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As Views Shift on Guns, Reid Corrals Senate
NY Times ^ | March 31, 2013 | JENNIFER STEINHAUER

Posted on 04/01/2013 12:04:35 PM PDT by neverdem

It was, Senator Harry Reid of Nevada ebulliently proclaimed, a “happy day for me” as he stood with Wayne LaPierre, the head of the National Rifle Association, in 2010 at a new shooting range in Las Vegas made possible by federal money secured by Mr. Reid. “People who criticize this probably would criticize baseball,” Mr. Reid said before firing off a few rounds.

These days, Mr. Reid, the Senate majority leader, is far more likely to meet with Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg of New York, an outspoken advocate of stricter gun control, than with Mr. LaPierre as he prepares to bring the most expansive package of gun safety legislation in a decade to the Senate floor over the next few weeks.

Mr. Reid’s evolution from a proponent of gun rights to the shepherd of legislation that would expand background checks, among other gun control measures, emerges from a complex web of political calculations that have come to define his leadership style over the last decade.

How tenacious Mr. Reid is willing to be — and whether he will extract votes one by one as he has for other big pieces of legislation — may well determine the fate of the measures.

Mr. Reid declined to be interviewed but answered questions...

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Mr. Reid, aides said, is also motivated by both the personal angst he felt over the killing of 20 schoolchildren in Newtown, Conn., last year, as well as the anger he feels toward the N.R.A., which was widely expected to endorse him in his 2010 re-election campaign but then declined to do so.

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This conflict came to the fore during discussions of changing the filibuster rules; Mr. Reid ultimately chose an approach that placed fewer limitations on a minority party’s ability to filibuster than the newer members wanted...

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Politics/Elections; US: Nevada
KEYWORDS: 113th; awb; banglist; bhobanglist; bloomberg; congress; cwii; cwiiping; democrats; donttreadonme; govtabuse; guncontrol; nationalrifleassn; obama; reid; secondamendment; shallnotbeinfringed; treason; tyranny; waronliberty; youwillnotdisarmus
Reid and all those rats voted to confirm Sotomayor and Kagan.
1 posted on 04/01/2013 12:04:35 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Yet another example of why the NRA ‘A’ rating needs to be taken with a grain of saltpeter.


2 posted on 04/01/2013 12:07:09 PM PDT by cyn (Benghazi)
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To: neverdem

This is a joke, right?


3 posted on 04/01/2013 12:10:01 PM PDT by Bradís Gramma (Psalm 83)
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To: neverdem

> “Mr. Reid, aides said, is also motivated by ... the anger he feels toward the N.R.A., which was widely expected to endorse him in his 2010 re-election campaign but then declined to do so.”

There are still a lot of people around here who have repeatedly stated that the NRA *DID* endorse him.


4 posted on 04/01/2013 12:10:32 PM PDT by jim_trent
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To: neverdem

And, I sit here this afternoon at my computer refurbishing a dozen 30 round AR-15 magazines with new Stoner Springs and Followers and adding the MagPul Ranger Plates....

This should update all the ones that I have that are 94 preban and should go nicely with the others I have bought since 2004....come and get them..


5 posted on 04/01/2013 12:10:35 PM PDT by Gaffer
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To: neverdem

Probably putting the final touches on another “false flag” shooting in hopes of snapping the public’s attention back to demanding gun control, while stripping every other right we have while distracted.


6 posted on 04/01/2013 12:10:47 PM PDT by ObozoMustGo2012
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To: cyn

I tend to support the SAF.

http://www.saf.org/


7 posted on 04/01/2013 12:12:09 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: cyn
"Yet another example of why the NRA ‘A’ rating needs to be taken with a grain of saltpeter."

So what exactly do you want the NRA to do? Give Reid an 'A' rating because he has never gotten one from them even though he's tried hard. However, he eventually has to vote for judges like Kagan and Sotemeyor and so he doesn't get the 'A' rating. Sounds like it's working, no?
8 posted on 04/01/2013 12:14:45 PM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden (t)
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To: neverdem
As Views Shift on Guns, Reid Corrals Senate

As Lies Are Imbedded In NYT Headlines, The Public Rolls Their Eyes

9 posted on 04/01/2013 12:15:41 PM PDT by Lazamataz ("AP" clearly stands for American Pravda. Our news media has become completely and proudly Soviet.)
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To: jim_trent

made NO difference what the NRA or any other group did.
Reid is a product of the Las Vegas mob and would have been declared the victor regarddless the true vote.


10 posted on 04/01/2013 12:16:03 PM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO))
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To: jim_trent
"There are still a lot of people around here who have repeatedly stated that the NRA *DID* endorse him."

Those would be the same people who have never been members of the NRA and constantly bash them. They are ignorant of the facts. The NRA has never given Reid the coveted 'A' rating.
11 posted on 04/01/2013 12:16:40 PM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden (t)
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To: neverdem
America's views on guns are changing. We're becoming more pro-gun.

The Dem/libs have been engaging in a steady push to infringe on our right to keep and bear arms for decades. And this is how it has been working out for them in the last two decades...

And in the last two months... (Dec. 2012 and Jan. 2013)

MOLON LAVE! WE'LL BUY MORE. ;-)

12 posted on 04/01/2013 12:17:23 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: neverdem
Mr. Reid's evolution... emerges from a complex web of political calculations that have come to define his leadership style over the last decade.

What's so "complex" about "what's in it for me?"

-PJ

13 posted on 04/01/2013 12:19:15 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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All these aholes need to understand is “Shall Not Be Infringed”


14 posted on 04/01/2013 12:20:02 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: jim_trent; Old Teufel Hunden
There are still a lot of people around here who have repeatedly stated that the NRA *DID* endorse him.

They flirted with it to the very end, backing away after people like me raised hell about it. They also endorsed two dems in my state that year, thus ending my thirty-odd year membership.

15 posted on 04/01/2013 12:22:02 PM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: Old Teufel Hunden

Sorry to offend you, I am by no means a “basher”, nonmember, or nonsupporter. I did not mean to imply Reid himself got the rating (though it certainly has with others in my experience; I called the NRA years ago to clarify their use). But Reid certainly leaped at the chance to be shown with LaPierre and to try to get some shine from the NRA imprimatur. Those taken in by it are the ones who concern me.


16 posted on 04/01/2013 12:25:46 PM PDT by cyn (or maybe not.)
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To: MileHi

The NRA flirts with the notion of rules that make it so Only the well to do can own guns.

SAF says We All have the right to self preservation.
I think the guy in the singlewide has the same rights as the fellow that lives in a mansion on the hill.


17 posted on 04/01/2013 12:26:27 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife

Yep


18 posted on 04/01/2013 12:29:40 PM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: neverdem
I followed the link and read the comments. I wish I hadn’t. I am very disappointed by how foolish my fellow Americans are. Doesn't anyone posses critical thinking skills anymore?
19 posted on 04/01/2013 12:29:56 PM PDT by BO Stinkss ( I'd rather die on my feet than live on my knees)
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To: Brad's Gramma
This is a joke, right?

No. What did you think was a joke?

20 posted on 04/01/2013 12:34:13 PM PDT by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: MileHi

You’d think the Jim Zumbo debacle would have opened NRA’s eyes.


21 posted on 04/01/2013 12:36:21 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: cyn

What people have to understand about the NRA is they are a one issue organization that has helped secure our rights in regards to the second amendment better than any other 2nd amendment rights organization out there. After Sandy Hook the MSM was not out attacking GOA were they? No, they were going after the NRA. That tells you all you need to know.

A Congressman can be a complete scumbag, but if they are right on all second amendment issues then they get an ‘A’. That’s the way it goes. The NRA announces ahead of votes whether they will be scoring them towards the NRA rating. Such as voting for Kagan and Sotemeyor. By following this path, they have helped to secure our rights. Without the NRA, I totally believe we would have an assault weapons ban, gun registration, high capacity magazine ban and who knows what else. The NRA is not perfect, but overall they are the best thing out there for protection of our second amendment rights.


22 posted on 04/01/2013 12:37:28 PM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden (t)
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To: mylife
You’d think so, but there are still board members who think five rounds is all we should be allowed.
23 posted on 04/01/2013 12:39:11 PM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: Old Teufel Hunden

Yeah, NRA is a target, but SAF and GOA do good work.


24 posted on 04/01/2013 12:40:48 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: TigersEye

Another thing that’s changed is the amount gun organizations from manufactures to the Outdoor Channel are willing to punish anti 2A groups.


25 posted on 04/01/2013 12:41:34 PM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: ObozoMustGo2012
Probably putting the final touches on another “false flag” shooting in hopes of snapping the public’s attention back to demanding gun control, while stripping every other right we have while distracted.

I predict that this post of yours at #6 of this thread will go down in FR history alongside the comment by "lowbridge" that got the ball rolling on the Dan Rather "evidence" that GWB never served.

Watch the news. It's a comin'. I can feel it.

26 posted on 04/01/2013 12:43:04 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (For me, I plan to die standing as a free man rather than spend one second on my knees as a slave.)
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To: MileHi

BAhh!
And there are some board members that think 500 hp cars are unnecessary.

Andrew Coumo cracks me up with his thinking

“You don’t NEED a 30 round mag to hunt deer!!!”

Yo Andy, You don’t “Need” 15 muscle cars.

But I say it is your “Right” to own them.


27 posted on 04/01/2013 12:44:47 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: BO Stinkss
Was listening to Rush on the way home from work when he took an obscene profits timeout. What followed was a commercial with some guy talking about how he hunts and has taught his kids to hunt blah blah blah. He ended by saying he supports the 2A but to keep guns out of the hands of criminals or mental deficients we need to have expanded background checks. Then he said he was Dan Coats, Senator from Indiana and call his number to show support for enhanced background checks.

Another RINO who will vote in Reid/ Obama camp

28 posted on 04/01/2013 12:45:36 PM PDT by DaiHuy (May God save the country, for it is evident the people will not! Millard Fillmore)
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To: neverdem
Hairy Reed...blowin' in the wind. Anything for a buck. Bloomberg has the bigger checkbook this time.
29 posted on 04/01/2013 12:57:04 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: DaiHuy

Did you happen to get the number? I’d like to share my views on that issue with Senator Coats.


30 posted on 04/01/2013 1:11:18 PM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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>> Mr. Reid, aides said, is also motivated by both the personal angst he felt over the killing of 20 schoolchildren in Newtown, Conn

A horrific crime indeed representing less than 0.00004% of the noobs killed through abortion.

Outlaw forceps.


31 posted on 04/01/2013 1:23:18 PM PDT by Gene Eric (The Palin Doctrine.)
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To: neverdem
If you want to win an issue, you need to make it non partisan. That is why the NRA has reached out to Democrats. You make it a 100% partisan issue, you will loose.

Look at abortion.

32 posted on 04/01/2013 1:25:40 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: neverdem

obama “evolves” and all the democrats evolve with him.


33 posted on 04/01/2013 1:26:09 PM PDT by Terry Mross (This country will fail to exist in my lifetime. And I'm gettin' up there in age.)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
After Aurora and before Sandyhook, I and others said “The next one will be kids”.
34 posted on 04/01/2013 1:28:38 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: redgolum
Look at abortion.

I have been looking at polls on abortion. It's breaking prolife, especially among young voters. Ditto the 2nd Amendment.

35 posted on 04/01/2013 1:35:01 PM PDT by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: Lazamataz

Ba Bump


36 posted on 04/01/2013 1:51:55 PM PDT by Track9 (hey Kalid.. kalid.. bang you're dead)
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To: BO Stinkss

It’s the New York Times. It’s the left of the left of the left.


37 posted on 04/01/2013 2:13:56 PM PDT by Lazamataz ("AP" clearly stands for American Pravda. Our news media has become completely and proudly Soviet.)
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To: neverdem

My mistake.......I didn’t read the WHOLE thing..


38 posted on 04/01/2013 3:53:14 PM PDT by Bradís Gramma (Psalm 83)
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To: neverdem

Just a little more horse sh*t from America’s premier birdcage liner.


39 posted on 04/01/2013 4:22:55 PM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: neverdem

I have seen those same polls, but you have to remember a few things.

First, I haven’t see the real “meat” of those polls. How, where, and how often where they taken? What where the questions? Etc. There are polls that show the exact opposite (more young people are pro abortion and anti gun).

Second, young people don’t vote. The current political class doesn’t care much about young voters, because the age group of 18 to mid 20’s don’t vote much.

Third. Even if they poll is correct, and this group is voting. They are voting Democrat by a wide margin. So no matter what their personal beliefs and values are, they are voting for those who do not share that belief on those issues.

Now in 20 or 30 years things might shift as these people becoming a bigger active voting block, and the boomers die off. And they as a group might totally change their views.

In short, the polls are nice, but just window dressing.


40 posted on 04/01/2013 4:52:29 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: neverdem

Meanwhile the CO2 emissions from las vegas are the greatest per square foot of deleterious, superfluous energy waste.


42 posted on 04/01/2013 6:00:06 PM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....History is a process, not an event)
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To: neverdem

Any specific polls? I along with many of my friends in the say 20-30y/o range are much more pro-2a than I thought. If not outright pro-2a, the rest are not anti gun like Cuomo, Bloomberg, etc. and have asked intelligent questions about firearms.

After Sandy Hook one in particular, who attends a community college in a city with a history of violent crimes, gang violence and shootings realized the campus police force was UNARMED. They asked why and never got a good answer, except that city cops know that in the event they were called to a active shooter incident.


43 posted on 04/01/2013 9:45:16 PM PDT by matt04
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To: Gaffer

Yes, the pre 1994 ones I have were lost in the Mail for the past twenty years and mysteriously showed up last week.

I guess they found them where that Postal Worker buried them in his backyard with the rest of his deliveries.

What are the odds?


44 posted on 04/01/2013 9:54:34 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (Compliance with Tyranny is Treason...)
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To: matt04; redgolum
Any specific polls?

Poll: Americans, Especially Young Ones, Say People "Should Be Allowed" to Own Assault Weapons

Rats didn't make a peep about gun grabbing for years until Newtown. That was part of the plan to take Congress in 2006. They didn't recruit from their moonbat wing. They ran bluedogs, etc.

45 posted on 04/02/2013 9:03:47 PM PDT by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem

Did you see the polls today that said “most people want a gun ban?” It was on the MSN home page.

A poll can be made to say what ever youb want it to.


46 posted on 04/03/2013 7:50:09 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: mylife
I used to support saf until I discovered that only about 3% of the funds they gather to "help the cause" actually makes it to the cause while the other 97% goes to salaries and staff expenses.
47 posted on 04/04/2013 1:04:24 PM PDT by ExSoldier (Stand up and be counted... OR LINE UP AND BE NUMBERED...)
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To: DaiHuy

You’re very confused.

I live in Indiana and have heard this Bloomberg financed commercial dozens of times.

The idiot announcer is TELLING YOU TO CALL Sen Dan Coats and support gun legislation.


48 posted on 04/04/2013 1:07:42 PM PDT by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: Springfield Reformer

Ping to #48


49 posted on 04/04/2013 1:08:24 PM PDT by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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