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Woolwich attack: troops advised not to wear uniform outside bases
The Telegraph ^ | 23 May 2013 | Ben Farmer

Posted on 05/23/2013 6:31:08 AM PDT by LSUfan

Commanders have advised troops not to wear uniform travelling to and from work or outside bases following the brutal killing of a member of the military close to Woolwich barracks.

Defence sources said the order had been given that uniform should not be worn by those travelling alone, or on public transport as a "common sense precaution" immediately after the killing.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: islam; jihad; religionofpeace; terrorism; uktroops; ungland; woolwich
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So instead of our troops being our protectors, and our fellow citizens, they are now turned into hostages to a persistent and ubiquitous jihadist threat. And the police similarly, as in Sweden, are reduced to doing "as little as possible."

Rather than the presence of uniformed soldiers being treated as a preventive against jihadist violence, it is now understood to be a provocation.

This is what happens to a state that is UNDER OCCUPATION. The jihadists can wear their "uniforms" without any prohibition - full Shariah compliant physical appearance, and socially enforced hijabs for the women - and can impose their force without sanction against their community at large. But the occupied state's domestic police and military are now even more limited in what they can do.

1 posted on 05/23/2013 6:31:08 AM PDT by LSUfan
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To: LSUfan

I totally agree that this is akin to being under occupation. Maybe non-Muslims should avoid going outside of their homes.


2 posted on 05/23/2013 6:34:24 AM PDT by Viennacon
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To: LSUfan

Muslim scum just doing what the liberals wish they had the nerve to do.


3 posted on 05/23/2013 6:34:32 AM PDT by MarineBrat (Better dead than red!)
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To: LSUfan

The Brits are insane.

Soldiers should be able move about freely, in uniform, with firearms at the ready.


4 posted on 05/23/2013 6:34:47 AM PDT by TruthInThoughtWordAndDeed (Yahuah Yahusha)
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To: LSUfan
or on public transport as a "common sense precaution" immediately after the killing.

Common sense would be to issue hand guns to the soldiers, not slink away into civilian clothes.

5 posted on 05/23/2013 6:34:49 AM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: LSUfan

Bizarre how the first cops on the scene were unarmed and had to wait for “special” armed officers to arrive. Unreal!


6 posted on 05/23/2013 6:36:39 AM PDT by nhwingut (This tagline is for lease)
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To: LSUfan

So bow down and do the bidding of the headchoppers.

In a sane world, all the headchoppers would be kicked out. in the current insane world, the innocent people bow down and kiss headchopper a$$.


7 posted on 05/23/2013 6:36:45 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Pi$$ed off yet?)
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To: LSUfan

Cowering in submission -dhimmitude. The Muslims should be cowering in fear of having their heads mounted on pikes; instead the police are deployed to prevent alleged anti-Muslim reprisals.


8 posted on 05/23/2013 6:37:00 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: LSUfan
Woolwich attack: troops advised not to wear uniform outside bases

Woolwich attack: troops advised to be fully armed outside bases.

Why not? Are they sissy afraid to shoot these bastards while wearing the uniform of their country?

I would make sure they go off base with at least one fully armed uniformed buddy, and kill these bastards if approached. Yee Gads! When will this end?

9 posted on 05/23/2013 6:37:04 AM PDT by laweeks
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To: LSUfan

Disgusting. Disgraceful surrender to the muzzies.

In 1982 a West German colonel told me he wore civvies while driving to the local Bundeswehr base & then changed into his uniform. Greens & other radicals would hurl rocks at his car otherwise.

This in a country where the Polizei are armed & carry submachine guns in their car trunks.


10 posted on 05/23/2013 6:37:32 AM PDT by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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To: LSUfan

They should wear their uniforms and sidearms. Don’t these people realize that every time they give in a little, it’s a victory for those who hate them?


11 posted on 05/23/2013 6:37:38 AM PDT by popdonnelly (The right to self-defense is older than the Constitution.)
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To: LSUfan

12 posted on 05/23/2013 6:37:56 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: LSUfan

They didn’t act this crazy when the IRA was setting off bombs every week.


13 posted on 05/23/2013 6:38:02 AM PDT by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: Viennacon

Every patriotic Brit refusing to take a dhimmi stance ought to don a uniform and march onto Downing Street demanding this administration quit sharia appeasement in all it’s forms.


14 posted on 05/23/2013 6:39:46 AM PDT by wtd
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To: I want the USA back

All Muslims should be provided with one-way air transport back to the ME. Landing rights will not be necessary. They will be deposited on the country of their choice from 5,000 feet AGL.


15 posted on 05/23/2013 6:39:59 AM PDT by Redleg Duke ("Madison, Wisconsin is 30 square miles surrounded by reality.", L. S. Dryfus)
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To: TruthInThoughtWordAndDeed
Soldiers should be able move about freely, in uniform, with firearms at the ready.

That is the key point. Soldiers should be required to be armed, and they should be free to wear the uniform or not at their discretion, or perhaps encouraged to wear it. When some sixth century moron with a knife is looking for an easy target, he should be afraid to go after a British or American soldier with a gun, instead of giggling over the fact that soldiers are hiding from him. The strategy of hide and cringe reminds me of a mailman dealing with a barking dog - the more times the dog barks and the mailman acts afraid, the more aggressive the dog gets. We need a better strategy than cowering in fear.

16 posted on 05/23/2013 6:41:01 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: LSUfan

Membership in the UKIP will explode after this outrageous incident. Had this happened two weeks ago, they would be in charge of the government there.


17 posted on 05/23/2013 6:41:41 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: stuartcr

Yeah, when did the Brits become French?


18 posted on 05/23/2013 6:42:37 AM PDT by Clarence
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To: TruthInThoughtWordAndDeed

“The Brits are insane.”

No, Churchill is dead, and the Brits are a much lesser breed...especially the men. The woman who stepped off the bus to confront the Muslim murderers and the woman police officer who shot them are the new face of British resistance to evil. The men have surrendered.


19 posted on 05/23/2013 6:47:00 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: TruthInThoughtWordAndDeed

“Soldiers should be able move about freely, in uniform, with firearms at the ready.”

They’ve issued a cowardly Stand-Down order.


20 posted on 05/23/2013 6:48:50 AM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: LSUfan

The better choice would be to REQUIRE them to wear their uniform AND ARM them.


21 posted on 05/23/2013 6:48:54 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: TruthInThoughtWordAndDeed

HEAR HEAR


22 posted on 05/23/2013 6:49:25 AM PDT by envisio (Its on like Donkey Kong!)
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To: LSUfan

A soldier does not need to wear a uniform to recognize he is a soldier.


23 posted on 05/23/2013 6:49:28 AM PDT by PoloSec ( Believe the Gospel: how that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again)
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To: Clarence

The PM didn’t make international comments every time something happened either.


24 posted on 05/23/2013 6:50:43 AM PDT by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: TruthInThoughtWordAndDeed

You can’t even have a firearm on base, in the US.


25 posted on 05/23/2013 6:52:06 AM PDT by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: LSUfan

Quote from one of the attackers:

“Remove your government, they don’t care about you.”

Exemplefied by the government’s desire to keep folks from being able to protect themselves.

Without an equalizer, it’s “might makes right”.


26 posted on 05/23/2013 6:52:21 AM PDT by fruser1
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To: PoloSec

The Changing of the Guard in Blue Jeans should be quite inspiring/. I award PM Cameron a White Feather.


27 posted on 05/23/2013 6:52:39 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: LSUfan

Why advise your troops not to wear their uniforms? For heaven’s sake.

Warn the citizenry that this type of activity will not be tolerated, and then put some teeth into it.

This is like retreating on your own soil. I’d have none of it!


28 posted on 05/23/2013 6:55:45 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Funny thing happened on the way to the Constitution burning, Lefties rights were violated...)
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To: TruthInThoughtWordAndDeed

Try moving on a US base with a weapon if you aren’t a cop or on your way to or from the range.

Fort Hood, as you may recall, Maj. Hasan was the only armed man there, until cops arrived. . .


29 posted on 05/23/2013 6:56:19 AM PDT by Salgak (Acme Lasers presents: The Energizer Border. I **DARE** you to cross it. . . .)
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To: LSUfan

This is ridiculous. In addition, the soldier who was killed wasn’t even wearing a uniform.

The Muslims were hanging around near the gate waiting for someone to come out, and he walked out wearing the equivalent of a “Wounded Warriors” tee shirt (no uniform) and they attacked him and cut his head off while the rest of the Brits stood by watching.

Well, no, a group of women did try to help him. But the men present didn’t intervene and in fact obligingly took photos of the killers at the request of the latter, nobody came out from the armory, it took the police 20 minutes to get there...heck, why not just hand the country over the Muslims right now?


30 posted on 05/23/2013 6:57:23 AM PDT by livius
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To: Redleg Duke

They need not worry about being dropped from 5K feet AGL. . .

After all, they will live or die, as Allah wills. . . (evil grin)


31 posted on 05/23/2013 6:58:28 AM PDT by Salgak (Acme Lasers presents: The Energizer Border. I **DARE** you to cross it. . . .)
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To: LSUfan
Should they also use cosmetics to darken their pale skins and dark contact lenses to hide their light colored eyes?

Should they refrain from speaking English in public?

This is an unstable situation. Western men are going to "snap" en masse.

32 posted on 05/23/2013 6:58:55 AM PDT by Prolixus (Summum ius summa inuria.)
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To: LSUfan

“Never give in. Never give in. Never, never, never, never—in nothing, great or small, large or petty—never give in, except to convictions of honour and good sense. Never yield to force. Never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy.”

How the mighty have fallen.


33 posted on 05/23/2013 6:59:07 AM PDT by CrazyIvan (Obama's birth certificate was found stapled to Soros's receipt.)
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To: LSUfan

Any active duty military person above the rank of corporal should be given the same rights and responsibilities as a police officer. Open carry or Concealed carry should be mandatory. They should receive all the training they need to be responsible keepers of the piece.


34 posted on 05/23/2013 7:01:01 AM PDT by BobinIL
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So soldiers have to hide the fact they are soldiers in order to control the whacked out Muslim killers,,and the UK is ok with this? I am thinking the U.S. is not far behind.


35 posted on 05/23/2013 7:02:10 AM PDT by austinaero
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To: LSUfan

THAT was the response “after the attack”???!!!?!!!??


36 posted on 05/23/2013 7:02:45 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: LSUfan

Troops not wearing their military uniforms will be viewed as a sign of weakness by Islamists, as though the infidels are caving to violence. I would go in the exact opposite direction. I would have the troops wear their uniforms with one badge that says “Infidel” and another badge of a cartoon head of Muhammad. If safety is a concern, I’d allow the troops to carry their military grade guns and to shoot first and ask questions later if a non-true Englishman becomes confrontational.


37 posted on 05/23/2013 7:06:20 AM PDT by NotYourAverageDhimmi
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To: txrefugee

“The woman who stepped off the bus to confront the Muslim murderers and the woman police officer who shot them are the new face of British resistance to evil.”

Reason: Women don’t want to have their clitoris and vaginal lips hacked off and then be crammed into a burqua.

British men are now whimps, disarmed one, too.


38 posted on 05/23/2013 7:11:47 AM PDT by GladesGuru (Islam is antithetical to, and Islam is irreconcilable with, America. Therefore - Islam Delenda Est)
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To: txrefugee
Membership in the UKIP will explode after this outrageous incident. Had this happened two weeks ago, they would be in charge of the government there.

The recent elections were for local offices. The next Parliamentary election will be in 2015.

39 posted on 05/23/2013 7:13:17 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Choose one: the yellow and black flag of the Tea Party or the white flag of the Republican Party.)
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To: LSUfan

Londonistan caves. Again.


40 posted on 05/23/2013 7:13:28 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: LSUfan

They behaved as the liberals have trained them to behave. They waited for the government to come and help them.


41 posted on 05/23/2013 7:16:05 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: I want the USA back

If this happened in North Carolina, the cops would be late to the citizens response on the street. The attackers would be dead.


42 posted on 05/23/2013 7:25:12 AM PDT by DownInFlames
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To: Prolixus
Western men are going to "snap" en masse.

Sadly, I must disagree. Western men of today are much like a herd of wildebeests. When one or two predators attack a wildebeest herd, the herd could easy charge the predators and trample them to death.

But that's not what the wildebeests do. Instead the herd scatters in every direction.

I might be wrong, but I think the Western Europe acts this way because of the effects of WW II. Hitler ruthlessly destroyed many minority groups. Now no one wants to even criticize a minority group.

43 posted on 05/23/2013 7:26:01 AM PDT by Leaning Right
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I award PM Cameron a White Feather.

As do I...

the infowarrior

44 posted on 05/23/2013 7:27:56 AM PDT by infowarrior
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To: LSUfan
My father was assigned to a CONUS Army base in 1968. It wasn't popular to be a soldier then. After a couple of "incidents" with Black Panther types they got a similar order. Dad never wore his uniform off-base again, right up until he retired in 1994. It never bothered him but it always rankled me.

As does this order in GB. Lose the uniform rule! Issue sidearms instead.

45 posted on 05/23/2013 7:28:57 AM PDT by jboot (It can happen here because it IS happening here.)
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If I were Cameron...the answer would be..

Travel in groups of 5... locked and loaded..ferret out any Muzzies and shoot on site.


46 posted on 05/23/2013 7:31:30 AM PDT by ThomasMore (Islam is the Whore of Babylon!)
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To: stuartcr

The members of the IRA are sane.


47 posted on 05/23/2013 7:39:28 AM PDT by SilverMine
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The members of the IRA are sane.

Really?

48 posted on 05/23/2013 7:41:10 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: LSUfan

How about wearing their full uniform, sidearm included?


49 posted on 05/23/2013 7:43:25 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Undicted Co-conspirators: The Mainstream Media)
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To: LSUfan

“Here nazi. Tarzan here, nazi.”


50 posted on 05/23/2013 7:43:29 AM PDT by onedoug
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