relatively few hands.


5 posted on 06/05/2013 2:28:25 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
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To: naturalman1975

I noticed “scores of semi-automatic rifles” mentioned in the source article. Is this more a reference to “occupational shooters” or people who own deactivated firearms of this category?


6 posted on 06/05/2013 2:28:41 PM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: RightOnTheBorder

They should be because that’s exactly what’s going to happen.


7 posted on 06/05/2013 2:29:15 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
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To: naturalman1975

Thanks for posting, very interesting.

Funny thing is, much of the younger generation here in Oz believe the same...


8 posted on 06/05/2013 2:29:38 PM PDT by Zeppelin (Keep on FReepin' on...)
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To: naturalman1975

I get where you’re coming from, naturalman.

But I still remember a picture of a beautiful old Browning 12 gauge Auto-5 being cut to pieces with a bandsaw down there.

Almost brought a tear to my eye. As recompense, I bought one for myself.


9 posted on 06/05/2013 2:35:13 PM PDT by SnuffaBolshevik (In a tornado, even turkeys can fly.)
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To: naturalman1975

And Imelda Marcos had a battery of shoes ....

Just stupid.


10 posted on 06/05/2013 2:35:38 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Charles Martel

It could be either, or neither.

You have to ‘give a reason’ for owning a semi-automatic, but the police are generally reasonable about that (something the gun control people don’t like) and approve most people without a criminal record on any credible grounds. But I think they might be less so if people want lots of such weapons (I only have one, so I have never dealt with such scrutiny), so it wouldn’t surprise me if these are professional shooters, who do have the easiest time with the laws.


11 posted on 06/05/2013 2:35:53 PM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: Zeppelin
Funny thing is, much of the younger generation here in Oz believe the same...

Which is part of the reason the lie gets told. If you can make people think they've lost rights, they won't try and exercise them.

12 posted on 06/05/2013 2:38:35 PM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: naturalman1975
Just checking in to see if this was Victoria, TX.

VICTORIA's top firearms owners have collected an average arsenal of [only]80 weapons each...

I guess not.

13 posted on 06/05/2013 3:01:38 PM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Socialism consumes everything. Bolshies' gonna bolsh.)
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To: naturalman1975

I read the headline, and I had this image of an old Victorian house, with the latticework below the porch railing used as gun ports for hundreds of rifles sticking out....sort of like a giant, armed, porcupine house..


14 posted on 06/05/2013 3:02:05 PM PDT by ken5050 (Due to all the WH scandals, MSNBC is changing its slogan from "Lean Forward" to "BOHICA")
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To: naturalman1975

See my tagline.


15 posted on 06/05/2013 3:17:25 PM PDT by SW6906 (6 things you can't have too much of: sex, money, firewood, horsepower, guns and ammunition.)
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To: naturalman1975

I’m not certain how many I have, but I sure as hell don’t want the government to know.


16 posted on 06/05/2013 3:21:22 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: naturalman1975
(I only have one, so I have never dealt with such scrutiny)

My wife and I have a collection of military uniforms, artifacts, and firearms. We also have nonmilitary firearms. At least half ot them are semi-auto. I am glad that we don't have to justify the possession of any of them. We do have concealed weapons permits but we don't carry guns with us very often. We don't hunt; we do belong to a club, but lately we haven't gotten out to the range very often. I am not sure that I could justify to a government official that we needed any of them.

I enjoy cleaning and tinkering with the guns. I also enjoy loading my own cartridges and experimenting with different combinations of powder and projectiles. I even cast my own bullets. Firearms have always been fascinating to me. My parents didn't own any... my first experiences were at the shooting range at boy scout camp, and we actually had a shooting club at my high school. My how things have changed.

17 posted on 06/05/2013 3:34:53 PM PDT by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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To: Vendome

“And Imelda Marcos had a battery of shoes...”

This gives me an idea. What if we collectively start referring to a collection of objects other than guns as an “arsenal”?

“And Imelda Marcos had an arsenal of shoes...”

The idea is that police and governments are in a habit of sensationalizing gun ownership by declaring “an arsenal”, even if that only means three small guns and a pocket knife. They do this precisely because they know that the word arsenal is underdefined, but sounds to the public usually worse than it is.

They do a similar stunt with “bomb making components” like wire, a kitchen timer, electrical tape, and pliers. Things only a bomb maker would have in their home.

In any event, I went to the grocery today and bought an arsenal of bananas, an arsenal of grapes, an arsenal of beer, etc. They had a “street value” of $50,000.


18 posted on 06/05/2013 4:05:45 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: ken5050

I was thinking that Victorian guns are not as technologically advanced as their modern counterparts, besides who makes ammo for those old calibers anymore?;)


19 posted on 06/05/2013 8:26:29 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: naturalman1975
I read the article. I did not see any reason to limit the number of firearms that one person could own, other than the opinion of an anti-freedom spokesman that it was “absurd”.

Did anyone give any rational reason to limit the number of firearms owned?

It seems to clearly be a case of “I do not like it, therefore there should be a law against it.”

20 posted on 06/06/2013 6:37:41 AM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

I have a gun libary and a book arsenal.


21 posted on 06/06/2013 11:13:17 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: marktwain

One can not both argue that the Second Amendment merely codified the God given right to self defense and that gun bearing does not have an aim. The Totalitarians that are attempting to deprive us of our rights know exactly at whom the Second Amendment is aimed. They have mirrors.


22 posted on 06/06/2013 11:40:24 AM PDT by Stentor
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