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Priest cuts ties to Boy Scouts over gay scout decision (WA)
KING 5 News (Seattle) ^ | 5/28/2013

Posted on 05/29/2013 6:26:28 AM PDT by llevrok

BREMERTON, Wash. -- On the heels of a historic decision by the Boy Scouts of America, a local priest is making history of his own. He's among the first in the country to cut all ties to the scouts, now that the organization has agreed to allow openly gay members.

Father Derek Lappe is the priest at Our Lady Star of the Sea in Bremerton.

For years, the church has served as the chartering organization for BSA Troop 1501 in Kitsap County.

"We do things like scout Sunday at mass, the boys are just very much a part of our parish and the life of our parish," he said.

It's a partnership he's now ending, because of the Boy Scout's latest policy change.

"It was a very difficult decision, it's a very sad thing, with the long legacy we have of scouting in this parish," he said.

Ultimately, Lappe says the new scouting policy just doesn't align with the values and teachings of the Catholic Church.

"My concern is this definition of a young man, a 10 to 18 year old boy as "openly gay" or "openly homosexual"," he said. "How is that supposed to be lived out within what we believe as Catholics and what we teach about Catholics."

The priest met with scoutmasters and parents of the affected troop on Sunday. He says he asked for their feedback, and they were supportive and understanding of his decision.

Lappe also posted an explanation for his change of heart on the church's website and facebook page.

He says he understands that not everyone may agree with him.

"There's going to be a lot of good people who that that I'm wrong and that think my decision is backwards and not going to be helpful at all, and I can certainly understand that position," he said.

KING 5 spoke to at least one family with a child in Troop 1501, who was critical of the change but did not want to appear on camera.

Steve Rinehart, who is a Kitsap County resident, an eagle scout, and supporter of the group Scouts For Equality, said the priest's stance is disappointing.

"I think anyone ought to be able to be a scout," he said. "Gay, straight, it doesn't matter, and by quitting the program, canceling the program there, they have taken away scouting for a group of boys, and I think that's very unfortunate and downright sad."

Scouts For Equality plans to work with the BSA Chief Seattle Council to make sure every scout in Troop 1501 has another troop to take part in, if they so choose.

The National Catholic Committee on Scouting issued a statement after last week's vote, saying that since the change in policy will not take effect until January of 2014, they have time to study its full effects. The council wants to learn more about how it will impact Catholic chartered Scout units and activities.

Laffe says he never intended to be among the first priests to cut all ties with the boy scouts.

Still, he doesn't think he'll be the last. He says he's already gotten calls from other churches, seeking advice as they prepare to take similar steps.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: boyscouts; bsa; homosexualagenda; scouting; scouts
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1 posted on 05/29/2013 6:26:28 AM PDT by llevrok
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To: Baynative

WA state ping


2 posted on 05/29/2013 6:26:49 AM PDT by llevrok (I am the "Face Of The Wild, Nasty Hard-Right Fringe")
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To: llevrok

I’m thinking the BSA will go the way of the openly gay TV shows.


3 posted on 05/29/2013 6:28:18 AM PDT by MulberryDraw (That which cannot be paid, won't be paid.)
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To: llevrok
they have taken away scouting for a group of boys

Maybe LGBT orgs should be hosting BSA troops /s

This whole thing may blow up in the face of BSA.

4 posted on 05/29/2013 6:30:34 AM PDT by ThomasMore (Islam is the Whore of Babylon!)
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To: MulberryDraw

Soon to be known as the gsa.


5 posted on 05/29/2013 6:31:29 AM PDT by MestaMachine
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To: MulberryDraw

“I’m thinking the BSA will go the way of the openly gay TV shows.”

or JC Penny.


6 posted on 05/29/2013 6:31:58 AM PDT by 2001convSVT (Going Galt as fast as I can.)
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To: llevrok

Another cultural institution lost to liberal madness.


7 posted on 05/29/2013 6:33:25 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Pi$$ed off yet?)
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To: llevrok
Steve Rinehart, who is a Kitsap County resident, an eagle scout, and supporter of the group Scouts For Equality, perversion and self-destruction.

Repent, Steve Rinehart! Your dedication to depravity will destroy you!

8 posted on 05/29/2013 6:35:52 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: llevrok

He identified the problem: this policy “proclaims” young boys to be homosexuals and identifies them or encourages them to identify themselves this way. Aside from the fact that this is totally outside of the purpose of the organization, it changes a long standing policy of not even inquiring about such things but instead simply prohibiting sexual activity in scouting activities, which effectively dealt with any problems the boys might have in that area.

But the whole purpose of this change is to force “gayness” and its acceptance on both the organization and the individual boys. And this is something that churches cannot accept.


9 posted on 05/29/2013 6:38:53 AM PDT by livius
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To: llevrok
Don't worry. There are probably some Metropolitan Community Churches in the area who will be more than willing to sponsor Boy Scout troops.


10 posted on 05/29/2013 6:39:47 AM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: Fiji Hill
There are probably some Metropolitan Community Churches in the area who will be more than willing to sponsor Boy Scout troops.

Not familiar with that group ... is it a faggot "church" that will sponsor Faggot Scout troops?

11 posted on 05/29/2013 6:41:51 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: llevrok
I wonder if the BSA organization has upped its Insurance liability policies? They are going to need it. Once the gays become entrenched we are going to start seeing lawsuits from former scouts about being molested.
12 posted on 05/29/2013 6:42:20 AM PDT by martinidon
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To: llevrok
"I think anyone ought to be able to be a scout," he said. "Gay, straight, it doesn't matter, and by quitting the program, canceling the program there, they have taken away scouting for a group of boys, and I think that's very unfortunate and downright sad."

No, Scouting should not be for "anyone". Scouting should only be for those who can honestly take an oath to do their "duty to God" and to be "morally straight". Scouting should only be for those who can set the Scout Law as a standard toward which he will always strive. As for Scouts who are openly gay, no Scout should have a sex life, nor should a Scout celebrate conduct that violates worldwide traditions and taboos. I hope decent people will establish a new organization with merit badges; outdoor activities; physical, mental, and moral development; leadership; and service, but without the celebration of perversion that is creeping into BSA.

13 posted on 05/29/2013 6:42:33 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: 2001convSVT

JC Penney sells BSA uniforms....


14 posted on 05/29/2013 6:46:33 AM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: llevrok

Isn’t there a new type of Boy Scouts that has just emerged - I saw it here a few days ago...I think it was The Scouts of Saint George...http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3024508/posts


15 posted on 05/29/2013 6:46:47 AM PDT by BCW (http://babylonscovertwar.com/index.html - A real life experience book about the war in Iraq)
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To: Pollster1

Willing to bet Rinehaet is gay...


16 posted on 05/29/2013 6:47:19 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: llevrok
Fundamentally speaking, NO ADULT in any private organization has any business at all instructing someone else's minor children that sexual intercourse is acceptable behavior.

The National Council, alas, did exactly that with their vote. They must be treated as the pedophiles and pedophile enablers they ARE!

17 posted on 05/29/2013 6:50:09 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: ArrogantBustard
"I think anyone ought to be able to be a scout," he said. "Gay, straight, it doesn't matter, and by quitting the program, canceling the program there, they have taken away scouting for a group of boys, and I think that's very unfortunate and downright sad."

Preaching "diversity" without moral limits is akin to trying to tame a beast from the wild... you know the saying, "you can take a beast out of the wild, but you can't take the wild out of the beast". You may want to show how kind you can be to such and unlovable creature, but the creature only sees an easy meal. So sorry, but you may not indoctrinate my child... and I do not feel bad for rejecting your desire to be "inclusive".

18 posted on 05/29/2013 6:53:57 AM PDT by dps.inspect (rage against the Obama machine...)
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To: llevrok
The National Catholic Committee on Scouting issued a statement after last week's vote, saying that since the change in policy will not take effect until January of 2014, they have time to study its full effects. The council wants to learn more about how it will impact Catholic chartered Scout units and activities.

How will they study the full effects of a policy they just said will not take effect for another 8 months?

19 posted on 05/29/2013 6:55:42 AM PDT by loboinok (Gun control is hitting what you aim at!)
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To: muawiyah

A very wise person once said here on FR: “There’s only one reason adults want to teach children about homosexuality.”


20 posted on 05/29/2013 6:57:18 AM PDT by Kharis13 (That noise you hear is our Founding Fathers spinning in their graves.)
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To: llevrok

I don’t know the ins and outs of this gay Boy Scout BS, But I read somewhere that one of the reasons they voted for gays was because United Givers Fund refused to give them any money if they didn’t allow gays.

First don’t give 10 cents to United Way or United Givers Fund.

But how in the hell did the United Givers fund check make up for the thousands that now will abandon the Scouts.

60% voted to go Homo, I suspect among that 60% were a lot of closet Homo’s


21 posted on 05/29/2013 6:57:56 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: dps.inspect
they have taken away scouting for a group of boys, and I think that's very unfortunate and downright sad."

"Very unfortunate and downright sad"??? What a simpering pansy he is! Pervert Steve Rinehart and his repulsive comrades have inflicted foul depravity on the Boy Scouts of America; that's outrageous and and disgusting.

22 posted on 05/29/2013 6:58:40 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Pollster1
No, Scouting should not be for "anyone". Scouting should only be for those who can honestly take an oath to do their "duty to God" and to be "morally straight".

It is sad, but I have to laugh when I see an organization inflict such a fatal head wound on itself. The term "boy scout" is often used to describe someone who is above the temptations and moral equivocations that plague most people, e.g. "you're such a 'boy scout'" Now the term 'boy scout' means.....nothing.

23 posted on 05/29/2013 7:00:57 AM PDT by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: llevrok

http://www.libertynews.com/2013/05/300-boy-scout-families-lose-sponsor-kentucky-mega-church-backs-out-of-boy-scout-program-in-response-to-gay-troop-controversy/

Next is LDS.


24 posted on 05/29/2013 7:04:32 AM PDT by Clint N. Suhks (0bama called in the Marines to hold his umbrella but wouldn't to protect our ambassador in Benghazi)
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LDS will not walk away ~ they're 30% of the program AND they are sufficiently large to operate rather autonomously. Then, too, they have thousands of Mormon kids out there banging on doors as missionaries and they don't want the homosexuals attacking them.

Remember, GAY MARRIAGE was invented by Mitt Romney!

25 posted on 05/29/2013 7:08:49 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Kharis13

Exactly: Every place homosexuality is required to be “accepted” it is then taught. That is the purpose of homosexual acceptance: Recruitment.


26 posted on 05/29/2013 7:09:04 AM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: ArrogantBustard
is it a faggot "church" ?

It sure is!

27 posted on 05/29/2013 7:11:31 AM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: llevrok

“I think anyone ought to be able to be a scout,” he said. “Gay, straight, it doesn’t matter, and by quitting the program, canceling the program there, they have taken away scouting for a group of boys, and I think that’s very unfortunate and downright sad.”

They still don’t get it, you could always be a scout, it is about openly celebrating something that has no place in scouts, sexuality and basic right of assembly.


28 posted on 05/29/2013 7:12:05 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: Sans-Culotte

Probably the most common criticism I received in business was that I was too much of a Boy Scout. I always took that as a compliment - and permanently refused to do business with anyone who considered that a flaw.


29 posted on 05/29/2013 7:13:36 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: llevrok

I can see the government saying that any church that withdraws support for BSA over the gay issue will be subject to intense IRS audit and forfeiting of their tax-exempt status as a “hate” group.


30 posted on 05/29/2013 7:15:18 AM PDT by rusty schucklefurd
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To: muawiyah
Mormon kids out there banging on doors as missionaries and they don't want the homosexuals attacking them.

Yeah, they should be afraid of 2% of the population.

31 posted on 05/29/2013 7:15:29 AM PDT by Clint N. Suhks (0bama called in the Marines to hold his umbrella but wouldn't to protect our ambassador in Benghazi)
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To: llevrok

This is my old pastor. He’s a great guy and a fine priest. I’m not surprised he would be one of the first to stand up to this garbage.


32 posted on 05/29/2013 7:15:48 AM PDT by B Knotts (Just another Tenther)
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To: Clint N. Suhks
Yeah, they should be afraid of .34% of the population (1/3 of 1%) because there's this crowd who are into attacking religious institutions and personnel.

You visit 1000 homes you will find 3 or 4 of them!

33 posted on 05/29/2013 7:17:05 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: MulberryDraw

Hit the BSA where it count. The wallet.


34 posted on 05/29/2013 7:18:10 AM PDT by DMG2FUN
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To: llevrok; Just Lori; Libertina; Lexinom; horatio; freebird5850; Horatio Gates; Ramius; ...
WA Ping


This was always a win-win situation for liberals. Either they get to infiltrate the scouts with gays, or they kill the organization altogether.

35 posted on 05/29/2013 7:20:41 AM PDT by Baynative (Lord, keep one hand on my shoulder and the other over my mouth.)
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To: muawiyah

That’s why their missionaries always travel in pairs. For the 3 or 4 out of 1000.


36 posted on 05/29/2013 7:22:05 AM PDT by Clint N. Suhks (0bama called in the Marines to hold his umbrella but wouldn't to protect our ambassador in Benghazi)
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To: llevrok

“I think anyone ought to be able to be a scout,” he said. “Gay, straight, it doesn’t matter, and by quitting the program, canceling the program there, they have taken away scouting for a group of boys, and I think that’s very unfortunate and downright sad.”

Then it’s just a vote away from allowing girls in the boy scouts. 15-17 year old boys in charge of younger kids of the gender they are sexually attracted to isn’t a problem. Male and female sexuality has the same level of force at that age; everyone knows that. Male on male sexuality is the same as male on female and female on female, you can tell by all the heterosexuals and lesbians prowling the parks at 3 AM for free and consensual anonymous sex in the bushes.

Freegards


37 posted on 05/29/2013 7:24:29 AM PDT by Ransomed
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To: llevrok

Well, a Catholic Priest is first out of the gate. Where are the conservative Protestant clergy on this issue?

Truthfully, it is better to strike early and in force, than to delay and “study the issue”, because there is nothing to study, and the BSA needs a firm and unyielding message that this decision was a terrible mistake and must be undone, or the cost to their organization will be tremendous—far more than what their liberal corporate sponsors contribute.

The action, if made soon and in force, is made *not* to destroy the BSA, but to save it. If they must lose hundreds or thousands of meeting areas for troops, and a vast amount of money and volunteer support, they *will* notice.

Just as importantly, insiders to the organization must let the public know how much the BSA is being punished for its cowardice. The BSA will *not* want to reveal how much revenue it has lost, nor how many troops are now homeless and likely to break up, nor any of the other consequences of its action, so that information must be leaked out.


38 posted on 05/29/2013 7:41:55 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: Sans-Culotte
A "boy scout" (in that metaphorical sense) is someone with a clear, identifiable, comprehensible, "moral" Code of Morals that serves as first principles to guide his actions.

It should be considered a compliment.

The Boy Scouts of America organization has thrown that away.

39 posted on 05/29/2013 7:47:09 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

There was a thread yesterday about a Baptist (?IIRC) church in Kentucky telling BSA to jump in a lake over this faggotry. So we Christians are definitely in this together.


40 posted on 05/29/2013 7:49:23 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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Meet Our Pastor

Father Derek Lappe has been the pastor of Our Lady Star of the Sea in our beautiful Bremerton since July 1, 2008. Born in 1972, the second of five children, Father Lappe spent most of his youth in Longview, Washington and attended St. Rose de Viterbo parish. He discovered his vocation to the priesthood when he was a sophomore in high school. Through prayer and study his love for Christ and the Church grew and helped him to say yes to God's plan for his life.

After high school Father Lappe attended community college for a couple of years before being accepted as a seminarian for the Archdiocese of Seattle and entered Mount Angel Seminary. In 1996, Archbishop Murphy sent him to Rome to study Theology at the Pontifical North American College. On June 10, 2000, he was ordained to the priesthood by Archbishop Alexander Brunett.

After his ordination, Father Lappe served as an associate pastor in Grays Harbor for one year, at St. Charles in Tacoma for one year, as pastor of St. Thomas Aquinas in Camas for six years, and is now in his third year at Our Lady Star of the Sea.

He loves his life as a priest and the people whom he serves, which is evident in the manner in which he opens the scriptures and teaches his flock the Truth of Christianity. He also has a great appreciation for the beauty of Sacred Liturgy, Music, and Art. In his leisure he enjoys salmon and steelhead fishing along with archery elk hunting.

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Fr. Lappe's Response to New Boy Scouts

Written by Father Derek Lappe

Sunday, 26 May 2013 12:53

May 26th, 2013
Solemnity of the Most Holy Trinity

Dear Parishioners of Our Lady Star of the Sea,

Although I am not at all surprised, I am certainly disappointed in the recent decision of the Boy Scouts of America to change their membership policy. The incredible legacy of the Boy Scouts of America and the amount of good they have done for so many years, creates a particular sadness that they would compromise the good of their mission and the good of the boys they serve for the sake of political correctness.

The exact policy change is this: “to remove the restriction denying membership to youth on the basis of sexual orientation alone.” That is to say that those young men aged 10 to 18 who identify themselves as “gay” or “homosexual” will not be excluded from scouting based on the fact of that self-identification.

I do not feel that it is possible for us to live out, and to teach, the authentic truth about human sexuality within the confines of the Boy Scout’s new policy and so I would like to give an explanation as to why it will be necessary for our parish to part ways with the New Boy Scouts.

For many years we have seen headlines that proclaim a genetic origin for homosexuality. Various groups in concert with a willing media have tried to convince people that being “gay” is a genetically defined trait, as if being sexually attracted to a person of the same sex is no different an expression of DNA than one’s height or the color of one’s skin. The reality however, is that there is nothing scientific or logical in such a position.

The genesis of same-sex attraction is much more complicated. As the Catholic Medical Association pointed out in their document, Homosexuality and Hope (November, 2000):

“Individuals experience same-sex attractions for different reasons. While there are similarities in the patterns of development, each individual has a unique, personal history. In the histories of persons who experience same-sex attraction, one frequently finds one or more of the following:

•Alienation from the father in early childhood, because the father was perceived as hostile or distant, violent or alcoholic, (Apperson 1968 ; Bene 1965 ; Bieber 1962 ; Fisher 1996 ; Pillard 1988 ; Sipova 1983 )

•Mother was overprotective (boys), (Bieber, T. 1971 ; Bieber 1962 ; Snortum 1969 )

•Mother was needy and demanding (boys), (Fitzgibbons 1999 )

•Mother emotionally unavailable (girls), (Bradley 1997 ; Eisenbud 1982 )

•Parents failed to encourage same-sex identification, (Zucker 1995 )

•Lack of rough and tumble play (boys), (Friedman 1980 ; Hadden 1967a )

•Failure to identify with same/sex peers, (Hockenberry 1987 ; Whitman 1977 )

•Dislike of team sports (boys), (Thompson 1973 )

•Lack of hand/eye coordination and resultant teasing by peers (boys), (Bailey 1993 ; Fitzgibbons 1999 ; Newman 1976 )

•Sexual abuse or rape, (Beitchman 1991 ; Bradley 1997 ; Engel 1981 ; Finkelhor 1984; Gundlach 1967 )

•Social phobia or extreme shyness, (Golwyn 1993 )

•Parental loss through death or divorce, (Zucker 1995)

•Separation from parent during critical developmental stages. (Zucker 1995)

Through no fault of their own, through the breakdown of families, through the failures of society at large young people can find themselves struggling with same-sex attraction. The question is, what is the best way to help them? How do we offer hope and healing?

The New Boy Scouts are basically offering a program of ratifying a label of “gay”, which the young man has placed on himself, and which so many elements of society also are happy to place on him.

A survey was done to poll the scouting community as to their opinions concerning the possibility of a policy change, following is one of the questions (the questions were extremely leading, as you can see):

Tom started in the program as a Tiger Cub, and finished every requirement for the Eagle Scout Award at 16 years of age. At his board of review Tom reveals that he is gay. Is it acceptable or unacceptable for the review board to deny his Eagle Scout award based on that admission?"

Pretty obvious what answer they are looking for.

Based on the more scientific and research backed approach of the Catholic Medical Association here would be a series of more pointed questions which would actually get to the issues that could lead to hope and healing for the boy, rather than imprisoning him in that self-identification for the sake of political correctness:

Tom’s father was an alcoholic; he abandoned the family when Tom was five. To compensate, Tom’s mother was overprotective and began to depend upon Tom even from a very young age. Because of this, Tom never got to play with other boys his age and never played sports. Tom was molested by one of his mother’s boyfriends. Since the age of 12 Tom has been confused about his sexual desires and fantasies and thinks he might be gay. Is all of this acceptable? Should we all tell Tom that this is normal? Should we affirm that this 16 year old boy is, in fact, “gay”?

Or should we not have the courage and the love to stand up and say this is a tragedy, an all too common heartbreaking disaster? Should we not admit that it is sad and wrong from beginning to end– and that we are going to do everything we can to help kids like Tom?

Our Lady Star of the Sea parish and our youth programs are willing to accept Tom as a casualty in the disaster that is so often the modern family. We are willing to accept him as confused, as unsure of his masculinity, as having had a hard life, as a kid who needs help, compassion, love, mentoring, guidance – and most importantly we are willing to share the love and healing of Jesus Christ with him. But I’m not willing to put the definitive label “gay” on him.

The CMA document continues with some very important points, which guide my thinking on this issue:

“While a number of studies have shown that children who have been sexually abused, children exhibiting the symptoms of GID (gender identification disorder), and boys with chronic juvenile unmasculinity are at risk for same-sex attractions in adolescence and adulthood, it is important to note that a significant percentage of these children do not become homosexually active as adults. (Green 1985 ; Bradley 1998)

For some, negative childhood experiences are overcome by later positive interactions. Some make a conscious decision to turn away from temptation. The presence and the power of God's grace, while not always measurable, cannot be discounted as a factor in helping an at-risk individual turn away from same-sex attraction. The labeling of an adolescent, or worse a child, as unchangeably "homosexual" does the individual a grave disservice. Such adolescents or children can, with appropriate, positive intervention, be given proper guidance to deal with early emotional traumas.”

So what are we going to do?

Our parish cannot be involved with a group that has decided to ratify or approve the self-identification of a 10-18 year old boy as “gay” or “homosexual”. To me it is cruel, and abusive and absolutely contrary to the Gospel to in any way confirm a teenager in the confusion of same-sex attraction, which is what the New Boy Scout policy will do.

And so, we are going to redouble our efforts to create a community that is supportive of happy, healthy, holy marriages. In our marriage preparation we are going to try to get women to stop marrying such loser men who will never be capable of being good dads and husbands, and vice versa. We are going to teach the full truth of human sexuality – especially the truth about contraception as the greatest destroyer of marriage and family life.

We are going to continue to preach the truth from natural law and Sacred Scripture that kids should have a mom and a dad who love each other and who love them – that kids do best in that environment. But we are also going to try to help the great number of families, who, through no fault of their own, or through past mistakes find themselves in difficult situations and in less than optimal circumstances – and we are going to do our best to help them and to provide whatever we can for them to be as successful as possible. We are going to try to provide family activities for moms and dads, single parents, divorced parents, grandparents raising their grandkids – really for anyone who is striving to live the Catholic faith in the mixed up mess of a modern world that we live in.

We are going to provide youth activities for any and all youth. And in our programs we will have strong mentors, good examples of Christian men and women; we will teach the Gospel; we will challenge kids to live the virtues; we will teach the truth in a very confused world; and we will invite our youth into a friendship with Jesus Christ that can heal any past hurts. Our current Fraternus and Fidelis programs are well equipped to help cultivate authentically masculine and feminine identities. We will also develop new programs to help replace what we will be losing from the legacy of Scouting.

I am very aware that my objection to the change in the New Boy Scouts is increasingly considered bigoted and backward. I know that there are many good people within the Catholic Church who will disagree with me. I am aware that in many people’s minds “homosexual” identity is the new civil-rights issue and that there has been huge swing in public opinion on this issue over the past few years.

But I won’t put public opinion ahead of the good of the boys and young men in my parish, and I won’t pretend that polls can trump the truths about sexuality and humanity that are revealed to us, first of all by natural law, and confirmed in Sacred Scripture and the teaching of the Catholic Church.

In Christ,

Fr. Derek Lappe
Pastor of Our Lady Star of the Sea

41 posted on 05/29/2013 8:12:26 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro can't pass E-verify)
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To: llevrok

Just the beginning...

http://exposingtheleft.blogspot.com/2013/05/300-boy-scout-families-lose-sponsor.html


42 posted on 05/29/2013 8:15:42 AM PDT by traderrob6
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To: Venturer

71% of the Chartered Organizations were against it, yet 60% of the 1400 delegates were for it.

The Chartered Orgs, like the Catholic Church, LDS, etc, own Scouting. They fund it, they assume the legal risk for the Troops and Packs. National owns the logo, the curriculum, etc.

This isn’t over. The exodus will be epic.

My fear is this - Baden Powell’s vision had NOTHING to do with religion. He founded a WORLD movement across creeds. His experience in war was that across enemy lines there was common ground IF your enemy had the humility to recognize that there was a supreme being - someone greater than themselves.

Where this was NOT the case, there really could be no shared set of values.

The idea of a ‘Christian’ Boy Scouts is a betrayal of his original vision. The biggest reason this movement worked as well as it did is that it avoided BOTH politics AND religion for 100 years.

The current clown car in charge at national failed on this point.

They could have just said that there was insufficient solid scientific and social information available to make a change at this time and kept on keeping on. They would have had less money, but they would have kept Baden Powell’s movement alive.

I was on an outing when I got a call from another church with a Pack and a Troop that is going to bug out for a Christian version of this.

Frankly, its a dumb idea. Not the leaving part, the ‘Christian Scouts Only’ part.

Did you know that 30% of scouts attend church for the first time through some sort of scout event? Scouts introduce kids to the idea of God, and the role of faith in a life lived by a set of values.

This is what happens when an organization loses its testicular fortitude, and O’Sullivan’s law retains its perfect record.


43 posted on 05/29/2013 8:35:33 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: llevrok
Now, that shows leadership and gives hope to those who have a strong commitment to their faith. This new policy from the BSA is a signal this controversy will continue. By allowing the older boys (who claim of their sexual choice as a civil right) are planning to ask of becoming scout leaders in the future.
44 posted on 05/29/2013 8:35:49 AM PDT by Christie at the beach
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To: A.A. Cunningham
Our parish cannot be involved with a group that has decided to ratify or approve the self-identification of a 10-18 year old boy as “gay” or “homosexual”.

To me it is cruel, and abusive and absolutely contrary to the Gospel to in any way confirm a teenager in the confusion of same-sex attraction, which is what the New Boy Scout policy will do.

The good Father is a wise man of principle and a credit and an asset to His Church.

I hope that he will be one among the multitude rather than a lone beacon. Looking at the world we've created, I doubt we have much time before we are Judged.

45 posted on 05/29/2013 8:40:26 AM PDT by GBA (Here in the Matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: llevrok

This top down decision may (should) cause the various area councils in the BSA may form break-a-way units.


46 posted on 05/29/2013 8:45:21 AM PDT by mosesdapoet (Serious contribution pause.Please continue onto meaningless venting no one reads.)
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To: Pollster1
I think his saying that "anyone ought to be able to be a scout" is correct. I'm sure that there have been "gay" boy scouts; the problem is the word "openly". Once they can "openly" be gay, then it becomes all about the "gayness".

If they want to join the BSA to be a Scout, fine -- if they want to be a "gay" Scout then there is a problem. Why, oh why, can't they just leave it alone. Why is everyone required to shout about their sexual preferences. The Scouts are not the ones who are preventing these boys from having the Scouting experience. It is the activsts who want to force their personal/political agenda onto the group. The BSA has accepted their overlords and now the people in the individual troops have to decide what to do. This priest has done that, and he is just the first.

47 posted on 05/29/2013 8:52:37 AM PDT by LibertarianLiz
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To: llevrok

“I think anyone ought to be able to be a scout,” he said.

Anyone? Thieves? Drug users? Drug dealers? No standards at all anymore?


48 posted on 05/29/2013 9:34:57 AM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: MestaMachine

“Soon to be known as the gsa.”

I believe that would be “GSA”.


49 posted on 05/29/2013 9:35:33 AM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: martinidon

The problem is risk management. No auto insurer is going to wrote anything but legally required minimum liability insurance for a habitual drunk. Abuse liability insurance is going to be a real devil to get from any non-suicidal insurance company that knows anything about the experience of the Catholic church with homosexual clergy.


50 posted on 05/29/2013 9:36:06 AM PDT by libstripper
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