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My Train Wreck Conversion (Lesbian turns away, chooses Christianity)
Christianity Today ^ | 2/7/2013 | Rosaria Champagne Butterfield

Posted on 03/26/2013 11:54:57 AM PDT by T-Bird45

As a leftist lesbian professor, I despised Christians. Then I somehow became one.

The word Jesus stuck in my throat like an elephant tusk; no matter how hard I choked, I couldn't hack it out. Those who professed the name commanded my pity and wrath. As a university professor, I tired of students who seemed to believe that "knowing Jesus" meant knowing little else. Christians in particular were bad readers, always seizing opportunities to insert a Bible verse into a conversation with the same point as a punctuation mark: to end it rather than deepen it.

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Given today's SCOTUS hearing that will continue tomorrow, this article is worth the read even though it is from last month. Read it now to understand the anger behind the movement and propaganda that will appear on the various news outlets as "unbiased" reporting.
1 posted on 03/26/2013 11:54:58 AM PDT by T-Bird45
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To: T-Bird45
From the middle of the article:

How did you arrive at your interpretations? How do you know you are right? Do you believe in God?

These basic critical thinking questions were sent by a pastor to the author in response to an article she wrote. Despite being a tenured professor that espouses critical thinking as a key academic skill, these three questions angered her yet they caused her to open up to the possibility of not having all the answers.

2 posted on 03/26/2013 11:58:18 AM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: T-Bird45
As a leftist lesbian professor, I despised Christians

Leftist tolerance example #2,896

3 posted on 03/26/2013 12:08:11 PM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: T-Bird45

Excellent article. Thank you for submitting.


4 posted on 03/26/2013 12:08:43 PM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: T-Bird45

Amazing story - this woman is truly courageous for opening up and being willing to be obedient to the God whose existence she denied for so long.


5 posted on 03/26/2013 12:10:56 PM PDT by tjd1454 (`)
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To: T-Bird45
And my former life lurks in the edges of my heart, shiny and still like a knife.

Now that is one heck of a last line.

6 posted on 03/26/2013 12:23:07 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (The Constitution does not guarantee public safety, it guarantees liberty.)
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To: T-Bird45
Great story, and a sure act of courage.

Fortunately most Christians are loving and forgiving.

7 posted on 03/26/2013 12:27:05 PM PDT by Northern Yankee (Where Liberty dwells, there is my Country. - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: T-Bird45

Here is a link to a Harvard Crimson article from 1997 when the CT author was actively decrying Promise Keepers in the way she describes in the CT article. It gives a contemporaneous look into the author’s mind without any editorial fog that may exist in the CT article.

http://www.thecrimson.com/article/1997/10/24/prof-decries-promise-keepers-pwhen-the/


8 posted on 03/26/2013 12:28:29 PM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

Yes, that line struck me, too. It’s good for any/all of us recognize that fact about ourselves.


9 posted on 03/26/2013 12:30:13 PM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: T-Bird45; BillyBoy; Impy; fieldmarshaldj; stephenjohnbanker; Gilbo_3; NFHale
I am finding this hard to believe. All available credible studies of human psychology and behaviour show that people who try to turn against their ‘orientation’ are very unhappy and unstable, maybe even dangerous, some actually want to own guns and others go on to deny climate change. And they start to hate their own 'kind' just like blacks working for FNC do .”

It be best to not repeat her story or others could be harmed especially children.”

So there BB :)

10 posted on 03/26/2013 12:35:52 PM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: T-Bird45

The Left will always say she’s denying her true self. They’re waiting for her to backslide and falter so they can say “we told you so.” I wish her the best.


11 posted on 03/26/2013 12:41:39 PM PDT by skinndogNN
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To: T-Bird45

Thanks. Great article. So like God to do the impossible for love’s sake.


12 posted on 03/26/2013 12:41:53 PM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: T-Bird45

Thanks for the link to the Harvard Crimson article. It was definitely written by a leftist totalitarian, which verifies that her conversion was truly remarkable, if not a miracle.


13 posted on 03/26/2013 12:44:04 PM PDT by trubolotta
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To: T-Bird45

Great way to approach such things.


14 posted on 03/26/2013 12:44:05 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: trubolotta

All true conversions are true miracles.


15 posted on 03/26/2013 12:48:22 PM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: Northern Yankee

Yes, we Christians forgive, but; it is the Lord who forgives. It is the Lord who merely asks one to ask for forgiveness and accept Him. Yesterday my wife awaited a very dangerous surgery and it was 50/50 at best. The lord answered our prayers again. Our 12 year cat is extremely ill and she, too, is facing death. I have yet to hear about my little girl/cat, but; the Lord does know best.I went through war with my grandmother’s blessing inscribed on a brass business card like piece. It read-”Go out into the darkness and put your hand in the hand of the Lord. That shall be for you better then light and safer then a know way.” It was as two bullets did not kill me.


16 posted on 03/26/2013 12:48:28 PM PDT by Lumper20 (`)
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To: Northern Yankee

Fortunately God is loving and forgiving.


17 posted on 03/26/2013 12:52:14 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: Northern Yankee

Yes, we Christians forgive, but; it is the Lord who forgives. It is the Lord who merely asks one to ask for forgiveness and accept Him. Yesterday my wife awaited a very dangerous surgery and it was 50/50 at best. The Lord answered our prayers again. Our 12 year cat is extremely ill and she, too, is facing death. I have yet to hear about my little girl/cat, but; the Lord does know best.I went through war with my grandmother’s blessing inscribed on a brass business card like piece. It read-”Go out into the darkness and put your hand in the hand of the Lord. That shall be for you better then light and safer then a know way.” It was as two bullets did not kill me.


18 posted on 03/26/2013 12:53:16 PM PDT by Lumper20 (`)
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To: T-Bird45

Beautiful testimony. Very interesting story of how she came to Christ. God bless the pastor she mentioned (I think his name was Ken) for doing what Jesus did - He loved and spent time with and was a “friend of sinners”. Jesus never condoned sin, but He demonstrated His love and concern for them and didn’t treat them with hatred and contempt.


19 posted on 03/26/2013 1:00:04 PM PDT by rusty schucklefurd
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To: T-Bird45

Interesting comments following the article.


20 posted on 03/26/2013 1:03:09 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: T-Bird45

bkmk


21 posted on 03/26/2013 1:07:19 PM PDT by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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To: Lumper20
That's from the poem "The Gate of the Year" - King George VI read it during his 1939 Christmas broadcast, and it became a sort of catchword for the British during WWII.

It's even been set to music, SATB and organ, sang it in church years ago.

And you're right, it's true.

22 posted on 03/26/2013 1:15:38 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGS Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: T-Bird45

I am in tears. Thank you for posting. Thank God for the humble walk of Ken and Floy.


23 posted on 03/26/2013 1:19:13 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: Lumper20
Amen to that!

After attending Mass this morning my sister and I were talking over coffee about the woman caught in adultrey. She was forgiven for her sins, but told not to sin again. That message doesn't always get out there.

I am so relieved about your wife's surgery. Blessings to you during this Holy Week!

24 posted on 03/26/2013 1:22:10 PM PDT by Northern Yankee (Where Liberty dwells, there is my Country. - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: ilovesarah2012
Absolutely.

The press always wants to malign Christians as incapable of forgiving the sinner. How wrong that is. We condemn the sin but not the sinner.

25 posted on 03/26/2013 1:23:25 PM PDT by Northern Yankee (Where Liberty dwells, there is my Country. - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Lumper20
My father and mother were instrumental in developing the faith our family of ten.

Dad, who flew combat missions over Japan in B-29's, had an intensely deep faith. It carried him through wartime and beyond.

I spent 4 years serving in the U.S. Air Force, and felt honored to attend Mass on base. Knew some great chaplains who were inspiring to this poor airman. I don't know if its the same today in the service. I hope it is.

Thank you for your service! Semper Fi!

26 posted on 03/26/2013 1:29:56 PM PDT by Northern Yankee (Where Liberty dwells, there is my Country. - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: T-Bird45

Whatever else this Christian woman is today, a very good writer is part of who she is.


27 posted on 03/26/2013 1:37:00 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: T-Bird45

If anyone is interested in seeing her speak on this, here are the links. Amazing testimony.

part 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkJZSeUGzWw

part 2 Q&A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-AQlrcTr5w


28 posted on 03/26/2013 1:41:44 PM PDT by newheart (The greatest trick the left ever pulled was convincing the world it was not a religion.)
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To: Northern Yankee

Blessings to the father, the son, and to the holy ghost. Presbyterians believe in the trinity also. I belive that I am nothing without the Lord. Thank you.


29 posted on 03/26/2013 1:43:02 PM PDT by Lumper20 (`)
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To: Lumper20
As to you, my friend.

Dad passed away back in 1981, and mom two years ago this April. We were blessed to have such wonderful parents.

I will keep your wife and family in my prayers during this Holy Week.

30 posted on 03/26/2013 1:52:59 PM PDT by Northern Yankee (Where Liberty dwells, there is my Country. - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: T-Bird45

The “sexual revolution” of the 60’s with all the “free love” and promiscuity; what a terrific way at that time to exquisitely PUNISH parents. Now, it’s been refined; to the PERFECTLY EXQUISITE nasty sexual habit that conjures up mental pictures of warped and painful sexual practice that demands parades and acting out. Parents like the Republican Senator who recently “came out” in support of “gay” marriage in tandem with the “ME,TOO!” declaration of Hillarious Clinton aren’t all that convincing that they’re all that delighted. TIRESOME!! If I turn the tv off, for me most of it does not exist.


31 posted on 03/26/2013 1:56:44 PM PDT by Twinkie (John 3:16)
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To: Northern Yankee

Thank You. I felt blessed to have then Clovis C. Coffman ( Buck) CPT USMC, Force Recon as a friend in my IOAC class (late 72-73 at Benning). Buck was a Force Recon legend.He was a mustang. Buch had 26 ribbons in 1973. That Navy Cross was earned. I admired Gunney.


32 posted on 03/26/2013 2:01:53 PM PDT by Lumper20 (`)
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To: T-Bird45

“Pat Robertson’s quip from the 1992 Republican National Convention pushed me over the edge: “Feminism,” he sneered, “encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians.”

Except for maybe the witchcraft I cant find anything wrong with the statement.

“Then, one ordinary day, I came to Jesus, openhanded and naked.”

Did Jesus wince?


33 posted on 03/26/2013 2:22:55 PM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (Obama being re-elected is the political equivalent of OJ being found not guilty.)
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To: T-Bird45
Despite being a tenured professor that espouses critical thinking as a key academic skill...

You can count on the fingers of one hand the number of tenured professors who even know critical thinking exists, let alone what it is and how to use it.

Critical thinking is being removed from the curriculum of government schools. Critical thinkers tend to NOT be go along to get along type people. And we can't have that!

34 posted on 03/26/2013 2:27:26 PM PDT by upchuck (Free Republic: faster than a speeding bullet!)
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To: T-Bird45

bmrk


35 posted on 03/26/2013 2:27:57 PM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Northern Yankee
"Fortunately most Christians are loving and forgiving"

Every Christian, everyone who believes in God, in whatever way they choose to express it, should read this brave woman's story.

Then they should ask themselves:

What would have happened, if, at any point in her journey, the Christians she met had been judgmental, and not been loving towards her?

What if they were the type of Christian's who go to the Church every Sunday, and congratulate themselves for doing so?

What if the people she first met were the type who sit in the front of the Church, and thank God that they are not like the sinners in the back?

What would have happened to her, if she had encountered these so-called Christians?

Thank God that she did not run into these types of believers.

Her story is a wonderful illustration of how the Lord works in a person's life, and THROUGH members of His flock, to bring that person to Him.

We ALL have" our former lives lurking in the edges of our hearts, shiny and still like knives." We must not ever forget how much we need the Lord's mercy, and to be thankful for it.

This woman's story should be required reading for every believer.

36 posted on 03/26/2013 2:38:03 PM PDT by Pajamajan (Pray for our nation. Thank the Lord for everything you have. Don't wait. Do it today.)
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Amen!

We as Christians are mindful of the sufferings that Christ went through during this Holy of Holy weeks. Our Lord continued to forgive those who would persecute him.

Do we not have a better example to follow than that?

God Bless you during this Holy Week, and have a blessed Easter.

37 posted on 03/26/2013 5:48:20 PM PDT by Northern Yankee (Where Liberty dwells, there is my Country. - Benjamin Franklin)
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38 posted on 03/26/2013 6:17:44 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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39 posted on 03/26/2013 6:19:45 PM PDT by narses
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no doubt the homostapo will go after her and good for her , hopefully more of her ilk speak up


40 posted on 03/26/2013 6:26:19 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: Brooklyn Attitude
“Then, one ordinary day, I came to Jesus, openhanded and naked.”

That was one of the most powerful lines in the article. It's precisely how all of us, if we are honest, come to Christ.

41 posted on 03/26/2013 7:37:44 PM PDT by prairiebreeze (Don't be afraid to see what you see. -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: T-Bird45

Fascinating read.


42 posted on 03/26/2013 7:48:22 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: T-Bird45

Llesbiah Christian???

Isn’t that an oxymoron?


43 posted on 03/26/2013 8:26:48 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: newheart; All

This may be slightly off-topic, but, as it deals with struggle, acceptance, and conversion, Gordon Prange’s book, “God’s Samurai” might be of interest to some of you.

It is the story of Mitsuo Fuchida’s WW2 career, including his leading the attack on Pearl Harbor, thru the defeat of Japan and his conversion to Christianity; for decades after the war, he criss-crossed Japan and the US as an evangelist.

His conversion began in earnest when he was participating in war crimes trials; in looking for examples of American cruelty to POWs he could use to expose American hypocrisy, he instead came across tales of respect, love and generosity told him by returning POWs. This was entirely alien to his upbringing and the Japanese mindset prevalent at the time which focused on revenge, not forgiveness.

As I said, some of you might find it interesting...


44 posted on 03/26/2013 10:08:26 PM PDT by bt_dooftlook (Democrats - the party of Amnesty, Abortion, and Adolescence)
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To: T-Bird45

There is a reason that we pray: “Lord, lead me not into temptation.”

There are many temptations and we are all visited by temptations which our love of the Lord, our families and our fellow man enable us to resist. It may not be easy, but it is necessary.


45 posted on 03/26/2013 10:44:02 PM PDT by gspurlock (http://www.backyardfence.wordpress.com)
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I wonder how long she will be able to keep her job. She will be denounced and branded a loony. No college—save for a Christian One—could accept her now. Her old life is over—BUT Jesus must have other plans for her!


46 posted on 03/27/2013 12:02:55 AM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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46 posted on 3/27/2013 2:02:55 AM by Forward the Light Brigade: "I wonder how long she will be able to keep her job. She will be denounced and branded a loony. No college—save for a Christian One—could accept her now. Her old life is over—BUT Jesus must have other plans for her!"

Actually, she left her job years ago. She is a pastor's wife and as far as I know she is a stay-at-home mother.

Being a pastor's wife in the Reformed Presbyterian Church in North America, a very conservative denomination which practices exclusive psalm-singing with no musical accompaniment, will complicate matters further as far as college faculty positions. The RPCNA is not a moderate denomination in any way, shape, or form. On the contrary, the RPCNA is one of the strictest and most conservative denominations in the entire Reformed world.

My guess is that sooner or later Geneva College (the RPCNA college) or maybe Covenant College (the PCA school) will ask if she is interested in a faculty position, which would have to be coordinated with a call to her husband to pastor a church within driving distance. Otherwise her options are probably nonexistent.

Questions sometimes exist in both liberal and Christian circles about whether "ex-gay" stories are real.

However, those who know just how conservative the RPCNA is will appreciate that there can be absolutely no question that the RPCNA has thoroughly, completely, and in great detail examined virtually every facet of her current and former life for a long period of time before admitting her to communicant membership, and the premarital counseling for her and her husband must have been even more in-depth. The RPCNA is not known for being loose in any way, shape or form. "Cheap grace" and "Covenanter" are not words that can be used in the same sentence.

BTW, this isn't any sort of criticism of the RPCNA. While I never joined the RPCNA, I attended one of their churches for a number of years when I lived in a community where the two local Reformed churches were both RPCNA congregations. They are too conservative for me (which says a lot since I am a **REALLY** right-wing Calvinist) but I have tremendous respect for their denomination and their convictions.

In this case, there is a good possibility that God brought Rosaria Champagne Butterfield into one of the most strictly conservative denominations in the entire world of conservative Christianity to eliminate any reasonable doubt that her conversion is something other than what it appears to be.

I'm pinging this out to the Great Reformed Ping list due to the RPCNA reference.

47 posted on 03/28/2013 4:36:59 AM PDT by darrellmaurina
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8 posted on 3/26/2013 2:28:29 PM by T-Bird45: “Here is a link to a Harvard Crimson article from 1997 when the CT author was actively decrying Promise Keepers in the way she describes in the CT article. It gives a contemporaneous look into the author’s mind without any editorial fog that may exist in the CT article.”

You are absolutely right. I hope reading this pre-conversion article by Dr. Rosaria Champagne Butterfield reminds conservative Freepers that the people who are today our bitter enemies can sometimes still be won over for the truth.

We need to remember that and treat our enemies accordingly. Yes, we need to fight with passion and fire, knowing that the people fighting us truly **ARE** fighting to destroy what we value, and need to be opposed with every tool at our disposal.

However, we need to use those tools appropriately and wisely. Sometimes we use a meat cleaver when we need a surgeon's scalpel, and we do tremendous damage as a result. Some of the things said in conservative circles simply are not appropriate and go beyond what should be said by Christians.

There are times that hating those who hate God -- not hating those who hate us, but those who truly are the sworn enemies of God -- is appropriate.

Psalm 139:19-22 is clear about this: "Surely thou wilt slay the wicked, O God: depart from me therefore, ye bloody men. For they speak against thee wickedly, and thine enemies take thy name in vain. Do not I hate them, O Lord, that hate thee? and am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee? I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies."

But the simple fact of the matter is that those who hate God are sometimes converted by the God they hate. When we forget that, we are no longer Christians but Pharisees. We need to remember that God converts sinners, and every one of us, even so-called "good conservative Christians," did nothing to deserve God's grace. We all deserve eternal damnation in hell.

Here are some quotes from the Harvard Crimson article which show just how radically leftist her views once were. Dr. Rosaria Champagne Butterfield once hated God. A pastor in one of the most conservative denominations in the conservative Christian world reached out to her and God used that for His glory. More of us should follow that model.

Pre-conversion comments by Dr. Rosaria Champagne Butterfield:

“The Promise Keepers are not run by a decent bunch of family-oriented white guys trying to revive their faith in Jesus Christ,” Champagne said.

She said that as an academic leftist, a feminist and an out lesbian, she felt compelled to speak out against what she saw as the repressive philosophies of the men's group.

Champagne said that the group's members have a strong male-dominated view of the world that represses the rights of women.

“The Promise Keepers’ vision of gender relations within the family looks like this: men submit to god and women and children submit to men,” she said.

Champagne criticized her university's decision to allow the Promise Keepers to use the Syracuse campus for a weekend.

Suggesting that her university's decision was financially motivated, Champagne said that allowing the Promise Keepers to use Syracuse facilities “tacitly condon[es] the manipulative practices and repressive thinking of the Promise Keepers.”

(SNIP)

Champagne's previously published book, The Politics of Survivorship, discussed incest in the context of feminist and queer theories and psychoanalysis, her three main fields of study.

48 posted on 03/28/2013 5:05:44 AM PDT by darrellmaurina
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To: darrellmaurina; Forward the Light Brigade
Actually, she left her job years ago.

Here is a podcast on her conversion.

She is quoted as saying that her conversion turned her life into a complicated and comprehensive chaos” and that This was my conversion in a nutshell: I lost everything but the dog.

Praise God from who all blessings flow.

49 posted on 03/28/2013 6:30:05 AM PDT by Gamecock (He is Risen!)
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To: darrellmaurina
In this case, there is a good possibility that God brought Rosaria Champagne Butterfield into one of the most strictly conservative denominations in the entire world of conservative Christianity to eliminate any reasonable doubt that her conversion is something other than what it appears to be.

It is interesting to me, how she jumped from as doctrinaire academic left as it is possible to be, straight to the hardcore. But, "these were the people God sent for her." (quoting from memory.)

Just guessing, but her old friends and associates probably class her as "never a real lesbian". Every group has a way of dealing with apostates.

50 posted on 03/28/2013 7:00:20 AM PDT by Lee N. Field ("You keep using that verse, but I do not think it means what you think it means." --I. Montoya)
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