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Senators to announce background check deal (11am presser Manchin and Toomey)
NBC News ^

Posted on 04/10/2013 5:23:52 AM PDT by Perdogg

Two key senators have reached a deal to expand background checks to firearms sales at gun shows and on the Internet, sources close to the negotiations said early Wednesday.

Sen. Pat Toomey, a conservative Pennsylvania Republican, plan to announce the deal Wednesday with West Virginia Democratic Sen. Joe Manchin, who holds an A rating from the National Rifle Association.

The two have been working on a compromise proposal that could draw Republican support for expanding background checks. On Tuesday evening, the two had an agreement in principle, and spent the night hammering out the final details.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; US: Pennsylvania; US: West Virginia
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; manchin; secondamendment; toomey; tyranny; waronliberty; youwillnotdisarmus
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People need not fret, any bill will be scuttled or watered down.
1 posted on 04/10/2013 5:23:52 AM PDT by Perdogg
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To: Perdogg

Background checks that will suddenly be unavailable at the time of the show, shutting down sales and bankrupting the tour companies. Once they gone, no more problem. This is not a debate, it’s a declaration of war.


2 posted on 04/10/2013 5:25:32 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Perdogg

On Tuesday evening, the two had an agreement in principle, and spent the night hammering out the final details.
............................................................

I can believe these two spent the night together hammering.

Which was the hammer and which the nail?


3 posted on 04/10/2013 5:27:52 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: Perdogg
Sen. Pat Toomey, a conservative Pennsylvania Republican

Oh, please....

This guy stated his support for the homosexualization of the military before coming to office in 2011. And now he's making side deals with Satan's legions on gun control.

4 posted on 04/10/2013 5:28:31 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Gun control: Steady firm grip, target within sights, squeeze the trigger slowly...)
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To: Perdogg
Thanks Perdogg. Heard the announcement was emanate this A.M. on NBC. Your post confirms.
5 posted on 04/10/2013 5:30:50 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: Perdogg

I disagree. This is a camel’s nose.

NONE OF THIS WOULD HAVE PREVENTED NEWTOWN.

THE SECOND AMENDMENT IS CLEAR!


6 posted on 04/10/2013 5:31:20 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: Perdogg
On CSPAN radio today they were saying the Reid bill will fail (lose some Dems too) and that the alternative Toomey deal bill excludes ALL private personal contact transactions.

This remains to be seen but a bill like that would give cover to defeat Reids bill.

Its been noticed as soon as McConnnell came out for filibuster a bunch of GOP Senators announced they wouldnt join it.

7 posted on 04/10/2013 5:33:04 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: Caipirabob; All

Tyrant Kim Un Hussein must be very pleased that his efforts to “FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGE THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA” are progressing so easily.


8 posted on 04/10/2013 5:33:21 AM PDT by Graewoulf (Traitor John Roberts' Commune-Style Obama'care' violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: Perdogg
One member of Senate leadership, speaking on condition of anonymity so as not to violate personal confidences, said there's a sense among the top GOP lawmakers that such a public display could further damage the already-battered Republican brand.

The backstabbing "leadership" is damaging the Republican "Brand". Hey guys, This is not about branding, we do that to cattle. We are not cattle or sheeple. It is time to Stand. Either Stand and deliver or be replaced.

9 posted on 04/10/2013 5:33:58 AM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: Perdogg
Sen. Pat Toomey, a conservative Pennsylvania Republican, plan to announce the deal Wednesday with West Virginia Democratic Sen. Joe Manchin, who holds an A rating from the National Rifle Association.

And rat-bastard Joe Munchkin, and his greek chorus in Leftist Big Media will continue to use that "A" rating from the NRA as a platform to excuse whatever unconstitutional anti-gun rubbish he pukes up.

Congratulations, NRA. You're giving cover to a domestic enemy of the Constitution. You're giving cover to gun control. You're giving cover to the further degradation of the Right of the People to Keep and Bear Arms.

See? I TOLD YOU SO!

10 posted on 04/10/2013 5:34:09 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Perdogg

Can someone explain to me why if they want to do a background check whether I should be able to buy a gun, why do they need to know the type of gun - let alone the serial number?!!? Is the check on me or the gun.......


11 posted on 04/10/2013 5:34:18 AM PDT by SW6906 (6 things you can't have too much of: sex, money, firewood, horsepower, guns and ammunition.)
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To: sickoflibs

AWR Hawkins said last week that Blumenthal will introduce ‘poison pills’ in order to kill the bills.

Any thing that passes the Senate will get watered down in the House.

The Democrats will blow this one.


12 posted on 04/10/2013 5:35:10 AM PDT by Perdogg (Sen Ted Cruz, Sen Mike Lee, and Sen Rand Paul are my adoptive Senators)
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To: Caipirabob

Background chexks which will exclude anyone who ever took a sleeping pill. Background checks which will help to make it easy to find the legal gun owners in order to confiscate their weapons.

The left laughs us off-hahahaha!-everytime we say they’re sneaking up to total confiscation. But they keep on doing the things which will lead to it. Just like in other countries where the “citizens” have been disarmed. I can’t tell you how many times on an internet forum, someone from another country, even someone with mildly leftist/socialist views, has told me that they envy us our 2A. Especially EU countries where they’re losing their sovereignty to faceless bureaucrats in Brussels.


13 posted on 04/10/2013 5:36:09 AM PDT by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: ScottinVA

arlen sphincter re-incarnate


14 posted on 04/10/2013 5:36:16 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: SW6906
It's not a "check". It's a registration.

Yes, folks, the all-holy NRA gave an "A" rating and its endorsement to a rat-bastard DEMOCRAT who wants to register all your guns.

15 posted on 04/10/2013 5:36:30 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

The article doesn’t say the NRA supports what Manchin is doing, it only says that Manchin has an A rating for his past positions on gun control. This article doesn’t say the NRA has sold us out (yet).


16 posted on 04/10/2013 5:36:47 AM PDT by SW6906 (6 things you can't have too much of: sex, money, firewood, horsepower, guns and ammunition.)
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To: ArrogantBustard
"It's not a "check". It's a registration."

Precisely!

17 posted on 04/10/2013 5:37:18 AM PDT by SW6906 (6 things you can't have too much of: sex, money, firewood, horsepower, guns and ammunition.)
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To: Perdogg
In recent days, Obama's gun control agenda has been imperiled on Capitol Hill.

What was not said was that our freedom is "imperiled." Of course freedom is an alien concept to the garbage who write this stuff.

18 posted on 04/10/2013 5:37:47 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: ArrogantBustard

That’s why I joined Gun Owners of America instead.


19 posted on 04/10/2013 5:37:58 AM PDT by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: Perdogg

“at gun shows and on the Internet, sources close to the negotiations said early Wednesday”

Gee, does that mean I can just go on Gun Broker today and buy a gun without going through a check? Must be because why would we need to include checks in a bill now if that was already the case?


20 posted on 04/10/2013 5:38:05 AM PDT by Mouton (108th MI Group.....68-71)
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To: ArrogantBustard
Yes, folks, the all-holy NRA gave an "A" rating and its endorsement to a rat-bastard DEMOCRAT who wants to register all your guns

Is ANYONE surprised at this?

21 posted on 04/10/2013 5:38:35 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: Perdogg
RE :”AWR Hawkins said last week that Blumenthal will introduce ‘poison pills’ in order to kill the bills”

that is what I have been recommending as it hurts O much more if its his failure versus just blocking it(which seems doomed to fail now anyway) , or obviously if he gets a bill that really does much.

22 posted on 04/10/2013 5:39:07 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: Perdogg

Internet sales? I don’t believe you can buy a gun on the internet without going through a dealer. Have I been missing something or is some legislator or perhaps a reporter ignorant?


23 posted on 04/10/2013 5:40:08 AM PDT by lrdg
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To: SW6906
The NRA gave an "A" rating, and an endorsement to Rat-Bastard Joe Manchin. It did so twice.

Now, Rat-Bastard Joe Manchin and his enablers in Leftist Big Media are using that rating and endorsement as cover for their gun-control bills.

Thanks for giving them cover, NRA. Well done.

I've been saying for 3 years it was a bad idea.

I WAS RIGHT!

Don't try to defend the indefensible, don't try to pretend that NRA didn't f@@k this up badly, and don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining.

24 posted on 04/10/2013 5:40:40 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: from occupied ga
I'm sure the "NRA is Always Right" crowd is shocked (SHOCKED, I tell you) to see this happening.

HEY NRA! QUIT ENDORSING LIBERAL DEMOCRATS!

25 posted on 04/10/2013 5:42:16 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: SoFloFreeper
I have been sending Toomey e-mails for weeks asking him not to do this. I told him I don't understand how a man who claims to be for less government and economic freedom could do this. I told him i was sick of Republicans betraying us.
I have met him, shook his hand, put up his signs, sent him money.If he does this I AM DONE WITH HIM FOR EVER.I WILL NOT SUPPORT ANOTHER ARLEN SPECTOR IN PENNSYLVANIA.
26 posted on 04/10/2013 5:44:47 AM PDT by bt-99 ("Get off my Lawn")
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To: Perdogg

Any republican outside of the Nanny States who votes for this bill might as well start claning out his/her office.


27 posted on 04/10/2013 5:45:01 AM PDT by Iron Munro (Welcome to Obama-Land - EVERYTHING NOT FORBIDDEN IS COMPULSORY)
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To: ArrogantBustard
I'm sure the "NRA is Always Right crowd is shocked "

They'll probably have some lame excuse as to why the NRA did the right thing in rating these anti-gunners "A" I've noticed over the years that there are a lot of posters on this forum who are not in the least conservative.

28 posted on 04/10/2013 5:45:07 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: mrsmel
That’s why I joined Gun Owners of America instead.

I'm a member of both. Also JPFO and the West Virginia Citizens Defense League.

NRA gets no money beyond my dues, though. I really don't trust NRA/ILA not to stab me in the back

29 posted on 04/10/2013 5:46:06 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: from occupied ga
They'll probably have some lame excuse as to why the NRA did the right thing in rating these anti-gunners "A"

The line I ususally hear is that it gives NRA 'leverage'.

So ... where's that leverage?

I expect an NRA "A" rated Senator to be a leader in preserving and recovering our RKBA. Rat-Bastard Manchin is a leader in eroding our RKBA.

30 posted on 04/10/2013 5:48:24 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Perdogg

I would like to see what he is proposing before I join the calls for the 20 state GOP.


31 posted on 04/10/2013 5:48:38 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: from occupied ga
I've noticed over the years that there are a lot of posters on this forum who are not in the least conservative.

I've noticed it too. What's absurd is the way they get all butt-hurt when called on it. Didn't they read the forum description when they signed up? We oppose abortion, sodomy, gun control, etc. We are conservatives. Not libertarians, not "fiscal conservatives", not moderates.
32 posted on 04/10/2013 5:50:41 AM PDT by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: ArrogantBustard

I’m holding my breath for the day GOA sells out. It seems these days that everyone on the right has a price. I know that sounds awful, and I hope they never do, but I just can’t be surprised anymore, I don’t believe.


33 posted on 04/10/2013 5:52:59 AM PDT by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: Texas Fossil
The backstabbing "leadership" is damaging the Republican "Brand"

I don't think they have any idea how disgusted the mainstream (former) republicans are.

34 posted on 04/10/2013 5:53:05 AM PDT by ladyjane (For the first time in my life I am not proud of my country.)
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To: Perdogg

gads I hate the term “presser” ick yuck patooie


35 posted on 04/10/2013 5:53:27 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Perdogg
Can you say TREASON! I knew ya could.
36 posted on 04/10/2013 6:03:17 AM PDT by Desron13
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To: sickoflibs

I heard one of the proposal will be to exempt all family transactions from background checks and the other will have to do with extremely limited record keeping, if any at all.


37 posted on 04/10/2013 6:03:24 AM PDT by Perdogg (Sen Ted Cruz, Sen Mike Lee, and Sen Rand Paul are my adoptive Senators)
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To: mrsmel
We are conservatives. Not libertarians, not "fiscal conservatives", not moderates.

Makes a good tagline

38 posted on 04/10/2013 6:06:03 AM PDT by frogjerk (We are conservatives. Not libertarians, not "fiscal conservatives", not moderates)
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To: mrsmel
Not libertarians,

On the scale of most to least conservative, I'd rank libertarians and constitutionalists as more conservative than most so-called conservatives. What I've noticed is that there are a number of people who seem moderate or even liberal in their views.

A couple of months ago I got into it with some tootsie roll who said that I had to have been in a mental institution because I opposed background checks. I told her Nope, that was just the price of freedom - that if you have to ask the government's permission it is no longer a right. You don't have to ask anyone's permission to exercise a right. She failed to reply - probably went off to have a good cry.

Another poster -one "spunkets?" called me a parasite because I called welfare recipients parasites.

What I can't understand is why these people don't just stay on DU. That's where they belong. I don't post on DU because I don't think like they do. Why post here if you're going to espouse the socialist/statist point of view.

39 posted on 04/10/2013 6:09:30 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: Perdogg
Toomey is a Traitor! We have too many camel noses as it is.
40 posted on 04/10/2013 6:13:29 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Toomey used conservatives to get a seat in a Senate. He sold himself as the opposite of Arlen Specter, but he’s well on his way to becoming a clone. This isn’t the first issue on which he’s caved. Here’s a January 1, 2013 reference to his sell-out on the Obama tax increase:

http://www.redstate.com/2013/01/01/tom-coburn-ron-johnson-and-pat-toomey-should-be-ashamed/


41 posted on 04/10/2013 6:21:20 AM PDT by littleharbour ("All men having power ought to be distrusted to a certain degree. ~ James Madison)
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To: Perdogg

I think the only appropriate response to these senators is that of Mr. Garrison, from the animated cartoon show, South Park.

“Go to HELL! Go to HELL and DIE!”


42 posted on 04/10/2013 6:25:57 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: Perdogg

How do they define “family”. Will it include my brother-in-law whom I hunt and shoot with? How about my 2nd cousin down the dirt road that I hunt and shoot with? Or will it be the BIG CITY definition. Wife-Wife, Husband-Husband etc?


43 posted on 04/10/2013 6:25:59 AM PDT by therut
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To: ladyjane

Leadership?

They practice Failure by Choice.


44 posted on 04/10/2013 6:28:29 AM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: mrsmel

A national database on gun owners is what King Obamagabe has always wanted. Any republican or democrat that caves to this attack on the attack on the 2d Amendment is to be voted out of office. Gun confiscation is what it’s all about folks, plain and simple.


45 posted on 04/10/2013 6:29:04 AM PDT by NKP_Vet ("The only glory in war is surviving")
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To: Perdogg

If King Barry wants this so bad, then King Barry should set an example for his subjects and submit to the same background check he wants for the rest of us. And he needs to release the results.

If he doesn’t pass, we need to take the nuclear football away from him.


46 posted on 04/10/2013 6:29:11 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; wku man; SLB; ...
None dare call it treason.

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

47 posted on 04/10/2013 6:37:07 AM PDT by Joe Brower (The "American People" are no longer capable of self-governance.)
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To: sickoflibs
the alternative Toomey deal bill excludes ALL private personal contact transactions.

Suddenly, gun shows will become 100% personal transactions.

48 posted on 04/10/2013 6:37:46 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: Caipirabob

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/04/gun-background-checks-deal-89856.html

I’ve bought my weapons from private parties for years and will continue to do so. The federal government will not have my name on any registry. They can kiss my ass.


49 posted on 04/10/2013 6:38:58 AM PDT by NKP_Vet ("The only glory in war is surviving")
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To: lrdg

You buy a gun online and they send it to an FFL near you.
You then go there, do the paperwork and pick it up.


50 posted on 04/10/2013 6:39:34 AM PDT by hattend (Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
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