Skip to comments.MSNBC promo: “We have to break through our kind of private idea that kids belong to their parents”
Posted on 04/08/2013 11:43:20 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
Via Legal Insurrection, between this and Krystal Ball’s Socratic dialogue with a five-year-old about gay marriage, evidently it was indoctrination weekend at MSNBC. The novelty here isn’t the sentiment, it’s the candor. Hillary made this same point more digestible for the public by ladling on warm-fuzzy sauce about a “village” raising a child together. (Similarly, don’t think of huge government programs as budget-busting liabilities. They’re Christmas presents!) Harris-Perry had 30 seconds to give her version of the same point; when you’re operating within those time constraints, there may be no way to make the pitch in terms less creepy than this. I almost want to congratulate her for throwing a word as clammy as “collective” in there. It shows a certain bravado.
Here’s your counterpoint, from 2011, on whether the U.S. is “investing” enough in education. Another half-trillion or so ought to turn things around, I think. No wonder Ron Paul’s getting into home-schooling.
Update: Apologies to John Sexton. He had the Harris-Perry video yesterday and linked to the same USC post I linked to above, but I honestly didn’t see his item at Breitbart until after I posted this.
Melissa Harris-Perry was doing a Lean Forward spot for the network.
In it, she complained that we havent had a very collective notion that these are our children and actually uttered the words, We have to break through our kind of private idea that kids belong to their parents or kids belong to their families and recognize that kids belong to their communities.
In Melissa Harris-Perrys mind, your children are the property of the state.
That echoes Benito Mussolinis famous quotation, All within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state.
Turning the Kiddies into what they want.
” In Melissa Harris-Perrys mind, your children are the property of the state.”
Anyone know where in the world this idea ever worked?
This idea has been in existence long before the birth of Christ.
One of Plato’s most famous works is called The Republic, wherein he puts forth his political philosophy.
Plato did not believe in rugged individualism. He felt that everyone needed to be part of the state and a contributing member of the state. He felt that citizens were cells within a body politic, and that the jobs and responsibilities that people held were to be determined by the state. Plato conveniently assigns classes, or more accurately castes, within which citizens will be organized. Given his chosen profession, it is not a surprise that Plato made the Philosopher class the highest on his societal totem pole. The Philosopher class will rule the state, the Warrior class will protect the state, and the Producer class will serve the state with goods and services and skills.
Plato would also have children taken away from their parents and raised in state-run foster homes supervised by the Philosopher class. He believed that the state could do a better job raising (and indoctrinating) children than could their own parents. He also believed in no private property. This applied only to the Philosopher and Warrior classes. The Producer class, the manual laborers and the workers, could keep their kids and their meager possessions, because they did not really matter in any area other than what they could contribute.
Oh, yes, Plato not only believed in community property, but also the communal sharing of wives! Plato’s ideal hardly sounds ideal to modern ears, yet nevertheless he remains one of the three great sages of antiquity. And just as Socrates mentored Plato, Plato in turned mentored Aristotle.
As another FReeper stated on another thread on this topic.
While you still can.
No one said they “belong” to their parents. But these people really believe that kids belong to the state. Parents get the bills and the state gets their minds and loyalty.
“ In Melissa Harris-Perrys mind, your children are the property of the state.
Makes complete sense to me because generally speaking, Black women are simply perambulating vaginas in search of a sperm donor. They welcome “the state” taking over their “production results.”
Liberals = Homosexuals and pedophiles try to screw our children.
Oh wow, another one of those “you didn’t build that” moments.
But then, the government does screw us all the time.
“As another FReeper stated on another thread on this topic.
While you still can.
I caught just a fragment of Rush today, and he was talking about this. I agreed with him when he said that liberals aren’t afraid anymore. They are showing who they are, because they believe they’ve set the table, and they are the majority now.
I guess we’re going to find out?
RE: Oh wow, another one of those you didnt build that moments.
“You didn’t give birth to that”
“You will not raise that”
Plato was evil.
The fact to so many Christian theologians loved him worries me.
Wonder why there’s no ammo available at walmart?
This isnt a society stocking up on certain guns because they fear they may be banned. This is a society preparing for war.
Well you know, the government owns you now, so they assume they also own your child. They hold your life and death in their hands and there seems to be little you can do about it now.
You ever pass a stinky fart in church and pray nobody realizes that it was you?
That's how your post make me feel. It's a bit too "generally speaking" actually.
RE: The fact to so many Christian theologians loved him worries me.
I think they pick and choose his beliefs SELECTIVELY and did use certain Platonic terms, , but not necessarily with Platonic meaning.
However, I don’t know of a good Biblical Theologian who actually agrees with Plato’s “The Philosopher Class is Superior” thought.
The push is on
They know they have 3 years to take over, or it will be game over for them.
If Obama has not acheived ‘fundamental transformation’ by then, it will not go as smooth for them.
They are focused (already) on 2014 takeover of congress, and the idiots in the GOP are not even TALKING about the massive vote fraud that must have taken place for Obama to win the election, when he had to over sample Dems by 10% to make it look like a tie.
It IS general, but based on bastardity rates and government dependence statistics, probably fairly accurate.
Is it time to start shootin’ those PMSNBC r@tb@$t@rd$ yet?
Evil people are evil.
When I attended public schools we were taught that one of the evils of Communism is that it takes the children away from their families for indoctrination. Along with the idea that under Communism the government owns the people and in America the people own the government. Things have changed.
Someone should as her how “community ownership” has worked out in other areas, such as parks and other properties. She is running off the illusion that more people will take care of the kids. Human nature tells me that most people will say: “That kid is someone else’s problem. Let them take care of him.” After which, the kid is neglected.
By “community” she really means herself. She wants direct control of the children so she can indoctrinate them properly into Marxism, since the irresponsible parents are obviously not doing it...
This is how the progressives (aka communists in hiding) will win the next election.
The problem here as in every other avenue of battle between the left and the right is that The Left is ON THE ATTACK and The Right is RESPONDING.
Perhaps The Rights biggest problem is it’s passivity and total limp dick reaction to the never ending onslaught from The Left.
I’ve been watching this battle for a long time now and honestly The Right is PASSIVE.
Just frustrated on multiple levels.
That is already true eight hours a day; five days a week. The state has control over your children at that brick building you pay for thru confiscatory property taxes.
That's what happens when nobody owns their own progeny.
The Framers of the Constitution said that We the People ordained and established the Constitution to secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our posterity. What is our "posterity" if the children don't belong to their parents?
Children don’t ‘belong’ to their parents. They are a gift for the first few years; during which time the parents are their sole guardians.
If raised in love and discipline - children become responsible, caring adults and never become property of anyone, any group or any government.
That would be slavery!!!!
Wonder where this Perry 'womyn' learned to think this way? I'll give you three guesses...
RE: They are a gift for the first few years; during which time the parents are their sole guardians.
But this lady from MSNBC seems to think that the parents should NOT be their sole guardians.
Tax payers should PAY for the government ( AKA the Community ) to help be their guardians (whether the parents like it or not ).
There is more. Children are to be the pawns of those people who control the government. There are people/parents willing to sell their children to the government for their own personal benefit. Had this happen in the family.
I am hearing the word “collective” more and more now. It seems they could accomplish their same goals using other words. No - its almost as if they want to start coming out of the closet. How long before we actually hear these leftists say “communism in theory is good but has just not been implemented correctly”?
Might I suggest to melissa that she look into the families in chicago who ARE run and controlled by the state.
It’s so clever how they use just enough words to put it out there, but never define exactly what the heck this plan ends up being or looking like. Oh that’s right, the left can’t tell the truth lest every sane person reject them outright.
Great Father, please witness the corruption coming against your family order. Break the mouths promoting government owership of the children from our families. May their thoughts be overcome with torment as promote the fruit of death.
Just today, I met a young woman in the dentist’s office...she was the receptionist. On the floor near her, her baby was in his carrier. She said he is four months old and already a “handful,” so she has to take him to work to spare her “boyfriend” the hassle.
Then on the way home, yes, same day, I saw a young woman walking away from the school bus with her little girl, who was around 5 or 6. The child looked absolutely haunted, dirty, staring into space as if she were drugged or horrified or confused or all three. The young woman was practically dragging her.
I’m aware that government is no solution, and I have a deep contempt for child protective services, but I am also constantly reminded that many children in this world are being raised by wild animals on two legs. Animals who don’t marry, don’t teach their young, and sometimes don’t even clean them up. All I can do is pray.
There are no hardships or consequences, social or otherwise, for behavior leading to children without married, committed parents.
If that is where she is going to stake her argument, then she’d better come out in defense of the babies that survive an abortion attempt and are born alive. Mama may not want them but they aren’t really her “problem” anymore and it’s out of her body so there goes that argument too.
Unless she is willing to stand up for Communism’s purge panels to determine who lives and dies.
“That’s how your post make me feel. It’s a bit too “generally speaking” actually.”
Maybe so, but it’s also true! Black “society” is a disgrace. The idea that men like Col. West and Dr. Carson have to put up with it saddens me greatly. I can’t recall ANY public institution that’s black-run that’s a success. Atlanta/Chicago Schools, Detroit, Newark, DC; you pick one! Then there’s old “Congressman Guam is Going to Capsize Johnson, and Sheila Jackson Lee. And of course, the biggest disgrace of all, BH Obama! Is any of this incorrect?
Is that you Satan?
BTW, it is a Biblical idea, not a "private" idea.
It's nothing anymore. We've been on this path since the Pill was invented. Marriage as an institution was doomed when that came about. Now the last few generations are dying out, that did not and would not behave like breeding animals. The younger ones all think they can do as they please, have babies when they please, part company when they please. No commitment to God, family, spouse, child.
There will be a backlash against this false freedom, the only question is whether Heaven or some totalitarian hell will step in to settle it.
Thats how your post make me feel. Its a bit too generally speaking actually.
Forgot this one. Good old Toni Preckwinkle from Chi Town, who wants to tax our guns! Another one of “Holder’s People!”
I think it’s important to meditate on what this woman is really saying.
Children don’t belong to parents. Logically follows that parents don’t belong to children. With that, no one “belongs” to anyone, and therefore, no one has any responsibility for or toward anyone else. We’re all just to be like free roaming animals in the wild, I guess.
There is no such thing as a FAMILY.
I’m sorry, but without my family, MY life would not be worth living.
What else is there, besides family to be born into, to grow up in, to carry on, to rely on?
This is so SICK AND TWISTED ....
But, heck, Hillary’s been promoting this for a long time ...It Takes A Village, don’t you know?
Im aware that government is no solution, and I have a deep contempt for child protective services, but I am also constantly reminded that many children in this world are being raised by wild animals on two legs. Animals who dont marry, dont teach their young, and sometimes dont even clean them up. All I can do is pray.
Come with me ...I’ll show you kids with scabies infections so bad they need antibiotics. Kids who are left with grandparents for weeks while mom is off and partying. Kids suffering from bedbugs ...abuse, filthy home surroundings, hunger.
I’m going to tell you that a lot of grandparents also enable a lot of this. Sure, honey ...leave those kids with me — just go do whatever you want because I know you’re a loser and I’m going to clean up your mess some more ...
What is our “posterity” if the children don’t belong to their parents?
There is no posterity ...there is only The State.
Amazing that they slipped that into the Constitution. They were brilliant. We are to work and pass it on to our kids ..not the State.