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The Most Horrible Thing About Late Term Abortion
Myself

Posted on 05/03/2013 3:38:15 PM PDT by Cindy of Nashville

There is an aspect of the Gosnell Abortion/Murder trial that no one is mentioning. It is also why it is so important to know that our worshiped President is okay with what Gosnell did. DOESN'T OBAMA AND EVERYBODY ELSE WHO SUPPORTS LATE TERM ABORTION REALIZE THAT DEVELOPED BABIES FEEL PAIN. The horrible things he was doing to these babies was without any anesthetic. Imagine having your spine cut, your feet cut off and who knows what else, with no pain killer. We go after other countries for human rights violations, we send people to jail for cruelty to animals, liberals act like waterboarding is so awful, but even our own president is okay with torture and murder to viable babies. An abortion in the first 2 months of pregnecy is one thing, but when the baby is developed and able to feel pain and live without the mother, that is another thing. I have to force myself to not think about this Gosnell trial, otherwise it makes me sick. I hope there are others who realize the horror in all this.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: abortion; gosnell; murder; vanity
Obama has to say that he has changed his mind and that late term abortion is over the line. Otherwise he and Gosnell and all their ilk that beleive it is okay to kill a developed baby should all go to jail. And may God think twice about saving their souls.
1 posted on 05/03/2013 3:38:15 PM PDT by Cindy of Nashville
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To: Cindy of Nashville

NO! The most horrible thing is not that the baby feels pain,

It is that the most helpless, innocent, and sinless (not without sin nature, but not having committed sins) of all humans is torturously murdered.


2 posted on 05/03/2013 3:43:48 PM PDT by Arlis (.)
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To: Cindy of Nashville

I have said this in another post.

One of the barbaric things about Late Term Abortion is the idea that you can do anything you want to human life as long as it is behind the cervical line. This allows them to expose the spinal column out far enough so it can be snipped in the upper neck with shears. This is done to insure the baby is dead before it crosses the cervical line.

As long as people position themselves with this legalism, they have as much credibility as those who believe that women are unclean during their menstrual periods and must be kept from physical contact during that period.


3 posted on 05/03/2013 3:45:01 PM PDT by jonrick46 (The opium of Communists: other people's money.)
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To: Cindy of Nashville

A good post with solid observations.


4 posted on 05/03/2013 3:48:05 PM PDT by MeganC (You can take my gun when you can grab it with your cold, dead fingers.)
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To: Cindy of Nashville

Miss Cindy, abortion is horrible.
The most innocent among us the “least of these” are being tortured and murdered for the joy of the left.


5 posted on 05/03/2013 3:48:16 PM PDT by svcw (If you are dead when your heart stops, why aren't you alive when it starts.)
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To: svcw

Killing human beings, even tiny ones, is a messy business.


6 posted on 05/03/2013 3:49:11 PM PDT by nj patriot (How is that hope and change working out?)
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To: Cindy of Nashville

To me the most horrible thing is not that the child can feel pain, but that we as a society do not.


7 posted on 05/03/2013 3:50:27 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: Cindy of Nashville
what you have to realize Cindy is that they DO NOT CARE!!!
8 posted on 05/03/2013 3:51:55 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: nj patriot

Yep.
On one side of the cervical wall murder is ok, on the other side it is not..........
and the left celebrates, holding galas, fundraisers and the president asks an unknown god to bless this action.
My spirit weeps for these innocents.


9 posted on 05/03/2013 3:56:12 PM PDT by svcw (If you are dead when your heart stops, why aren't you alive when it starts.)
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To: Cindy of Nashville

Thanks for posting.


10 posted on 05/03/2013 3:58:08 PM PDT by Huskrrrr
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To: Cindy of Nashville

Apparently, the abortion crowd doesn’t care about babies feeling pain when they’re being put to death. It only bothers the commie libs if MURDERERS feel pain when they are being put to death.


11 posted on 05/03/2013 4:07:11 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (I got expelled from the "fundamental transformation" indoctrination center.)
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To: Cindy of Nashville; xzins; wagglebee
An abortion in the first 2 months of pregnecy is one thing, but when the baby is developed and able to feel pain and live without the mother, that is another thing.

You have fallen into a trap.

Pain is irrelevant.

A born baby faces a life of joy and a life of pain. What is most horrible is that the life of the baby means nothing to the abortionist or the abortion industry. They don't give a damn whether the baby feels pain or terror or nothing at all. If pain is the most horrible part of an abortion, the doctor can easily administer a general anesthetic to the baby and claim that the baby feels no pain.

What is horrible is that the procedure ends a life. An innocent life. A life that was given by God and taken away by people with evil intent.

Painless abortions still kill innocent children. Every abortion stops a beating heart. Those who perform such procedures clearly have no heart. Only a psychopath could become an abortionist, and the US Supreme Court has given every psychopath with a medical license, the license to commit serial murder on a scale that would make Ted Bundy look like an angel.

If Ted Bundy had adminstered general anesthesia to all his victims before strangling them, would it have made his crimes any less abominable? I think not.

12 posted on 05/03/2013 4:13:19 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds.)
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To: P-Marlowe

Well said.


13 posted on 05/03/2013 4:34:12 PM PDT by AngieGal
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To: P-Marlowe
I wouldn't go as far as saying "pain is irrelevant", but I get your point. However, Cindy of Nashville is right saying that many people don't realize that unborn babies 20 weeks and older do feel pain. As a matter of fact, because their nervous systems are not fully developed, they are more sensitive to pain than full term babies.

Several states have passed pain-capable unborn child protection laws. For more information check out the National Right to Life Committee website.

14 posted on 05/03/2013 4:35:25 PM PDT by Former Fetus (Saved by grace through faith)
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To: Cindy of Nashville

We know that abortion is all or nothing. If a baby has intrinsic value as a human you cannot say it is valuable at 12 weeks but not 11-1/2. Unfortunately, sometimes you have to use incrementalism to move the needle to where it should be. If you can get them to acknowledge that they do not have the right to painfully torture an unborn baby, it may enlighten them a little. Once they admit the fetus has enough worth to consider whether it feels pain, they might have to think about it. Incrementalism is not ideal, but the left has been using it quite successfully to meet their goals.


15 posted on 05/03/2013 4:39:39 PM PDT by informavoracious (We're being "punished" with Stanley Ann's baby.)
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To: Cindy of Nashville

“DOESN’T OBAMA AND EVERYBODY ELSE WHO SUPPORTS LATE TERM ABORTION REALIZE THAT DEVELOPED BABIES FEEL PAIN”

The most horrible thing is that THEY don’t care that babies feel pain and even celebrate them doing so.


16 posted on 05/03/2013 5:12:10 PM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: Former Fetus
2 weeks - 20 weeks: How do you know at what point pain commences?

And why are you giving credence to this argument, as it begs a grand bargain
with the abortion murderers: OK we'll accept the potential pain of those up to
19 weeks, but that is absolutely our line in the sand.

I do believe that you oppose
abortion, and I know we are on the same team. But I think it an error to attribute aspects
greater in horror to 20-week-olds than you do to any age post-conception.
17 posted on 05/03/2013 6:15:54 PM PDT by jobim (.)
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To: informavoracious
Hasn't 40 years of experience taught us otherwise? Hasn't the reelection of a man who thrice
voted to let the people die in the buckets taught us that compromise is not just a fool's
errand, but Satan's, too? The rock we need to stake our lives on is abortion murder.
Talk, witness, write, recruit, protest: we all need to do whatever it takes to make
it clear that a person is a human from the moment of conception. And of course that rules out ThePill.
18 posted on 05/03/2013 6:24:08 PM PDT by jobim (.)
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To: jobim
moment of conception

There is no moment, only a process.

19 posted on 05/03/2013 6:30:38 PM PDT by palmer (Obama = Carter + affirmative action)
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To: jobim

I could never do it, but I used to believe it was a wiman’s choice. When the scales were on my eyes, no amount of horrific pictures, impassioned writing, or lecturing reached me. I tuned it all out. Did not want to believe that viable children were being killed. Thought it must be a ine in a million rarity. I focused on the wants and needs of the impoverished mother instead of those of the child. Only a grace-filled radical spiritual awakening snapped me out of it. Perhaps the prayers of someone like you. I agree 100% that the problem starts with the contraceptive mentality. But when you say that to people, it is like you are from a different planet. EVEN to many Catholics. How many big Catholic families do you see in church unless its a TLM? You have to reach people where they are, however you can.


20 posted on 05/03/2013 6:44:44 PM PDT by informavoracious (We're being "punished" with Stanley Ann's baby.)
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To: palmer
OK, I'll bite. Does the soul enter/infuse the body gradually, in stages, piecemeal?
Is there a stage when we are neither human nor sperm/egg? Or a little of both? Is this what you are saying?
21 posted on 05/03/2013 7:13:00 PM PDT by jobim (.)
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To: jobim
They say all neural connections are ready at 20 weeks. Of course that does not make earlier abortions ok, but when we try a murderer it makes a difference when that person has tortured his victims before killing them. He is more likely to get a death sentence. Abortion is murder, no doubt about it, but late term abortions are torture and murder.

That said, I like what you wrote on your next post: compromise is not just a fool's errand, but Satan's, too. Years ago I had a similar discussion with the then-president of the National Right to Life Committee. She said that she would rather "compromise" and save a few lives than stick to the basics and watch 100% of babies being slaughtered. Tough choice!

22 posted on 05/03/2013 7:28:33 PM PDT by Former Fetus (Saved by grace through faith)
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To: informavoracious
The big Catholic family thing is of a different era. That culture, albeit a sprinkling of heroic families notwithstanding, is as long gone as Father O'Malley refereeing the CYO boxing championship.
But we live now, in the times where the majority of children are born out of wedlock,
pornography and sex ed in junior high is the norm, and under-30 somethings
are loosely attached to Christianity, when they are attached at all. The fact
remains: abortion murder is still murder, and must be exclaimed as such,
even when we are speaking with true charity and gentleness out of love for our lost brothers & sisters.
23 posted on 05/03/2013 7:34:39 PM PDT by jobim (.)
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"Thank you Planned Parenthood. God bless you. God bless you"

24 posted on 05/03/2013 7:37:27 PM PDT by Gene Eric (The Palin Doctrine.)
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To: Cindy of Nashville

It isn’t Obama and it isn’t Gosnell, for Gosnell it is money, for Obama it is power and votes. It is the woman who walks into an abortion clinic, swollen with child and feeling movements of life inside her. They are the animals, only they are responsible for these deaths. In fact, there should be a clause in the procedure agreement, that if the baby is born alive, the live infant is given to her and it becomes the responsibility of the mother to slit the baby’s spine.


25 posted on 05/03/2013 7:38:15 PM PDT by Toespi
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To: Cindy of Nashville
Anesthetizing the fetus would not make abortion more moral.

Still, perhaps this argument will be understood by some pro-abortion types who cannot make the tiny mental leap required to understand that a fetus is fully human.

26 posted on 05/03/2013 8:12:21 PM PDT by TChad (Call them Oppressives, not Progressives)
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To: jobim

There is no soul entering the body, not piecemeal or otherwise. There is no “stage” where we are nothing (using your definition of humanity). There is simply a process of sperm entering the egg. There is a stage where it has not entered and a stage where the sperm and egg are fused and the DNA has been combined. We can also hypothesize various partial fusion stages.


27 posted on 05/03/2013 8:26:44 PM PDT by palmer (Obama = Carter + affirmative action)
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To: palmer
There is no soul entering the body, not piecemeal or otherwise. There is no “stage” where we are nothing (using your definition of humanity). There is simply a process of sperm entering the egg. There is a stage where it has not entered and a stage where the sperm and egg are fused and the DNA has been combined. We can also hypothesize various partial fusion stages.

Oh but the soul/spirit intellect does indeed enter the womb at conception. Each and every soul/spirit intellect created has the opportunity to take this flesh journey. Christ said just to 'see' the kingdom of God this flesh journey was the first step.

Now it is also Written that when the flesh body dies that soul/spirit intellect returns to the Maker that sent it. Thus every conception wherein a soul/spirit intellect enters the womb is not lost when the flesh dies, but back with the Maker.

However, the big business of murdering the child still in the womb is not ignored by the Creator.

28 posted on 05/03/2013 8:47:06 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Toespi

Your post is very profound! And true.


29 posted on 05/03/2013 8:55:00 PM PDT by Cindy of Nashville (What has the Democrat party become???)
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To: palmer
There is no soul entering the body, not piecemeal or otherwise

"Before I formed you in the womb, I knew you" At the moment of sperm and egg combining, this "you" of which Jeremiah speaks is created, body and soul.. We are obligated by God to protect each person from this point on
30 posted on 05/03/2013 11:07:26 PM PDT by jobim (.)
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