Posted on 06/05/2013 4:04:16 AM PDT by servo1969
A group of about 100 high school students traveling from New York to Atlanta were thrown off a flight, along with their chaperones, after the pilot and crew lost patience with some kids who wouldn't sit down and put away their cellphones.
The teenagers, all seniors at the Yeshiva of Flatbush, in Brooklyn, were ordered off the AirTran flight around 6 a.m. Monday as it sat at a gate at LaGuardia Airport.
AirTran's parent company, Southwest Airlines, said in a statement that flight attendants asked passengers several times to take their seats and put their mobile devices away. The airline said that when some didn't comply, the captain repeated the request. When that didn't work, either, the whole group of students was ordered to disembark for safety reasons, the airline said.
The flight was delayed for about 45 minutes while the students filed out of the Boeing 737, which seats about 137 people, leaving the plane mostly empty.
Rabbi Seth Linfield, executive director at Yeshiva of Flatbush, said that administrators were still looking into the matter Tuesday, but that he believed adults on the trip who said the students weren't behaving that badly.
"Preliminarily, it does not appear that the action taken by the flight crew was justified," he said in a statement.
Asked whether he thought 100 teenagers were too many to keep in order on a flight, Linfield said the school has taken similar-size groups before without any problems.
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The adult chaperones said “the students weren’t behaving that badly.” I’m sure when you live with poor behavior 180 days in the year in the school, you don’t notice that bad behavior outside the school.
What happened to Hasidic modesty rules ? Or is that only applicable to a chaste physical appearance and not behavior ? The cell phones should simply have been confiscated....
The Hasidim average about six kids per couple!
If you don't get the "hint" after being told two or three times to shut up, sit down, buckle in and turn off the #($( phones you deserve to get tossed. On another thread the school was hinting that the pilot tossed the students because of antisemitism, as if the pilot would have allowed a hundred Episcopalians to run around and use their cell phones during takeoff.
How long before someone accuses the flight crew of anti-Semitism?
Lol
Sounds like a comedy skit
Oh, I get it now. Thanks! I agree, they should have just voided the tix. And refuse to sell them new ones unless they agree to split up into a bunch of smaller groups. The only problem I see is the possibility of stranding minors.
The cell phones rules are for the goyim.
IF the story is correct and it is THE “Yeshiva of Flatbush”, it is definitely NOT ‘ultra-orthodox’ (whatever that means). This would be ‘Modern Orthodox’, as liberal as can be and still claim to be ‘orthodox’.
Officially, it never changes.
But in reality, it is getting very interesting very quickly.
Despite the Monsey/New Square experiment.
The adults said they weren’t behaving to badly. That speaks volumes. For one thing, they don’t recognize bad behavior. And for the other.... they wouldn’t own up that they couldn’t control the kids ... even if they recognized the bad behavior. The adults were probably some parents whose little angels can do no wrong.
I definitely see your argument. And I used "ultra-orthodox" in quotes, because I believe it is ultimately a meaningless term
Here's a question: are Chabadniks "ultra-Orthodox" or "modern Orthodox"?
This question, I believe, is at the heart of the controversy.
Yhere’s no controversy (if this is “Yeshiva of Flatbush”). It is not Chassidic nor Lubavitch. It is Modern Orthodox as in Yeshiva University, and it is expensive.
Ultra-orthodox yeshiva students, almost by definition, wouldn’t be flashing smartphones.
Same generation that lazy parents let scream and run amuck in every restaurant or public place like wild monkeys.
Man, nobama and the progressives may not be our biggest problem. Wait until this generation is in charge......
There you go again
You love to call folks bigot....racist....or anti Semite
Yet here you are openly generalizung about orthodox Jewish youth......last week there you were assuming most Harlem households had convicts in them as well with no evidence.
It wasn’t long ago I opined about liberals Jews and mused as to why a history of poor political choices and qualified that of course with accolades to right thinking Jews like anyone decent does
Yet you howled you were offended and called the mod on me railing on about why should we tolerate bigots here
But now just look at you....making this broad claim about Jewish kids with what evidence?
You’re a damned hypocrite and should have stayed gone with Ivan and the other anti freepers
Oh...and need I mention....you slur Dixie whenever the fancy strikes you
Like we say round here....I got nothing for you
BTW...my experience with Lubavitch kids on 47th at my office back when was just fine....I gave in the blue coffee cup on Fridays too like anyone else
Chabad people do not attend the Yeshiva of Flatbush. Neither do ultra-orthodox Jews. Nether do Chassidim. Are there any other categories of observat Jews you would like to denigrate with your hateful rants or have you covered all of the necessary ground? I notice you didn’t reference self-hating Jews. Perhaps that one hits too close to home?
That is not my experience with Chabadniks.
If we were discussing Satmar Hasidim, we would be in perfect agreement.
It is the fluidity of the spectrum between extremely traditional and more modern Orthodox that I am talking about.
An Orthodox yeshiva like the one in the article is still an Orthodox yeshiva, and the Torah-observant community is no longer as strictly compartmentalized as it was just 20 years ago.
Yep, all dem Jooz is alike!
What am I saying that is hateful, exactly?
Or a rant, for that matter?
I notice you didn’t reference self-hating Jews. Perhaps that one hits too close to home?
That's a failed bit of psychoanalyzing. I'm a Catholic born and raised in NYC.
I think that your idealized mental picture of the social structure of religious Judaism does not match the facts on the ground.
Here's a question: can a family in Brooklyn have a child who is "secular", another who is "modern Orthodox" and another who is a strict Lubavitcher? And is it possible that the child who is now "modern Orthodox" was once also a strict Lubavitcher?
That is precisely the diametric opposite of what I am saying.
If you ever want to have an adult conversation, I will be available.
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