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Syria Rebels Threaten to Wipe Out Shiite, Alawite Towns
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Posted on 05/22/2013 11:16:06 AM PDT by Mount Athos

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1 posted on 05/22/2013 11:16:06 AM PDT by Mount Athos
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To: b4its2late

mooselimbs at war with mooselimbs......it’s a good thing.


3 posted on 05/22/2013 11:25:16 AM PDT by Roccus
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To: Mount Athos
Hopefully this link is clickable:
Syria Rebels Threaten to Wipe Out Shiite, Alawite Towns
4 posted on 05/22/2013 11:33:24 AM PDT by Mount Athos (A Giant luxury mega-mansion for Gore, a Government Green EcoShack made of poo for you)
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To: Mount Athos
Obama, Clinton, and John F Kerry who served in Vietnam worked to give these "rebels" $30,000,000 in aid.

During the sequester.

Epic fail.

5 posted on 05/22/2013 11:33:34 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: Roccus

I agree! Let them kill each other until there is only one left and then kill him/her. Done!


6 posted on 05/22/2013 11:34:29 AM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: Roccus
In this case you are nuts. The Alawites are not considered moslem by most moslems ~ and in Syria the Alawite community are, by tradition, the protectors of the Christian community.

If you kill off the Alawites you kill off the Christians.

Frankly, if you want to kill the most moslems it is best to send some serious weaponry to the Alawites.

7 posted on 05/22/2013 11:49:33 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

In this case you are nuts. The Alawites are not considered moslem by most moslems ~ and in Syria the Alawite community are, by tradition, the protectors of the Christian community.

This cannot be overstated enough, this will kill christians in the middle east in the end equation...


8 posted on 05/22/2013 11:53:18 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: Mount Athos

0bama and the U.S. Senate want to abet Genocide. And Al Qaeda in Syria.

Nice.


9 posted on 05/22/2013 11:55:59 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie ("The White House can't be trusted." - Ron Fournier, National Journal)
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To: muawiyah

Screw ‘em all.


10 posted on 05/22/2013 11:56:39 AM PDT by Roccus
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To: Roccus

bttt


11 posted on 05/22/2013 11:59:06 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: GraceG
This cannot be overstated enough, this will kill christians in the middle east in the end equation...

...and this can be prevented how?

...by tradition, the protectors of the Christian community.

...until they aren't.

12 posted on 05/22/2013 11:59:42 AM PDT by Roccus
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To: GraceG

Although correct that they are more protective of the Christians it is also true that the Alawhites wiped out entire villages of enemy muslems. I suspect this is payback


13 posted on 05/22/2013 12:00:21 PM PDT by arkfreepdom
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To: Mount Athos

Watching Assad fight Al Qaeda in Syria is like watching the ant war when you shovel a mound of red ants on top of a fire ant bed.

No matter who wins there are fewer ants left to bite you.


14 posted on 05/22/2013 12:02:02 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Roccus
...and this can be prevented how?

The Al Qaeda mercenaries that have been attacking Syria and slaughtering Christians and other religious minorities the past two years would not last a week against the Syrian Army without the money,weapons, and support that the US and NATO have been giving them the past two years. Cut off the money and the weapons and the war is over.

15 posted on 05/22/2013 12:10:10 PM PDT by Count of Monte Fisto
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To: Southack

With what stinger missiles? Or SA-7s?


16 posted on 05/22/2013 12:11:44 PM PDT by txhurl
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To: Count of Monte Fisto
WOW!!

After centuries of fighting in the ME, cut off the $$$ and everything will be OK. Who wouldda thunk?

Using logic and reason to come to terms with these vermin is futile.

17 posted on 05/22/2013 12:14:56 PM PDT by Roccus
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To: Mount Athos

They - the Syrian so-called “opposition” - shows their true colors and the true card they have been playing all along, from before they were even introduced to the world’s public.

Who is the primary Middle East source of funds and support for the Syrian Muslim Brotherhood and the entire “opposition” movement? Saudi Arabia (home and sponsor of the radical fundamentalist Wahabi sect of Sunni Islam). Why? Two reasons.

Who is Assad? He’s a secular Muslim of the Alawite sect of Sunni Islam. Who are the Alawites? They are “heretics”, according to most other sects of Sunni Islam, including the Wahabi. Maybe now you see why Assad, though an opponent of the state of Israel, like other Arab states, was never of best of friends with the Saudis.

So, given Syrian relative isolation among many other Arabs in the region, who did Assad make friends with? The regime in Iran. And who leads the regime in Iran? Another set of radical fundamentalist cleric theocrats - Shia Muslim theocrats - on the opposite side of Islam from the Wahabi-Sunni.

What has the “Syrian conflict” been from day one?

It’s proxy war within Islam between two separate and divided radical fundamentalist camps within Islam, each vying for Islamic supremacy in the region.

Assad - his dictatorship - was and is an excuse, not a cause (what do you legitimately call the King of Saudi Arabia if not a despot), and the people of Syrian are and will be the victims, including the victims of some victorious “rebellion” if that comes to pass.

The U.S. is again being played for a sucker (like we were when we helped the Saudis and Pakistan create the Taliban and arm the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan) in the name of “U.S. national interest.” History is just repeating itself in Syria.


18 posted on 05/22/2013 12:27:34 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: Wuli

Let me get this straight: Iran is Shite. The shires will die if the rebels have their way. That means that Iran will lose out. Isn’t Iraq now controlled by shiates?


19 posted on 05/22/2013 12:33:22 PM PDT by DIRTYSECRET
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To: Mount Athos

Just reading that headline one can easily grasp that these Islamic chappies have a lot of anger management issues to get under control before they can consider themselves “self-governing”.

Whose insane idea was it to break up the Ottoman Empire and turn these barbarians loose, anyway?


20 posted on 05/22/2013 12:43:38 PM PDT by headsonpikes (Mass murder and cannibalism are the twin sacraments of socialism - "Who-whom?"-Lenin)
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To: txhurl

SA-7’s can’t knock down crap.


21 posted on 05/22/2013 12:50:49 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: DIRTYSECRET

my essential point is that regardless of all appearances, neither the radical fundamentalist Wahabi-Sunni Muslims of Saudi Arabia and their philosohpical allies in the MB, nor the radical fundamentalist Shia Muslim theocrats in Iran are now or ever will be TRUE shared-values friends of ours

Syria is their proxy war

and we have no dog in that race


22 posted on 05/22/2013 12:51:58 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: txhurl

During the Yom Kippur war the SA-7 saw large scale service against high speed jet fighter bombers. The Arab states are said to have fired more than 4000 SA-7 rounds against Israeli Skyhawks and other such ground attack aircraft and scored 7 shot down.

7 out of 4000.

The SA-7 is a Soviet copy of the obsolete U.S. Redeye manpad (predecessor to Stinger).

U.S. helicopters in Vietnam were able to fool the SA-7’s into missing them by venting their turbine exhaust up into the rotor wash.

If you can’t hit a helicopter...


23 posted on 05/22/2013 1:05:22 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Mount Athos
To be clear, the call for genocide - a war crime - was declared by a member of the American and NATO backed Free Syrian Army govt and not the al-Qaeda branch of the rebels.

Theis man who declared genocide represents the rebel side Senator John McCain wants to arm and use American air power to help.

It can be argued that every senator who voted for arming the so called Free Syrian Army is now culpable for aiding and abetting genocide.

24 posted on 05/22/2013 1:14:57 PM PDT by IXNK (I am a royalist and Jesus Christ is my king, Isus Xristos Nikas!)
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To: GraceG
In this case you are nuts. The Alawites are not considered moslem by most moslems ~ and in Syria the Alawite community are, by tradition, the protectors of the Christian community.

This cannot be overstated enough, this will kill christians in the middle east in the end equation...

Has it ever occurred to anyone that the State Dept and Brits maybe would want eastern Christians cleansed from the Middle East because they tend to be Orthodox Christians and thus identify with Russia in some way or have some sympathy with Russian Orthodox co-religionists?

Would the State Dept or London want a democratic Syria where 10% of the population is pro Russian if these Syrian Sunni rebels did indeed create a true democracy rather than a fake one like we have now in Muslim Brotherhood dominated Egypt (which is still an American ally)?

No, I think for the west - or those in the west backing this jihad in Syria - the elimination of Orthodox Christians from these important oil and gas pipeline nations is part of the equation for defeating or blocking Russian power in the region.

25 posted on 05/22/2013 1:14:57 PM PDT by IXNK (I am a royalist and Jesus Christ is my king, Isus Xristos Nikas!)
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To: arkfreepdom
Although correct that they are more protective of the Christians it is also true that the Alawhites wiped out entire villages of enemy muslems. I suspect this is payback

Easy to do when jihadis use civilians as human shields in the name of Allah.

26 posted on 05/22/2013 1:14:57 PM PDT by IXNK (I am a royalist and Jesus Christ is my king, Isus Xristos Nikas!)
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To: Southack
Watching Assad fight Al Qaeda in Syria is like watching the ant war when you shovel a mound of red ants on top of a fire ant bed. No matter who wins there are fewer ants left to bite you.

That is stupid thinking. Sunni Islam jihadists winning there would actually create more ants as more Sunni Muslims see jihad works and flock to it.

This notion that the Syrian war will weaken both our enemies is false. Sunni jihad is the real threat and always has been.

27 posted on 05/22/2013 1:14:57 PM PDT by IXNK (I am a royalist and Jesus Christ is my king, Isus Xristos Nikas!)
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To: Roccus
WOW!! After centuries of fighting in the ME, cut off the $$$ and everything will be OK. Who wouldda thunk? Using logic and reason to come to terms with these vermin is futile.

I don't know why you have a problem with that statement? Modern weapons are expensive. The AK47 is cheap but they don't sustain a modern army. Cut off Saudi money and American logistics and the Free Syrian Army collapses.

28 posted on 05/22/2013 1:14:57 PM PDT by IXNK (I am a royalist and Jesus Christ is my king, Isus Xristos Nikas!)
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To: Wuli
Like the Shia Iranians or not (and I do not) they at least give their Christian minorities legal and political and religious rights (limited as they may be) compared to the Saudis. The Iranians even grant their women more rights (the right to vote) than the Saudis. The Iranians even have a democratic process - which is limited and controlled - but that is more than the Saudis have.

Here is the painful part, the Iranians who started the revolution have been anti-American because of what they feel the USA did in propping up the Shah - but they really don't hate the west and don't call for world wide jihad (because they are a minority within Islam).

The next generation of Iranians are very pro American culture and pro west but the Iranians are also a nationalistic and patriotic people and if the USA backs a jihad against Shia in Syria this will make the Iranian youth who want to open up to America become anti-American.

And we don't know how Arab Shia Iraqis will respond to Syrian Sunnis killing off Syrian Shia.

For some stupid reason the USA backed a play in Syria that now is a lose / lose situation for the USA but because of inertia - we as a super power can't be seen to change our minds or have second thoughts - we have to keep going on with a policy that failed us jeust because if we stop it we look weak or makes senators and the president look foolish, etc.

29 posted on 05/22/2013 1:14:57 PM PDT by IXNK (I am a royalist and Jesus Christ is my king, Isus Xristos Nikas!)
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To: Wuli
Syria is their proxy war and we have no dog in that race

The protection of Christians should be our dog in this race and should serve as the basis of our foreign policy.

30 posted on 05/22/2013 1:14:57 PM PDT by IXNK (I am a royalist and Jesus Christ is my king, Isus Xristos Nikas!)
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To: muawiyah
Frankly, if you want to kill the most moslems it is best to send some serious weaponry to the Alawites.

On another post today it is being reported that Iran is sending troops to support Assad along with Hezbollah.

This is a Sunni Vs Shia war and I hope they both loose.

31 posted on 05/22/2013 1:17:48 PM PDT by usurper (Liberals GET OFF MY LAWN)
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To: usurper
Too narrow a viewpoint. The Alawites are a special sort of Shia, and, as I noted, in Syria they traditionally protect the Christians.

You disable the Alawites you allow the Sunni to murder all the Christians.

Iranian involvement is a totally different story.

32 posted on 05/22/2013 1:25:43 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Wuli

We do have interests ~ one such interest are the several Christian communities still there. You side with the Sunni you sign their death warrant.


33 posted on 05/22/2013 1:26:54 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: IXNK

In the end we may need to send both Obama and McCain to Syria to explain to the Christians why they believe they are a useless minority that should be murdered off.


34 posted on 05/22/2013 1:30:40 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Mount Athos

This is why I keep saying we should support Assad.
We should apologize to the Russians and back them in their support of Assad. We should be willing to do anything to make sure the “rebels” their supporters, and their camp-followers are completely exterminated.


35 posted on 05/22/2013 1:36:29 PM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: IXNK

Incorrect. That war weakens both sides. Win. Win.


36 posted on 05/22/2013 1:47:55 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: muawiyah
In the end we may need to send both Obama and McCain to Syria to explain to the Christians why they believe they are a useless minority that should be murdered off.

Has it ever occurred to anyone that these John McCain types in the State Dept and the Brits and other western interventionists maybe would want eastern Christians cleansed from the Middle East because they tend to be Orthodox Christians and thus identify with Russia in some way or have some sympathy with Russian Orthodox co-religionists?

Would the whoever John McCain is shilling for or the Foggy Bottom State Dept or Londonstan want a democratic Syria where 10% of the Syrian population is pro Russian if these Syrian Sunni rebels did indeed create a true democracy rather than a fake one like we have now in Muslim Brotherhood dominated Egypt (which is still an American ally)?

No, I think for the John McCain types / those in the west backing this jihad in Syria - the elimination of Orthodox Christians and eastern Catholics from these important oil and gas pipeline nations is part of the equation for defeating or blocking Russian power in the region.

If this is not an active policy to make sure eastern potentially Russian allied Christians are beaten down and destroyed I bet they would not mind that being a side benefit of it in any case.

37 posted on 05/22/2013 1:51:14 PM PDT by IXNK (I am a royalist and Jesus Christ is my king, Isus Xristos Nikas!)
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To: Roccus

Cutting off the US/NATO funding to the Al Qaeda mercenaries currently attacking Syria and slaughtering Christians would end the war going on there right now. I don’t remember Assad or his dad slaughtering Christians, blowing up churches, and causing wide spread destruction in Syria before the US/NATO funded Al Qaeda mercenaries began landing there two years ago. Maybe I missed that.


38 posted on 05/22/2013 1:56:57 PM PDT by Count of Monte Fisto
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To: Mount Athos

May they all kill each other, and let Allah sort it out.


39 posted on 05/22/2013 1:59:35 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: muawiyah

I agree with you, as a Christian of middle eastern origin I can say from personal experience that Sunni muslims are the threat to Christianity in the region, not Shiites.

In any case we are confusing our enemies here, practically all terrorist attacks are perpetrated by Sunni muslims. Look at Iraq as an example, when Saddam was ruling over the majority Shiite country, the Sunnis were happy because they were in power, but the shiites did not suicide bomb christians and muslims and US soldiers daily. Forward to Gulf war II when Saddam was out of power, Iraq became a hotbed of Sunni jihadists who were all too content with suicide bombings and car bombs to kill and maim our soldiers, to completely destroy the Christians and even attack fellow muslims who were not as hardline as they were.

These takferiin Sunnis are the most dangerous,they even believe that if a muslim doesnt follow islam as they do then they are halal to kill. From that statement it is easy to insinuate what they would do to Christians or muslims from any other sect or any minority.

Sunnis have a goal to spread their version of islam globally, that is my enemy. I dont care about the shiites, they are not my enemy, they are concentrated in 3 or 4 countries and can be easily dealt with if they get out of hand.
The real enemy are the oil rich gulf states that are using their money to control us into doing what they want. They are financing these jihadists, who will move from country to country achieving their goals, of complete sunni dominance in the middle east and the muslim world. Theyre spreading through europe like a plague, increasing their numbers every year until it will get to a point where europe will burst.

The true enemy is not a country or a person. It is a faith and a belief system, a political system. That system is Sunni Islam. If people on here cannot even identify their real enemies, then we have no chance in hell that the country as a whole will able to.

I also hate the concept of “ yeah lets let them kill each other. Yay!” because the number one victim in all these countries are the Christians. Coptic, Orthodox, and soon to be Maronite Christians who’s families and churches have been there since the beginning of Christianity. Those are the real victims. I pray for the day that I see just 1% of the support to those Christians as we show to the Israelis.(Don’t misunderstand me, they need our support aswell!)

We should really be letting our representatives know, that we do not accept sending weapons to our enemies, to Al Qaeda terrorists, to people who will destroy christian communities in the middle east and who will eventually turn on Israel.

This quote has been overused to no end but still very apt. “All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.”


40 posted on 05/22/2013 2:06:08 PM PDT by hannibaal
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To: muawiyah
Alawites have always been considered "cryoto-Christians" and may have been the survivng population of either Gnostic Christians or Neo-Platonist from the Roman empire's time because they hold Greek philosophers as prophets of their faith and only called themselves Muslims in public to avoid persecution.

It is well known that Alawites make pilgrimages to Christian holy places and seek blessings from Christian priests, etc which makes them hated by Sunni extremists.

41 posted on 05/22/2013 2:07:47 PM PDT by IXNK (I am a royalist and Jesus Christ is my king, Isus Xristos Nikas!)
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To: Southack

This “weakens both sides” argument needs to end - the side that the Alawites are on protect Christians. The death of Christians is not a win in our column even if they are to western eyes the funny eastern Christian kind with the beards.


42 posted on 05/22/2013 2:07:47 PM PDT by IXNK (I am a royalist and Jesus Christ is my king, Isus Xristos Nikas!)
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To: dfwgator

Always suspected you of having AlQaida sympathies ~ best you read the entire thread before making choices like that.


43 posted on 05/22/2013 2:16:10 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: IXNK

The argument that the war weakens both sides is technically correct, but callous. Strategic, not loving.


44 posted on 05/22/2013 2:44:22 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: IXNK

The Russians and Chinese back Assad, and so does Iran and Hezbollah. Al Qaeda has a faction (it is the strongest of the rebels). And there is a small pro-Western faction.

Just because Russia, China, and Iran are fighting Al Qaeda does not mean that they are our friends. Far from it.


45 posted on 05/22/2013 3:07:55 PM PDT by Thunder90 (All posts soley represent my own opinion.)
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To: Thunder90

nobama’s friends want to kill others? Who woulda thunk it?????


46 posted on 05/22/2013 4:09:23 PM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: Roccus

Israel is going to get a lot of Christian immigrants very soon. Hope they then get rid of the pro-Palestine, pro-Hamas and pro-Hezbollah so-called Christian clergy there.

Of all the states in the Middle East and much of North Africa, it is only in Israel that Christians are safe.

THAT SAYS IT ALL!


47 posted on 05/22/2013 5:12:32 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: muawiyah

Are you kidding me? I want Al-Qaeda gone along with the Baathists, and let Israel take the whole thing over.


48 posted on 05/22/2013 6:08:16 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator
You don't have to murder all the Christians to get that, but that's what you are asking for. I doubt any of us here support the idea of murdering off the Christians. McCain does. Obama does. I don't. You shouldn't either.

Repent!

49 posted on 05/22/2013 6:10:44 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

I want the Muslims to kill each other, not the Christians.


50 posted on 05/22/2013 6:17:56 PM PDT by dfwgator
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