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5 Surprising Facts About Gay Conversion Therapy
LiveScience ^ | June 4, 2013 | Stephanie Pappas

Posted on 06/04/2013 8:15:15 PM PDT by EveningStar

Gay Therapy

Gay conversion therapy, as it is known, supposedly helps gay people overcome same-sex attractions. But mainstream psychologists say the therapy is ineffective, unethical and often harmful, exacerbating anxiety and self-hatred among those treated for what is not a mental disorder.

In 2013, two cases involving the therapy to convert gay people into heterosexuals hit the courts, with one seeking to sue counselors who offer the therapy and the other seeking to defend them.

Here are five things you need to know about the therapy and the current lawsuits.

(Excerpt) Read more at livescience.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: gay; gayconversiontherapy; gaystapo; homofascists; homosexual; homosexualagenda; homosexuality; robertspitzer; sodomhusseinobama; spitzer; therapy
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1 posted on 06/04/2013 8:15:15 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: EveningStar

Other methods included ...snip... estrogen treatments to reduce libido in men,

This explain Mr. Lindsey Graham the Senate.....


2 posted on 06/04/2013 8:22:59 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: EveningStar

This is pro-homosexual propaganda.


3 posted on 06/04/2013 8:23:24 PM PDT by newheart (The worst thing the Left ever did was to convince the world it was not a religion.)
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To: GraceG

This man: JOE DALLAS ( an ex-gay man ), will disagree with this article:

http://www.genesiscounseling.org/


4 posted on 06/04/2013 8:29:56 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: EveningStar

EveningStar promoting the left, in this case the homosexual agenda.


5 posted on 06/04/2013 8:30:35 PM PDT by ansel12 (Social liberalism/libertarianism, empowers, creates and imports, and breeds, economic liberals.)
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To: ansel12

Don’t be so paranoid. I don’t promote the left and I couldn’t care less about any homosexual agenda.


6 posted on 06/04/2013 8:36:00 PM PDT by EveningStar ("What color is the sky in your world?" -- Frasier Crane)
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To: EveningStar

You do promote the left, and you posted this pro-homosexual propaganda.

Stephanie Pappas—””5 Surprising Facts About Gay Conversion Therapy””

Stephanie Pappas—””Why Gay Parents May Be the Best Parents””

Stephanie Pappas—””5 Scientific Reasons Gay Parents Are Awesome””

Stephanie Pappas—””Study Questioning Same-Sex Parenting Draws Fire””


7 posted on 06/04/2013 8:43:58 PM PDT by ansel12 (Social liberalism/libertarianism, empowers, creates and imports, and breeds, economic liberals.)
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To: EveningStar
I know two former homosexuals personally, that went to counseling.
The woman about a year later got married has a bucket full of children and leads a very happy life.
The male was very unsure but became a Born Again Christian and lives a celebrate life.
I also know (acquaintances) several homosexuals who hate who they are.....
8 posted on 06/04/2013 8:44:52 PM PDT by svcw (If you are dead when your heart stops, why aren't you alive when it starts.)
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To: EveningStar

I remember reading how it was done back in the 1950s.
A man was shown photos of naked people. If he only got excited when he saw the photo of a man, he was given an electric shock.

Don’t know if it worked or not but there seemed to be less queers back then. We didn’t even know what they were till we were in our late teens. We always thought a “queer” was a person that was just strange.

When we found out what they were, we had a hard time comprehending it as it just was not right.


9 posted on 06/04/2013 8:44:53 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: EveningStar

Wow, what a fair article.

No mention of the recent studies conducted by New Zealand geneticists that showed sexuality to be extremely fluid.

And of course, the appeal to authority. “The APA says its not an illness, you know!”
The APA are politicized hacks, no more reliable than astrologers. They change their categorization based on protests, not results.

It fits every criteria of a mental illness. Every single one. It is also lethal and immoral. You can judge this condition based on the company it keeps.

Liberace - pederast
Harry Hay - NAMBLA ally
Harvey Milk - chums with Jim Jones


10 posted on 06/04/2013 8:48:32 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: EveningStar

If someone wants to be cured of a vile condition — why stand in their way?


11 posted on 06/04/2013 8:51:32 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: ansel12

Interesting. I did not know about those other three articles by her.

BTW, I just did a search on her and you missed one:

“How Celibate Gay Christians Deal With Desire”


12 posted on 06/04/2013 9:06:29 PM PDT by EveningStar ("What color is the sky in your world?" -- Frasier Crane)
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To: EveningStar

>> I couldnt care less about any homosexual agenda.

Then WTF are you doing here?


13 posted on 06/04/2013 9:08:10 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Gene Eric

I’m certainly not promoting any.


14 posted on 06/04/2013 9:10:46 PM PDT by EveningStar ("What color is the sky in your world?" -- Frasier Crane)
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To: EveningStar

You should know something about her, you have posted at least five articles by this lefty and pro-homosexual activist writer.


15 posted on 06/04/2013 9:12:36 PM PDT by ansel12 (Social liberalism/libertarianism, empowers, creates and imports, and breeds, economic liberals.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
"When we found out what they were, we had a hard time comprehending it as it just was not right.

That was me at age 14 (ah, sweet innocence). I was 14 before I knew homosexuality existed. At 15 I came across the first homosexual ever. He was about 40 years old and assaulted one of my best friends, and went to prison. A few years later, I was assaulted by another unhappy gay. So, yeah, I admit to being "homophobic."

16 posted on 06/04/2013 9:13:16 PM PDT by cookcounty (IRS = Internal Revenge Service.)
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To: EveningStar; Gene Eric

You posting this thread by this pro-homosexual, activist writer, was promoting the homosexual agenda.


17 posted on 06/04/2013 9:14:42 PM PDT by ansel12 (Social liberalism/libertarianism, empowers, creates and imports, and breeds, economic liberals.)
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To: EveningStar

Homosexual agenda troll.


18 posted on 06/04/2013 9:16:09 PM PDT by kaehurowing
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To: EveningStar

It’s not a requirement to hate homosexuals to oppose the canonical Homosexual Agenda which, by the way, is extremely deleterious for Liberty if you didn’t already know that.


19 posted on 06/04/2013 9:23:30 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: ansel12

I found six. This one is the first I posted by her that deals with homosexuality.

I’ve posted quite a few articles from LiveScience by various authors.


20 posted on 06/04/2013 9:28:45 PM PDT by EveningStar ("What color is the sky in your world?" -- Frasier Crane)
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To: EveningStar

LiveScience aka dead science.

“Psychology” is rather feeble when faced with a spiritual problem. Paraphilias are spiritual problems.


21 posted on 06/04/2013 9:32:20 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Whatever promise that God has made, in Jesus it is yes. See my page.)
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To: EveningStar

Oh it most certainly is, and always has been a mental disorder.


22 posted on 06/04/2013 9:32:37 PM PDT by Bullish (Psalm 46)
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To: Bullish

It is larger: a spiritual disorder. The reduction of the human spirit to mere psychology is one of the biggest disasters of modernism. Biologically provable influences apart (and there’s nothing inherently wrong with compassionate use of psych drugs) — it’s like trying to fix a car with, not a whole toolkit, but a dull knife.


23 posted on 06/04/2013 9:36:10 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Whatever promise that God has made, in Jesus it is yes. See my page.)
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To: ansel12

I’d rather study relativity than make sense of this position.


24 posted on 06/04/2013 9:37:46 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: EveningStar

That’s what I said, you should be familiar with this lefty writer after posting so many of her articles.

You handpicked this article promoting the homosexual agenda from a lame, homosexual activist, writer.


25 posted on 06/04/2013 9:39:11 PM PDT by ansel12 (Social liberalism/libertarianism, empowers, creates and imports, and breeds, economic liberals.)
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To: ansel12

The title might be misleading or need a barf alert and so? Ask for the barf alert and move on. Most freepers are smart enough to delve a little to see what’s up.


26 posted on 06/04/2013 9:41:09 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Whatever promise that God has made, in Jesus it is yes. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I don’t need to ignore posts made to me and stay off the thread, unless that was some kind of order.


27 posted on 06/04/2013 9:43:22 PM PDT by ansel12 (Social liberalism/libertarianism, empowers, creates and imports, and breeds, economic liberals.)
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To: ansel12

A suggestion that you do something constructive if something’s misleading. Not just sit and gnaw and gnaw.


28 posted on 06/04/2013 9:44:28 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Whatever promise that God has made, in Jesus it is yes. See my page.)
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To: EveningStar

LiveScience is DeadSpirituality.


29 posted on 06/04/2013 9:45:43 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Whatever promise that God has made, in Jesus it is yes. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Why don’t you quit gnawing at nothing, and get back to your own life?


30 posted on 06/04/2013 9:49:29 PM PDT by ansel12 (Social liberalism/libertarianism, empowers, creates and imports, and breeds, economic liberals.)
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To: EveningStar
Do queers really want to bring up the subject of the nonscientific way that homosexuality was remove from the DSM? Really?

Do they really want us to remind them that it was a political charade devoid of scientific facts, instead relying on two shaky "studies," one by a homosexual pedophile who studied pathological prison populations and the rape of small children and the other by a politically motivated hack who merely interviewed her homosexual friends and gave them Rorschach tests to determine psychological health?

Do they really want us to bring up the well-documented extreme harassment of APA members over years, the deceit employed in the voting process, and the bizarre, obscene behavior of activist homosexuals as they took over APA conventions and meetings?

Do they really think any of this is normal?

31 posted on 06/04/2013 9:50:45 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: svcw
I also know (acquaintances) several homosexuals who hate who they are.....

You know that's our fault, don't you? (/sarc)

32 posted on 06/04/2013 9:52:00 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: EveningStar

Well, Star, I did look. It looks like a rather lightweight, cherry picked critique which, furthermore, mostly dealt with psychology-based rather than spirituality-based counseling. Spirituality, when tied into a small-o orthodox Christian faith, can be quite powerful. Homosexuality or other paraphilia can be a spiritual “flat tire” permitted by a God who is interested in saving an entire soul. The person thus helped isn’t going to bother being interviewed by atheistic or weak-God scientists any more than the blind man who Jesus gave his sight would bother.


33 posted on 06/04/2013 9:55:01 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Whatever promise that God has made, in Jesus it is yes. See my page.)
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To: ansel12

Your own petty pot shot shows you have nothing better... look at what I just told Star, if you want to see something constructive.


34 posted on 06/04/2013 9:55:41 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Whatever promise that God has made, in Jesus it is yes. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

That’s nice, now maybe you can get back to the thread and quit gnawing at me and let me read the constructive posts on this Eveningstar handpicked article promoting the homosexual agenda.


35 posted on 06/04/2013 10:04:44 PM PDT by ansel12 (Social liberalism/libertarianism, empowers, creates and imports, and breeds, economic liberals.)
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To: ansel12

Jesus’ work is... NICE?

Is this your level?


36 posted on 06/04/2013 10:08:14 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Whatever promise that God has made, in Jesus it is yes. See my page.)
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To: cookcounty
My first comprehension of a homosexual, although I didn't know it until after the fact, was with a renter of my family's garage apartment. Older man who worked up the street at an Episcopal Church in the neighborhood as a grounds keeper/maintenance man. He eventually moved out, didn't know where, and soon after learned that he had been murdered. In my tender young years, I had never known anyone who had been murdered before. I overheard the whisperings of my parents and their friends that he had taken up with some other men, and that they had likely killed him. I also heard some other talk that seemed unsavory in my innocence, something about sexuality. I never delved any further.

Forth through fifth grade. Had a high-black male math teacher who dressed "fabulously" and was extremely flamboyant - neck scarf, satin shirts and all. One of the most hateful men I'd ever met up until that point. He would literally beat students with a ruler and holler at them. I was petrified of him.

Also had a band teacher in High School who liked to touch my developing peach fuzz mustache. Lived alone in my neighborhood. Later found out that he had been murdered.

Another high school teacher, a humanities teacher, was probably in his 50's. He disappeared abruptly from teaching and we learned that he died, apparently from some disease. This was in the early 80's.

Yeah, these people are all SO normal.

37 posted on 06/04/2013 10:11:43 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Good Lord , have you become my stalker?

You want to jump on the thread and go after me in behalf of Evening star?

Weird, now you do troll baiting and try to use Jesus?

You really are acting bizarre, and how I became your obsession is a puzzle, but there must be some thread from the past that you are carrying around, you should share it with me so I know what kind of odd stalker I’m dealing with.


38 posted on 06/04/2013 10:14:21 PM PDT by ansel12 (Social liberalism/libertarianism, empowers, creates and imports, and breeds, economic liberals.)
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To: ansel12

OK, you complained about a hinky situation. Fair enough. But that’s about as far as you could constructively get.

I am not some casual flinger-arounder of the name of Jesus. Go to my freep page and read it and then I dare you to say that again to me with a straight face.


39 posted on 06/04/2013 10:21:18 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Whatever promise that God has made, in Jesus it is yes. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Wow, you are in the Ozone tonight, just rambling and raging, and angry as all get out that I posted to Evening Star and using Jesus to do it even.

You need to get a grip on yourself, you might want to go look at your first arrogant post to me and take your own advice, while I try to get back to the thread topic, the article, the lefty author, and responding to the thread poster.


40 posted on 06/04/2013 10:27:32 PM PDT by ansel12 (Social liberalism/libertarianism, empowers, creates and imports, and breeds, economic liberals.)
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To: ansel12

You project mightily when you accuse me of rambling and raging.

Stop and look at your own soul calmly in a mirror.


41 posted on 06/04/2013 10:30:48 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Whatever promise that God has made, in Jesus it is yes. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I can’t believe that this thread enraged you so at me, and made a blind, raging stalker out of you.

Since whatever is going on is in your head, there isn’t much I can do, or respond to, you wanted to hijack the thread to get on a rage against me, but since it is all a personal rage, evidently from some past thread that I’m not aware of, there just isn’t anything political or relevant for me to work with to figure out what is driving you.

It would be nice if you could turn yourself off and get back to the thread.

This long sustained diatribe and pursuit of yours, makes your first post to me, post 26, all the weirder, evidently it was intended as an order to get off the thread and not challenge the article.


42 posted on 06/04/2013 10:38:33 PM PDT by ansel12 (Social liberalism/libertarianism, empowers, creates and imports, and breeds, economic liberals.)
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To: ansel12

Blind? Angry?

I’m just saddened. You tell me get a life. I have a Life. I want everyone else to have a Life too.

You’re seeing “Angry” through distorted glasses.

God bless you.


43 posted on 06/04/2013 10:44:47 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Whatever promise that God has made, in Jesus it is yes. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

No, I can see your anger because of you coming out of nowhere, for no reason, and getting on the thread to start attacking me, using the name of jesus and raging about checking into you more at your homepage, and just raging at me for post after post.

I have zero idea of what is going on here, or what is driving you for post after post, I don’t see a political reason, or anything related to the thread topic, it is really bizarre, and passionate, it is unexplained anger, mystifying, all personal raging with no political or topic connection.


44 posted on 06/04/2013 10:51:00 PM PDT by ansel12 (Social liberalism/libertarianism, empowers, creates and imports, and breeds, economic liberals.)
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To: EveningStar
But mainstream psychologists say the therapy is ineffective, unethical and often harmful, exacerbating anxiety and self-hatred among those treated for what is not a mental disorder.

Of course they do especially since they now make big bucks convincing them that gay is normal, since they changed their own diagnosis of theabnormality, of homosexuality.

45 posted on 06/04/2013 11:55:44 PM PDT by itsahoot (It is not so much that history repeats, but that human nature does not change.)
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To: ansel12

Just because people post articles by lefties doesn’t mean they support or agree with them!

The job FR posters is to expose what these people are up to and critique their arguments. Posting multiple articles by this person shows us what she is about.

You appear to be going slightly berserk on Star and HiTech. YOU appear to be the angry stalker.


46 posted on 06/05/2013 2:42:25 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: EveningStar

Sorry, I personally know people who experimented with their sexuality as young people and who landed on their feet. Human sexuality is complex and subject to all kinds of things, and sometimes gets intertwined with addictive disorders. Therefore, yes, it is tougher for some than for others to control. But, it is still a continuum.


47 posted on 06/05/2013 4:42:28 AM PDT by Redmen4ever
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To: EveningStar

It really comes down to accepting Gods design and not rebelling against it. Like any other sin, we have to ask God to heal us, and to help us be victorious over the besetting sin, the practice of homosexuality is the sin, not the feelings.

Heal me, LORD, and I will be healed; save me and I will be saved, for you are the one I praise. Jer 17:14


48 posted on 06/05/2013 8:27:24 AM PDT by ThisLittleLightofMine
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To: Right Wing Assault

EveningStar is a well known liberal troll, and has a habit for posting liberal friendly threads, and I don’t see the redeeming value in this thread, as you evidently do.


49 posted on 06/05/2013 12:35:57 PM PDT by ansel12 (Social liberalism/libertarianism, empowers, creates and imports, and breeds, economic liberals.)
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To: ansel12

As long as you keep critiquing me, especially erroneously, do you expect NOT to get answers?


50 posted on 06/05/2013 7:01:38 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Whatever promise that God has made, in Jesus it is yes. See my page.)
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