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As Towns Say No, Signs of Rising Resistance to Smart Meters
NY Times ^ | May 18, 2013 | Chris Hooks

Posted on 05/28/2013 7:21:52 PM PDT by opentalk

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1 posted on 05/28/2013 7:21:52 PM PDT by opentalk
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To: opentalk
“Why should we change that?”

In case you want prospective burglars to know when you are not home?

2 posted on 05/28/2013 7:25:43 PM PDT by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: opentalk
"The ultimate goal of the smart grid, of which smart meters are a part, is to connect us internationally to share the power we generate with the world,” she said. Having its own grid provides the state with autonomy it would not have otherwise, she said"

The goal of smart meters is to bring government tyranny directly into your home to limit your energy use at the whim of bureaucrats and their (and your) political masters.

3 posted on 05/28/2013 7:27:48 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: C210N

Hey, hey, hey! Don’t talk about Obama’s sons like that.


4 posted on 05/28/2013 7:27:50 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: C210N
"In case you want prospective burglars to know when you are not home? "

The BATFE will know too and be able to schedule your gun confiscation appointment for a safer time (for them).

5 posted on 05/28/2013 7:29:25 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: opentalk

Self ping


6 posted on 05/28/2013 7:30:27 PM PDT by ru4liberty
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To: Paladin2

Oh cmon, they never do the no knocks when nobody is home. That ruins all the fun.

They require there be small children, old people or shootable dogs to be at home.


7 posted on 05/28/2013 7:36:59 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Paladin2
...Sheila Hemphill, an organizer of the effort, called the victory her “San Jacinto.”

Didn't she play Shirley on "That's my Mama"?

8 posted on 05/28/2013 7:37:32 PM PDT by gr8eman (Ron Swanson for President!)
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To: opentalk

[[In October, the City Council of this Central Texas town voted unanimously to purchase advanced electric meters, known as smart meters, for the city-owned electric utility.]]

“Smart Meters” The New terroristic device with which to withhold vital electricity from teaparty members, conservatives, Jews, and anyoen that didn’t support the dear leader


9 posted on 05/28/2013 7:40:19 PM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: opentalk

The Risks of the Smart Grid
http://tamarawilhite.hubpages.com/hub/Risks-of-the-Smart-Grid


10 posted on 05/28/2013 7:41:42 PM PDT by tbw2
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To: opentalk
I opted out.

My dumb meter is still on the pole.

11 posted on 05/28/2013 7:42:17 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (An economy is not a zero-sum game, but politics usually is.)
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To: opentalk

Smart meters on the IRS first.


12 posted on 05/28/2013 7:45:25 PM PDT by NoLibZone (None here can be puzzled by why Jews walked into the cars so quietly- we are walking up the planks.)
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To: CottShop
Wouldn't it be fun to hack AlGore's smart meter and limit that hack's electricity at will?

We could put the controler on a web page for public use.

13 posted on 05/28/2013 7:46:06 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: opentalk

I don’t know about other states but California’s “Green” Public Utilities Commission is in lock-step with the power companies (and the administration) to ration electric power. No matter how little you use they keep raising rates to make sure utilities pocket big profits (with the PUC’s blessings, of course).

Southern Calif. Edison allows you to opt out of the Big Brother meters — for an additional $30 a month on your bill! BB meter installation is coupled with a big publicity campaign for “free” government money to subsidize solar panel installations. It’s not like we’re being herded into a taxpayer paid “Green” corral or anything like that...is it?


14 posted on 05/28/2013 7:47:55 PM PDT by Bernard Marx
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To: Carry_Okie

They changed our without notice. Supposed to save us money by not having to pay for meter reader, still waiting for savings.


15 posted on 05/28/2013 7:51:01 PM PDT by Orange1998
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To: tbw2

http://www.seattlemag.com/article/seattles-smart-meter-switch


16 posted on 05/28/2013 7:51:53 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (I’m not a Republican, I'm a Conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
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To: Paladin2

“The goal of smart meters is to bring government tyranny directly into your home to limit your energy use at the whim of bureaucrats and their (and your) political masters.”

Yep. No other way to slice it.


17 posted on 05/28/2013 7:53:31 PM PDT by MichaelCorleone (Keep your eyes on Jesus. He is the same yesterday, today, and forever.)
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To: Paladin2

[[We could put the controler on a web page for public use. ]]

Lol- dibs on the 11:00 pm to 3:am time slot


18 posted on 05/28/2013 7:54:10 PM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: Orange1998
My utility co did the same thing, but since they never sent meter readers when we had a dumb meter (but made pretend they did and charged us whatever the hell they wanted to), I am actually saving 50-75 bucks a month due to being charged for my actual usage.

Bastards had been ripping me off for years.

19 posted on 05/28/2013 7:57:27 PM PDT by Rome2000 (THE WASHINGTONIANS AND UNIVERSAL SUFFRAGE ARE THE ENEMY -ROTATE THE CAPITAL AMONGST THE STATES)
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To: opentalk

I don’t know about these meters, but at least the citizens of Brady rose to action for something. Most towns would do nothing to protest much of anything.


20 posted on 05/28/2013 8:00:55 PM PDT by Theodore R. ("Hey, the American people must all be crazy out there!")
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To: Rome2000

Same here. The electric bill dropped a lot after they put in the smartmeter. They also respond much faster to power outages during storms since they can map the outage better.


21 posted on 05/28/2013 8:03:44 PM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: Orange1998
Supposed to save us money by not having to pay for meter reader, still waiting for savings.

They could have done the same thing with a smart phone app that takes a picture, emails it to the power company, the computer reads the image, tells you if it got it, and then sends you the bill to your phone or computer email.

22 posted on 05/28/2013 8:07:54 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (An economy is not a zero-sum game, but politics usually is.)
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To: Kirkwood
They also respond much faster to power outages during storms since they can map the outage better.

The meters are probably not the reason for that. Power companies now use reflectometry to find the line break. It is very accurate.

23 posted on 05/28/2013 8:09:21 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (An economy is not a zero-sum game, but politics usually is.)
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To: Kirkwood
The electric bill dropped a lot after they put in the smartmeter.

Speaking only for my household, we will not sacrifice our liberty for saving a few dollars. My liberal neighbor (who moved to Texas from Nashua, NH and refuses to assimilate to our values and cultures) is all in favor of these evil devices. An Obama supporter, he also has one of those silly COEXIST bumper stickers on his car. That tells me everything worth knowing about these intrusive things.

24 posted on 05/28/2013 8:18:25 PM PDT by re_nortex
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To: driftdiver

“or shootable dogs to be at home.”

Why do they NEVER shoot CATS???/s;)


25 posted on 05/28/2013 8:22:51 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: re_nortex

My in-laws lived in Nashua for a time, I hear you


26 posted on 05/28/2013 8:28:14 PM PDT by UB355 (Slower traffic keep right)
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To: Paladin2
Builings consume 48.7% of all the energy - as much as industry and transportation combined.

Of that, the lion's share is lost in HVAC.

There is a way to seal the building such that all HVAC needs could be serviced by a heat pump powered by solar panels and/or wind turbines.

In that situation, the building can be removed from the grid altogether thus emasculating said politicians as well as the energy companies.

It's the American way.

27 posted on 05/28/2013 8:28:29 PM PDT by Lexinom
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To: opentalk

People are going to jail over trying to remove smart meters from their house or trying to prevent the installation of them.

Glenn Beck has been all over this for a year now...nice to see the NY Times reporting for once.


28 posted on 05/28/2013 8:31:44 PM PDT by My Favorite Headache (In a world where I feel so small, I can't stop thinking big.)
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To: re_nortex
You don't need to. You can green your home, funding the project with PACE loans and optimizng the project (e.g. choosing the combination of retrofits that yields the best bang-for-the-buck), such that it becomes efficient enough and generates enough electricity that you no longer need the grid.

People hear this kind of talk and instantly think granola cruncher, but this is quite American in that it cuts the legs out from under huge monied interests that have had their way with American consumers for far too long.

29 posted on 05/28/2013 8:35:31 PM PDT by Lexinom
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To: Rome2000

Highway robbery!


30 posted on 05/28/2013 8:36:56 PM PDT by Orange1998
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To: UB355
My in-laws lived in Nashua for a time, I hear you.

This guy a real piece of work. He's been here since the mid-90s, brazenly refusing to assimilate and complaining about the lack of the four seasons here in Texas. My next door neighbor, a Tea Party Patriot, and I always look forward to tweaking him, most recently on Earth Day, when we turn on all the lights, run our lawnmowers and he keeps his motorcycle roaring in the driveway. Earlier this year, we had a great time on MLK day by flying our Confederate flags.

Our work must be paying off. His daughter is a cheerleader at high school and speaks with a Southern accent. She also convinced him to attach a flagpole to his house, which sports both Old Glory and the Texas flag.

...and a little child will lead them... -- Isaiah 11:6

When he removes that stupid COEXIST bumper sticker, we know we're on our way toward a conversion!

31 posted on 05/28/2013 8:43:29 PM PDT by re_nortex
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To: Bernard Marx

” No matter how little you use they keep raising rates to make sure utilities pocket big profits (with the PUC’s blessings, of course).”

They also raise rates so they can subsidize the solar panels on a lot of wealthy peoples homes. It’s big stuff to brag about all you are doing to save the environment at elitist cocktail parties. Don’t talk about the average ratepayer shelling out dough to make it affordable though. Without the subsidies very few would be installed.


32 posted on 05/28/2013 8:47:35 PM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin (President Obma; The Slumlord of the Rentseekers)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Wonder what would happen if you slipped a Mylar bag over the meter. ...


33 posted on 05/28/2013 8:50:22 PM PDT by Kozak (The Republic is dead. I do not owe what we have any loyalty, wealth or sympathy.)
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To: driftdiver

shootable dogs

Why the redundancy?


34 posted on 05/28/2013 9:05:18 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin
Without the subsidies very few would be installed.

You've got it! But the nasty part is that in order to survive economically, conservatives like me -- opposed to government hand-outs -- are almost forced to accept the subsidies in order to keep our lights and hot water.

My electricity rates (without any major changes in usage) have gone from around $50-$60 a month 4-5 years ago to an average of $235 a month now. And the PUC keeps approving higher and higher rates. I expect to see $300 a month fairly soon.

35 posted on 05/28/2013 9:06:19 PM PDT by Bernard Marx
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To: opentalk

I’ve had a smart meter for several years. No meter reader is one less thing for the dog to bark at.


36 posted on 05/28/2013 9:08:30 PM PDT by Retired Chemist
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To: opentalk

I got another of those calls last week.

I simply said:

“NOT HAPPENING!”

Caller was trying to mumble some appeal as I hung up.


37 posted on 05/28/2013 9:18:23 PM PDT by G Larry (Let his days be few; and let another take his office. Psalms 109:8)
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Our water co. tried to pull some bull with us to install a smart meter.

I happened to have A HORRIBLE flu when the guy came over - so I started to have a conversation with him, in FLU language, about how I had some medical conditions and my Dr. had told me “No smart meters” due to “medical equipment” I had to have to sustain my life.

He ran like a bastard out of my house. Turns out he had CUT the line outside on a perfectly good meter in order to claim that our meter was not working and needed to be replaced. It’s the super secret trick the towns are pulling now. The decent fellow who came to repair the cut line explained it all to me.

I just kept saying, “I don’t know anything but that my Dr. said the new digital meters will disrupt my life sustaining equipment.”

Then I cough real bad. REAL bad I say.


38 posted on 05/28/2013 9:44:03 PM PDT by Ladysforest
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To: re_nortex

I though I was the only one that did that.....here in Michigan....run the garden tractor, lawn blower, use the table saw to cut some wood just for the heck of it, lights on....in every room, fans going unless its cold......my kids laugh at me but they all know where I stand on everything....:O)


39 posted on 05/28/2013 10:09:55 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: Carry_Okie

They respond much slower to outages for small clusters of outage as they can more easily prioritize where to send the crews. We used to get faster repair as we live near a service center.


40 posted on 05/29/2013 12:00:19 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Rome2000

Same here!

Three months ago my bill was $145. This month it is $31.57.

My electric meter was inside a locked fence on my back deck.

Now I don’t have to unlock the gate to let them in, and I have an accurate bill.


41 posted on 05/29/2013 12:28:16 AM PDT by SatinDoll (NATURAL BORN CITZEN: BORN IN THE USA OF CITIZEN PARENTS.)
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To: opentalk

Wow! The operative word is “meter”. The smart meters allow large staff reductions at the utility company. You complain about your bill but tie the hands of engineers trying to make the system more efficient and cheaper. The smart meters themselves cannot disconnect electric power to your home. Disconnecting power needs a properly rated breaker — there is a manual disconnect in your house switch box. The next one back is at the transformer serving you and your neighbors. The smart meter would need to have a relay to trip an expensive replacement of your manual disconnect molded case circuit breaker and another relay to re-engage the breaker. The liability associated with such a device controlling all power to your house would be uninsurable at a reasonable cost.


42 posted on 05/29/2013 1:22:52 AM PDT by sefarkas (Why vote Democrat Lite?)
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"Wow! The operative word is “meter”. The smart meters allow large staff reductions at the utility company. You complain about your bill but tie the hands of engineers trying to make the system more efficient and cheaper. The smart meters themselves cannot disconnect electric power to your home. Disconnecting power needs a properly rated breaker — there is a manual disconnect in your house switch box. The next one back is at the transformer serving you and your neighbors. The smart meter would need to have a relay to trip an expensive replacement of your manual disconnect molded case circuit breaker and another relay to re-engage the breaker. The liability associated with such a device controlling all power to your house would be uninsurable at a reasonable cost."

What about those gadgets the utility companies are pushing that allow them to remotely turn off your heating, AC and hot water heater?

43 posted on 05/29/2013 3:20:43 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: Bernard Marx; Carry_Okie

‘_______opt out of Big Brother meters.’

Here in So. Calif, we also opted out, and have to pay monthly for that ‘privilege.’
For all these 44 years, the original meter is just a few feet from the head of our bed - - - z~a~p!
That’s the only way the bed fits in the room.


44 posted on 05/29/2013 3:22:33 AM PDT by USARightSide (S U P P O R T I N G OUR T R O O P S)
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To: SatinDoll
Three months ago my bill was $145. This month it is $31.57.

Sounds like they are losing a lot of revenue by doing this. Just wait, your rates will be going up to cover their "shortfall"

45 posted on 05/29/2013 5:43:14 AM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: Paladin2
They respond much slower to outages for small clusters of outage as they can more easily prioritize where to send the crews.

All they need for that is maps. Smart meters don't change that.

46 posted on 05/29/2013 6:08:16 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (An economy is not a zero-sum game, but politics usually is.)
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To: Rome2000
Bastards had been ripping me off for years.

Then you'll like my story.

Decades ago, when I was still single, I rented an apartment. The apartment had its own electric meter, which I soon found out, did not work. I got a bill every month for $2.75, which was the minimum charge for having electricity.

I ran the air conditioner full blast night and day throughout the summer, even if I did occasionally have to wear a sweater in the house in the summer time.

Unfortunately, the apartment was heated with gas, the gas meter did work. I found a solution however by buying electric space heaters for every room and turned the gas off.

I did this for 2 full years and the electric company never noticed or didn't care that I had no usage at all, ditto for the gas.

The only reason I reluctantly moved was because I got married and needed a bigger place. If I hadn't gotten married and had children, I'd probably still be there.

47 posted on 05/29/2013 7:10:13 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (_.. ._. .. _. _._ __ ___ ._. . ___ ..._ ._ ._.. _ .. _. .)
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To: re_nortex

You should make your own power if you are serious about that.


48 posted on 05/29/2013 7:11:25 AM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: Bernard Marx

I have seen reports that installation of a smart meter is immediately followed in many or most cases by a large increase in electric bills.


49 posted on 05/29/2013 7:48:42 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE http://steshaw.org/econohttp://www.fee.org/library/det)
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To: Rome2000

You could have fixed that by reading your own meter and calling the company. On months that we get “estimated” instead of read we bitch and the bill gets adjusted. Once in a while we have to send a couple of dollars more but we bitch then, too, to be consistent. Most of the time it is way high.


50 posted on 05/29/2013 7:51:35 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE http://steshaw.org/econohttp://www.fee.org/library/det)
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