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Joe Manchin's Crusade: public turns against Repub senators who voted against gun bill (Huh?)
Daily Beast ^ | 5/1/13 | Clift

Posted on 05/01/2013 1:27:50 PM PDT by pabianice

Joe Manchin’s Crusade to Get Gun Bill a Second Shot

A hunter and lifetime member of the National Rifle Association, Democrat Joe Manchin won his Senate seat after airing an ad that showed him firing a rifle and shooting a hole in the cap-and-trade bill backed by President Obama. Now the West Virginia senator is the point man on Capitol Hill for reviving legislation on background checks for gun buyers that lawmakers killed just three weeks ago. With polls showing the public turning on some Republican senators who voted against the popular bill, Manchin’s crusade for a second wave of gun legislation could succeed. Gun Control

Sen. Joe Manchin is followed by reporters as he walks from Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid’s office in early April after a meeting on gun control. (Manuel Balce Ceneta/AP)

“This isn’t gun control, this is gun sense,” Manchin said Saturday at a forum in Washington, where he shared the stage with liberal MSNBC host Rachel Maddow. “I’m a gun owner, I come from a gun culture. If I couldn’t bring some credibility to that issue, why am I here?” His goal, he said, is to have another vote in the Senate before the August recess. “We’re going to pass this thing,” he said. “Don’t give up.”

It’s highly unusual after a crushing defeat to ask for a redo and expect that the outcome will be any different in three or four months, but there is reason to take Manchin seriously. Polls taken before the Senate vote showed that more than 90 percent of voters support background checks to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and the mentally ill, and some of those voters have evidently soured on the senators who helped bring the bill down.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; manchin; secondamendment Comment #1 Removed by Moderator

To: pabianice
Who cares about guns? We don't need them anymore. The givt will take care of us.


2 posted on 05/01/2013 1:29:31 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: pabianice

The pressholes need to keep the BS narrative going.


3 posted on 05/01/2013 1:30:00 PM PDT by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: pabianice

The only “polls” showing anything resembling anti gunners doing well are the PPP leftist type polls. Manchin was, is and will always be a lying POS.


4 posted on 05/01/2013 1:30:48 PM PDT by soycd
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To: headstamp 2

...guess no one showed the article where Dems are recruiting pro gun candidates to run....


5 posted on 05/01/2013 1:31:20 PM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: pabianice
If I couldn’t bring some credibility to that issue, why am I here?”

Ask the same question to a fly sitting on top of pile of ...... Crap just happens to attract flies.

This guy has certainly risen to the top of mediocrity hasn't he?

6 posted on 05/01/2013 1:32:24 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (This space for rent)
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To: pabianice

Anyone with half a brain knows that 90% figure was pulled out of 0bama’s butt.


7 posted on 05/01/2013 1:35:29 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( ==> sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: pabianice

Why has the NRA not returned Mush Brain Joe’s dues and booted his A** out of the organization, he obviously does not agree with its basic tenents.


8 posted on 05/01/2013 1:39:45 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: Grampa Dave

can’t understand WV, always voted republican for President but voted Dem for local seats, it should be a solid republican state


10 posted on 05/01/2013 1:51:48 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: manc

Too many dead FDR voters still voting for the rats.


11 posted on 05/01/2013 1:53:13 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (I'm afraid to go visit any American college because of all the foreign students with bombs.)
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To: pabianice
They are overplaying their hand to a laughable degree with this “90% support” meme. Do they really believe people will buy that, in such a politically polarized country that such a large number of people would get behind something, anything, never mind something like gun control to which there is demonstrably widespread and vigorous opposition?

I call bullshit. They pulled (not polled) this out of thin oxygen-depleted air.

I guess this is part of their 2014 strategy. Repeat the lie often enough and maybe it will stick. What a stroke of luck that no democrats who voted against it are getting backlash, eh? Is that convenient or what.

12 posted on 05/01/2013 1:55:22 PM PDT by Wyrd bi ful ard (Gone Galt, 11/07/12----No king but Christ! Don't tread on me!)
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To: manc

Same with Montana.


13 posted on 05/01/2013 1:55:47 PM PDT by Wyrd bi ful ard (Gone Galt, 11/07/12----No king but Christ! Don't tread on me!)
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To: Travis McGee
Joe Manchin's Crusade: public turns against Repub senators who voted against gun bill (Huh?)

OK Joe.

But if the "public" hadn't already turned against the senators who voted FOR the gun bill, you wouldn't have gotten your ass handed to you so badly...

14 posted on 05/01/2013 1:59:58 PM PDT by Kenton
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To: Travis McGee

Its not a Crusade, its a Jihad.


15 posted on 05/01/2013 2:00:38 PM PDT by omega4179
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To: Travis McGee

This isn’t gun control, this is gun sense,” Manchin said Saturday
............................................................

No it isn’t Manchin you ignorant double crossing POS, it is just one more step toward confiscation.

You a-holes are killing us one more step at a time

If we give an inch trash like you who double cross their voters want a mile.


16 posted on 05/01/2013 2:05:13 PM PDT by Venturer
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17 posted on 05/01/2013 2:10:52 PM PDT by deoetdoctrinae (The Old White Flag Republicans can go straight to He// and take their pal Obama with them!)
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To: Grampa Dave
Too many dead FDR voters still voting for the rats.

The ones still living does not see that it is not the party of FDR anymore. West Virginia is like a State version of Pittsburgh. They would vote for a Democrat for mayor of Pittsburgh even if he would shoot old people with an Uzi, eat live babies on TV and tie tin cans to cat's tails. Heck, if Satan came up to run as a Democrat and Jesus came down to run as a Republican, Satan would win hands down since he would have a D next to his name. West Virginia is the same as we as Murtha's district in PA.
18 posted on 05/01/2013 2:15:09 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (Whitey, I miss you so much. Take care, pretty girl. (4-15-2001 - 10-12-2012))
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To: Travis McGee
There was a time when Democrats weren't all complete un-American piles of dog feces.

“Certainly one of the chief guarantees of freedom under any government, no matter how popular and respected, is the right of citizens to keep and bear arms. This is not to say that firearms should not be very carefully used and that definite safety rules of precaution should not be taught and enforced. But the right of citizens to bear arms is just one more guarantee against arbitrary government, one more safeguard against a tyranny which now appears remote in America, but which historically has proved to be always possible.”

Vice President and Senator Hubert H. Humphrey


19 posted on 05/01/2013 2:18:06 PM PDT by TigersEye (If babies had guns they wouldn't be aborted)
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To: Travis McGee
Manchin is just another liberal psychopath. He will lie and accuse others of what he wants to do to us to get his evil way - any questions?
20 posted on 05/01/2013 2:23:42 PM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd
What a stroke of luck that no democrats who voted against it are getting backlash

My senator, Republican Pat Toomey, better be packing his bags. He's going to lose the primary.

21 posted on 05/01/2013 2:28:11 PM PDT by old and tired
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To: Travis McGee

Oh boy! Walking gun stores!


22 posted on 05/01/2013 3:02:17 PM PDT by dljordan (Voltaire: "To find out who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.")
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To: Mastador1
that is why we can't support the nra anymore...NO ONE can vote democrat....a democrat is a rubber stamp to bammey the boy....

its infuriating that so called "convervatives" will throw their votes towards these cowardly lying rats, OR not vote, OR, vote third party...

we get what we deserve but sadly most of us do the right thing, but we'll get shafted just the same...

thankyou to you democrat voters and thankyou for you anti romney voters too.......swell bunch...

23 posted on 05/01/2013 3:05:23 PM PDT by cherry
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To: Travis McGee

uh no, the public sees Manchin as a lyin’ axhole!


24 posted on 05/01/2013 3:09:53 PM PDT by dforest (I have now entered the Twilight Zone.)
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To: old and tired

How did Scary Harry Reid vote? He’s VERY quiet on the subject.


25 posted on 05/01/2013 3:33:02 PM PDT by lu shissler (an take his naiv)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

90% of Americans want less gun violence... that includes ALL gun owners... only 4% think that gun control is even an important issue so 96% think gun control is not an important issue. That must be where that 90% number came from. Support for less violence does not equate to gun control in any way. They are treasonous liars all.

LLS


26 posted on 05/01/2013 3:33:06 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: smokingfrog

Anyone with half a brain knows that 90% figure was pulled out of 0bama’s butt.


A plausible poll after the defeat of the gun control measure found that 20% of DEMOCRATS were “relieved” that it failed (39% of all those polled were “relieved”).


27 posted on 05/01/2013 3:37:41 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Universal Background Check -> Registration -> Confiscation -> Oppression -> Extermination)
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To: old and tired

Already have my bumper stickers printed! “ Toss Toomey-2016” He Lied !2A Traitor!


28 posted on 05/01/2013 4:05:12 PM PDT by Renegade
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To: old and tired

Here’s the reply I got when I asked Toomey about the Shumer amendment being in the defeated bill!DRIBBLE!

Thank you for contacting me about national firearms policy. I appreciate hearing from you on this important issue.

Like many Pennsylvanians, I have long been a supporter of the Second Amendment. Americans have an individual right to bear arms for self-protection, hunting and recreation. In fact, during my tenure in the House of Representatives (1999-2005), my record of supporting gun owners’ rights earned me an “A” rating from the National Rifle Association (NRA).

As important as Second Amendment rights are, our society recognizes that these rights do not apply to criminals and the dangerously mentally ill. Writing for the conservative majority in the landmark Supreme Court case, District of Columbia v. Heller, in which the court struck down the D.C. gun ban, Justice Antonin Scalia stated, “Nothing in our opinion should be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill...or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms.” In other words, Justice Scalia affirmed that laws preventing criminals and the dangerously mentally ill from obtaining firearms do not infringe on the Second Amendment.

As you know, I recently introduced an amendment, along with Senator Joe Manchin (D-WV), to the Safe Communities, Safe Schools Act of 2013 (S. 649). Our amendment had three parts. The first was to improve state compliance with the existing National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS). The second part was to expand background checks to commercial sales at gun shows or through the internet. These first two parts of our amendment were designed to make it more difficult for criminals and dangerously mentally ill persons to acquire firearms. The third part would have provided law abiding citizens with expanded opportunities to exercise their Second Amendment Rights.

With regard to the first part of the amendment, NICS relies on states to provide records of persons who should not possess firearms. Compliance varies greatly with some states providing very few records. The amendment requires states to completely participate in NICS in order to be eligible for certain types of federal grant funding.

Full state participation in NICS would help prevent the kind of tragedy that took place at Virginia Tech in 2007. Prior to that mass shooting, in which 32 people were murdered and 23 were injured, shooter Seung Hui Cho had been found mentally ill by a Virginia judge. However, Virginia did not submit that court record to NICS. The absence of this critical information in NICS enabled Cho to pass a background check and purchase the handguns he used for the shooting. This is one example of how the threat of gun violence can be reduced through improvement of the NICS system, a salient objective of the Manchin-Toomey amendment.

The second part, expansion of background checks to other venues such as gun shows, is not a new idea. In the aftermath of the Columbine High School tragedy in 1999, the NRA supported expanding background checks at gun shows during consideration by the House of Representatives of the Mandatory Gun Show Background Check Act (H.R. 2122). I agreed with the NRA then, and so did many of my colleagues on both sides of the aisle who voted in favor of this legislation.

Current law already requires a background check through NICS for all sales conducted through a federally licensed gun dealer. The Manchin-Toomey amendment would have required individuals seeking to purchase firearms from a non-dealer at a gun show to undergo the same background check as required for purchases from licensed dealers. The amendment would not have mandated “universal” background checks. Personal, non-commercial transfers would not have required background checks.

The third part of our amendment would have been achieved through a number of measures. These measures included allowing active duty military service members to buy a gun in their home state and providing a new legal process for restoring the Second Amendment rights of veterans who, under current law, can be unfairly prevented from acquiring a firearm. Another benefit included protecting law abiding gun owners from arrest or detention by fixing interstate travel laws.

Contrary to some reports, the amendment would not have created or enabled a national gun registry. I have always strongly opposed a gun registry, so our amendment prohibited the creation of a registry and would have established a new felony offense, punishable by a 15-year prison sentence, for any official who attempted to create a federal registry.

Senator Manchin and I posted the text of our amendment on our websites on April 11, 2013, thereby providing six days for our colleagues and the public to review the 49-page measure before a vote. On April 17, 2013, despite bipartisan support and a 54-46 vote in favor, the amendment was defeated due to a 60-vote threshold that was agreed to by unanimous consent.

I acknowledge that some will disagree with the Manchin-Toomey amendment. I am under no illusion that the amendment would necessarily prevent a determined criminal or dangerously mentally ill person from acquiring a firearm. No system can be 100 percent effective in denying firearms to those that should not have them, but that does not mean we should not try to improve the current system. In my view, keeping guns out of the hands of these people is not gun control, but common sense.

Thank you again for your correspondence. Please do not hesitate to contact me in the future if I can be of assistance.

Sincerely,

Pat Toomey
U.S. Senator, Pennsylvania


29 posted on 05/01/2013 4:11:21 PM PDT by Renegade
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To: Travis McGee
Somebody at The Beast is whistling past the graveyard here. These are guys I love to make election bets with. BTT.
30 posted on 05/01/2013 4:19:53 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Renegade

The Gospel according to Eleanor Clift, no thanks.


31 posted on 05/01/2013 4:21:50 PM PDT by traderrob6
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To: Travis McGee
“This isn’t gun control, this is gun sense,” Manchin said Saturday at a forum in Washington, where he shared the stage with liberal MSNBC host Rachel Maddow.

Sen. Manchin needs to go to the range with me to see what "gun control" and "gun sense" is all about. Perhaps that faggot, Arlen Toomey, would like to come along considering Toomey is from my state. I highly doubt the other two co-sponsors to the Manchin-Toomey amendment would like to show up. Chucky Schumer would be scared by a BB gun and Obama's butt boy, Mark Kirk, would have no idea how to shoot when both of his hands are firmly grasping his ankles.

32 posted on 05/01/2013 4:43:43 PM PDT by ConservativeInPA (Molon Labe - Shall not be questioned)
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To: traderrob6

????


33 posted on 05/01/2013 5:24:37 PM PDT by Renegade
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To: smokingfrog
Just consider the question as posed:

"Do you want continued bloody massacres of children by evil Republican right-wing gun nuts, or do you support a common sense background check of gun purchasers?"

34 posted on 05/02/2013 6:18:57 AM PDT by pabianice
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