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100 students ejected from NYC to Atlanta flight for being too rowdy
FoxNews.com ^ | 6-4-2013 | Associated Press

Posted on 06/05/2013 4:04:16 AM PDT by servo1969

A group of about 100 high school students traveling from New York to Atlanta were thrown off a flight, along with their chaperones, after the pilot and crew lost patience with some kids who wouldn't sit down and put away their cellphones.

The teenagers, all seniors at the Yeshiva of Flatbush, in Brooklyn, were ordered off the AirTran flight around 6 a.m. Monday as it sat at a gate at LaGuardia Airport.

AirTran's parent company, Southwest Airlines, said in a statement that flight attendants asked passengers several times to take their seats and put their mobile devices away. The airline said that when some didn't comply, the captain repeated the request. When that didn't work, either, the whole group of students was ordered to disembark for safety reasons, the airline said.

The flight was delayed for about 45 minutes while the students filed out of the Boeing 737, which seats about 137 people, leaving the plane mostly empty.

Rabbi Seth Linfield, executive director at Yeshiva of Flatbush, said that administrators were still looking into the matter Tuesday, but that he believed adults on the trip who said the students weren't behaving that badly.

"Preliminarily, it does not appear that the action taken by the flight crew was justified," he said in a statement.

Asked whether he thought 100 teenagers were too many to keep in order on a flight, Linfield said the school has taken similar-size groups before without any problems.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: airlines; airport; airtran; brooklyn; flatbush; laguardia; linfield; rabbi; seth; southwest; students; teens; yeshiva
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Hey, how 'bout that? Apparently the rare non-Amish teenage mob.
1 posted on 06/05/2013 4:04:16 AM PDT by servo1969
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To: servo1969

“Preliminarily, it does not appear that the action taken by the flight crew was justified,” he said in a statement.”

I’ll bet it was justified.


2 posted on 06/05/2013 4:08:18 AM PDT by Gamecock ("Ultimately, Jesus died to save us from the wrath of God." ¬óR.C. Sproul)
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To: servo1969

Was the in-flight movie “Soul Plane?”


3 posted on 06/05/2013 4:13:26 AM PDT by YourAdHere (Buy my Brady Bunch book, "Bradypalooza," from Amazon and other fine retailers.)
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To: servo1969

Typical New Yorkers - Arrogant, self absorbed, stupid, egotistical. It’s all about me. And before anyone says all teenagers are like that, I flew from Atl to Seattle with about 100 teenages from several soccer teams several years ago. When I saw them I thought “Oh Crap.” But as it turned out they didn’t make any excessive noise and behaved quite well.


4 posted on 06/05/2013 4:16:55 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: servo1969

Today’s youth (the growing majority) know nothing about how to be respectful and understand that the situation is not about their minimal little concerns - but there are others that depend on order to get where they are going...life lesson one taught - I wonder how many of them get it?


5 posted on 06/05/2013 4:18:21 AM PDT by BCW (http://babylonscovertwar.com/index.html - A real life experience book about the war in Iraq)
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To: servo1969

I have been on a flight with people standing while the seat belt sign was on and the airplane was taxiing. The pilot hit the brakes and people went flying.

These punkass punks shouldn’t have been given anything other than a reroute and a stern warning. Shame on Airtran for rewarding their bad behavior.

And the offending students should have been the ones taken off and left to get to their destination on their own.


6 posted on 06/05/2013 4:18:46 AM PDT by Cowgirl of Justice
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To: servo1969

I probably wouldn’t want to be on a flight where 100 of the 137 seats were taken by high school seniors. A real potential for behavior not suitable for air travel.


7 posted on 06/05/2013 4:19:39 AM PDT by Will88
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To: servo1969

I’ve recently been delayed because fellow passengers would not put their cellphones away. The other passengers were forced to wait while these bozos texted away. Very rude.

As far as I am concerned, if you are responsible for delaying a flight you need to get the boot.

Perhaps this will be the start of a new practice.


8 posted on 06/05/2013 4:21:36 AM PDT by AlbertWang
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To: from occupied ga

You are blissfully unaware of the irony in your post.


9 posted on 06/05/2013 4:24:01 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: servo1969

The Captain determines what is justified and what is not.


10 posted on 06/05/2013 4:26:33 AM PDT by mosaicwolf (Strength and Honor)
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To: servo1969
I'm not sure if FReepers are aware that the students involved were all "ultra-Orthodox" Jews.

This is actually a developing trend in the New York area.

11 posted on 06/05/2013 4:26:54 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: servo1969
The flight was delayed for about 45 minutes while the students filed out of the Boeing 737, which seats about 137 people, leaving the plane mostly empty.

Wonder how much that flight cost Southwest?

12 posted on 06/05/2013 4:28:30 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: servo1969

kids
sit down and shut the hell up


13 posted on 06/05/2013 4:30:31 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: servo1969

“Not misbehaving that badly” doesn’t mean squat if they aren’t putting their cell phones away.


14 posted on 06/05/2013 4:34:07 AM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to thoe tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: servo1969

You can buy cell phone zappers for not a lot of money. It’s illegal but surely they can create an exception for flight safety. They can; And don’t call me “Shirley”


15 posted on 06/05/2013 4:35:49 AM PDT by Dilbert56
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To: servo1969

Noo Yawkahs. They are the reason that so many people outside the USA have a bad opinion of Americans. I recently went on a two-week European cruise, and whenever I witnessed someone being rude, obnoxious, or petty during one of the tours, it was almost always a Noo Yawkah.

Living in FL, I come across these jerks often. They are always talking about how great Noo Yawk is and how nobody else knows how to do anything right. If I weren’t so polite, I’d ask them why they are here instead of in their beloved Rotten Apple.


16 posted on 06/05/2013 4:36:13 AM PDT by EricT. (Another Muslim terrorist. Who saw that coming?)
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To: wideawake

Is the trend being ultra orthodox or orthodox behaving badly?


17 posted on 06/05/2013 4:36:28 AM PDT by Chickensoup (200 million unarmed " people killed in the 20th century by Leftist Totalitarian Fascists)
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To: Timber Rattler

yeah just wait til the lawyers sue Southwest for this


18 posted on 06/05/2013 4:40:53 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Chickensoup
The trend is a combination - that Hasidic communities are becoming so large that their traditional internal administrative solutions are overwhelmed, and conflicts/misunderstandings with outsiders are becoming more frequent and more poorly handled.

The negative externalities of success.

19 posted on 06/05/2013 4:41:32 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: wideawake

I think I’ve heard your braying before. It was meaningless noise then. It’s meaningless noise now.


20 posted on 06/05/2013 4:42:38 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: from occupied ga

Thanks for confirming my observation. And for your rich contributions to the thread.


21 posted on 06/05/2013 4:48:13 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: servo1969

Oy vey!


22 posted on 06/05/2013 4:52:12 AM PDT by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: wideawake; from occupied ga

What are you guys on about?


23 posted on 06/05/2013 4:52:51 AM PDT by servo1969
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To: Will88
If in charge of an organization that was sending 100 high school students anywhere within a thousand miles of home, they would have been on a bus instead of in an airplane. It helps to learn virtues like patience and humility, and gives you a chance to actually see America instead of just flying over it.
24 posted on 06/05/2013 4:57:19 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I am the master of my fate ... I am the captain of my soul.")
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To: servo1969

I love Southwest Airlines. Good move.


25 posted on 06/05/2013 5:09:17 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: Gamecock
FlyerTalk has a longish thread on the entire story. They have a few posters who claim to know the students or have relatives working at YoF.

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/southwest-rapid-rewards/1472890-senior-class-kicked-off-flight-being-disruptive.html

I fly almost every week. When the door closes, the crew and pilot are in charge - of everything, including the safety of ALL 137 (or 143) passengers.

26 posted on 06/05/2013 5:17:22 AM PDT by texas booster (Join FreeRepublic's Folding@Home team (Team # 36120) Cure Alzheimer's!)
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To: yldstrk

We always preferred to travel with Southwest. They were known in certain circles as having the highest concentration of former and retired Air Force pilots who preferred their business practice which is quite different from the others.

The lawyers involved will probably be disappointed to find that the pilots have an iron clad rules and regs case.

100 adult sized kids can go bad quickly.

They chose wimpy chaperons.


27 posted on 06/05/2013 5:19:42 AM PDT by stanne
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To: Dilbert56

That unfortunate pilot picked a bad week to stop sniffing glue.


28 posted on 06/05/2013 5:21:27 AM PDT by stanne
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To: EricT.

As a noo yawkah, let me say, I think you should.


29 posted on 06/05/2013 5:22:43 AM PDT by stanne
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To: stanne

I hate their herd seating. But I like a lot of other things about SW. I prefer Delta.


30 posted on 06/05/2013 5:24:04 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: stanne
Funny how you accept/agree to ticket purchase of the airline how that actually means something.
This is not your local school bus.
31 posted on 06/05/2013 5:24:22 AM PDT by Baseballguy (If we knew what we know now in Oct would we do anything different?)
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To: wideawake

lol


32 posted on 06/05/2013 5:25:16 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: servo1969

“but that he believed adults on the trip who said the students weren’t behaving that badly.”

They were misbehaving...just not that badly. Apparently, the pilot disagreed.


33 posted on 06/05/2013 5:25:28 AM PDT by uptowngirl
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To: Gamecock
“Preliminarily, it does not appear that the action taken by the flight crew was justified,” he said in a statement.”

My first thought when I read this was that it probably says more about the school than the airline.

34 posted on 06/05/2013 5:26:17 AM PDT by IamConservative (The soul of my lifes journey is Liberty!)
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To: yldstrk

I prefer assigned seats and the one-hop to my usual destination, neither of which SW has.

But for safety and efficiency SW. Plus their short notice fares.


35 posted on 06/05/2013 5:28:49 AM PDT by stanne
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To: EricT.
They are the reason that so many people outside the USA have a bad opinion of Americans.

I see.

I guess that's why no one from outside the United States ever visits New York City.

36 posted on 06/05/2013 5:31:27 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: servo1969

Apparently I offended this turkey in a previous thread, and he just can’t keep from violating the FR rules and continues the thread stalking.


37 posted on 06/05/2013 5:39:43 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: servo1969

I know the type. The rules are for other people, not them.


38 posted on 06/05/2013 5:43:32 AM PDT by AppyPappy (Obama: What did I not know and when did I not know it?)
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To: Cowgirl of Justice
Shame on Airtran for rewarding their bad behavior.

I'm confused...AirTran threw the kids off the plane. How was that a reward? Was it because they were still on the ground when they did it?

39 posted on 06/05/2013 5:54:57 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
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To: Cyber Liberty; Cowgirl of Justice
How was that a reward?

They put them on other flights, CL, rather than voiding their tickets. And they also gave them vouchers for a free flight in the future.

I would also point out that many of these teens pulled the victim card and blamed Southwest for being anti-Semitic (nice lashon hara guys), rather than taking responsibility for their own actions.

40 posted on 06/05/2013 6:07:26 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: servo1969

The adult chaperones said “the students weren’t behaving that badly.” I’m sure when you live with poor behavior 180 days in the year in the school, you don’t notice that bad behavior outside the school.


41 posted on 06/05/2013 6:23:20 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: AppyPappy

What happened to Hasidic modesty rules ? Or is that only applicable to a chaste physical appearance and not behavior ? The cell phones should simply have been confiscated....


42 posted on 06/05/2013 6:24:42 AM PDT by erlayman
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To: wideawake

The Hasidim average about six kids per couple!


43 posted on 06/05/2013 6:26:23 AM PDT by Borges
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To: Dilbert56
But if the cell phones can't be used because their transmissions might affect the flight controls, then how much more would a more powerful jammer affect those flight controls.

If you don't get the "hint" after being told two or three times to shut up, sit down, buckle in and turn off the #($( phones you deserve to get tossed. On another thread the school was hinting that the pilot tossed the students because of antisemitism, as if the pilot would have allowed a hundred Episcopalians to run around and use their cell phones during takeoff.

44 posted on 06/05/2013 6:27:41 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Choose one: the yellow and black flag of the Tea Party or the white flag of the Republican Party.)
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To: servo1969

How long before someone accuses the flight crew of anti-Semitism?


45 posted on 06/05/2013 6:28:37 AM PDT by Constitutionalist Conservative (I'm a constitutionalist, not a libertarian. Huge difference.)
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To: servo1969

Lol

Sounds like a comedy skit


46 posted on 06/05/2013 6:28:48 AM PDT by wardaddy (wanna know how my kin felt during Reconstruction in Mississippi, you fixin to find out firsthand)
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To: wideawake; Cowgirl of Justice
They put them on other flights, CL, rather than voiding their tickets. And they also gave them vouchers for a free flight in the future.

Oh, I get it now. Thanks! I agree, they should have just voided the tix. And refuse to sell them new ones unless they agree to split up into a bunch of smaller groups. The only problem I see is the possibility of stranding minors.

47 posted on 06/05/2013 6:30:02 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
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To: erlayman

The cell phones rules are for the goyim.


48 posted on 06/05/2013 6:32:33 AM PDT by AppyPappy (Obama: What did I not know and when did I not know it?)
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To: wideawake

IF the story is correct and it is THE “Yeshiva of Flatbush”, it is definitely NOT ‘ultra-orthodox’ (whatever that means). This would be ‘Modern Orthodox’, as liberal as can be and still claim to be ‘orthodox’.


49 posted on 06/05/2013 6:33:54 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: erlayman
The culture of Hasidism is changing rapidly.

Officially, it never changes.

But in reality, it is getting very interesting very quickly.

Despite the Monsey/New Square experiment.

50 posted on 06/05/2013 6:34:49 AM PDT by wideawake
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