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Rand Paul: Bush and Obama 'lucky' not to be in jail for drug use
POLITICO ^ | KEVIN CIRILLI

Posted on 03/24/2013 1:07:20 PM PDT by JohnPDuncan

Sen. Rand Paul said Sunday that President Barack Obama and former President George W. Bush could have "conceivably been put in jail” for their drug use, ruining their lives and impacting their getting elected to office.

"Look, the last two presidents could have conceivably been put in jail for their drug use and I really think - look what would've happened, it would've ruined their lives. They got lucky. But a lot of poor kids, particularly in the inner city, don't get lucky and they don't have good attorneys and they go to jail for some of these things and I think it's a big mistake,” the Kentucky Republican said on Fox’s “Fox News Sunday.”

"Actually, I think it would be the last three presidents, but who's counting?" host Chris Wallace said with a laugh, referring to former President Bill Clinton.

"There you go," Paul said.

"But he didn't inhale," Wallace quipped.

Paul said that he doesn’t support people using marijuana but said he also doesn’t necessarily support putting them in jail for extended periods of time.

(Excerpt) Read more at politico.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; Miscellaneous; US: Kentucky
KEYWORDS: 113tword; demagogue; dopersrights; drugs; drugwar; fff; kentucky; libertarians; medicalmarijuana; potheads; presidentswod; randpaul; randsconcerntrolls; revisionisthistory; rino; stuckonstupid; thekycandidate; warondrugs; waronterror; wod; wodlist; wosd
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1 posted on 03/24/2013 1:07:20 PM PDT by JohnPDuncan
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To: JohnPDuncan
Paul said that he doesn’t support people using marijuana but said he also doesn’t necessarily support putting them in jail for extended periods of time.

He's falling for the fantasy that people are in jail for the drug use when the reality is that they end up in jail over other crimes with drugs being an associated crime.
2 posted on 03/24/2013 1:10:47 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: JohnPDuncan

Good grief.


3 posted on 03/24/2013 1:11:19 PM PDT by ColdOne (I miss my poochie... Tasha 2000~3/14/11)
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To: cripplecreek

there’s a guy in federal jail for 40 years due to drug possession along with a ‘dangerous weapon’ (he had a gun on him when busted).

That is ridiculous.


4 posted on 03/24/2013 1:12:13 PM PDT by JohnPDuncan
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To: JohnPDuncan

Yeah, it’s a real shame Hussein wasn’t tossed in jail. Damn our luck.


5 posted on 03/24/2013 1:12:20 PM PDT by Monty22002
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To: JohnPDuncan

Um, that argument doesn’t resonate much with me, considering I could easily done without both Bush and Obama having political careers.


6 posted on 03/24/2013 1:12:31 PM PDT by greene66
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To: JohnPDuncan
coulda been a third timer...
7 posted on 03/24/2013 1:13:21 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: JohnPDuncan

I wasn’t aware that Bush admitted to anything.


8 posted on 03/24/2013 1:14:03 PM PDT by AppyPappy (You never see a massacre at a gun show.)
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To: JohnPDuncan

So if you remove the gun he would be in jail for 40 years?

I think I’d have to know a lot more about the case and his history.


9 posted on 03/24/2013 1:16:54 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek

Please don’t resort to logic and truth with such an emotional issue! /sarc


10 posted on 03/24/2013 1:19:16 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: cripplecreek

There are dozens of these cases where they get 40, 50 years.. sometimes due to repeat offense or ‘having a dangerous weapon’. The judges have no discretion because of Congress and their federal minimum sentences:

http://www.famm.org/


11 posted on 03/24/2013 1:20:41 PM PDT by JohnPDuncan
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To: JohnPDuncan

What illegal drug did George Bush use? Rand Paul is going off the deep end if he is accusing GW of having used illegal drugs. GW was a drinker and alcohol isn’t illegal.


12 posted on 03/24/2013 1:20:48 PM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: AppyPappy

You are right, he also expressly denied using ‘hard drugs’ which, of course, means to many an admission of using other drugs. I’m afraid Rand has been reading some of his daddy’s propaganda sources.


13 posted on 03/24/2013 1:21:22 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: Eagles6

Here you go.

Dude got 55 years!

http://www.famm.org/facesofFAMM/FederalProfiles/WeldonAngelos.aspx


14 posted on 03/24/2013 1:21:29 PM PDT by JohnPDuncan
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To: cripplecreek

Just the kind of psycho-babble I’d expect from the son of Ron Paul!


15 posted on 03/24/2013 1:23:54 PM PDT by Tucker39
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To: mnehring

The infamous “Bush did cocaine because we think he did”.


16 posted on 03/24/2013 1:23:57 PM PDT by AppyPappy (You never see a massacre at a gun show.)
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To: AppyPappy

For a rookie Senator, Paul may be letting his ego get out of hand, this was a stupid thing to claim about Bush, it was an ugly smear to promote drugs.


17 posted on 03/24/2013 1:24:50 PM PDT by ansel12 (" I would not be in the United States Senate if it wasnt for Sarah Palin " Cruz said.)
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To: JohnPDuncan

Sounds like Rand Paul is going the fair and balanced route which the Libs love.

Exactly what drug did Bush use?


18 posted on 03/24/2013 1:25:24 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: JohnPDuncan

19 posted on 03/24/2013 1:25:28 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: Eagles6

I know a guy with 3 different marijuana possession arrests over a 30 year period. The 4th time it was manufacturing with intent to distribute and he still didn’t go to jail.

He says they don’t send him to jail because he’s a good source of money for the state.


20 posted on 03/24/2013 1:26:41 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: freekitty

He has admitted on Doug Wead’s tape to “trying” marijuana:

Bush refused to answer questions about past marijuana use. In a taped conversation with a friend, Bush said “I wouldn’t answer the marijuana question. You know why? ‘Cause I don’t want some little kid doing what I tried.”

SOURCE:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Bush_substance_abuse_controversy


21 posted on 03/24/2013 1:28:24 PM PDT by JohnPDuncan
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To: AppyPappy

He has admitted on tape to “trying” marijuana and refused to deny snorting cocaine.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Bush_substance_abuse_controversy


22 posted on 03/24/2013 1:30:26 PM PDT by JohnPDuncan
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23 posted on 03/24/2013 1:31:43 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: JohnPDuncan
Sentence: 55 years

Offense: 3 counts of possession of a firearm in furtherance of a drug trafficking crime; 13 additional drug, firearm, and money laundering charges


As I figured, that's considerably more than simple possession and that's from the site you provided. Now I'm off to find an un biased source.
24 posted on 03/24/2013 1:33:10 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: ansel12

Paul can’t help but show his Libertarian side. Nuttiness usually walks hand-in-hand with libertarian political leanings. I’m sure there are some level-headed libertarians, I just haven’t met one yet. It attracts some really whacked out people.

Neal Boortz is probably the notable exception.


25 posted on 03/24/2013 1:33:14 PM PDT by AppyPappy (You never see a massacre at a gun show.)
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To: cripplecreek

“He’s falling for the fantasy that people are in jail for the drug use when the reality is that they end up in jail over other crimes with drugs being an associated crime.”

Perhaps a falicy many voters fall for as well. Maybe we should let this and all future reference pass?

In any-event the Federal government has no business making or enforcing laws against drugs except when those drugs are in the act of crossing an international or State line.

Even then it should be our States that do the bulk of the enforcing. The Federal constitution contains no authorization for such domestic laws.


26 posted on 03/24/2013 1:34:18 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: JohnPDuncan

Refused to deny.

There is a wobbly hook to hang your hat on.


27 posted on 03/24/2013 1:35:01 PM PDT by AppyPappy (You never see a massacre at a gun show.)
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To: cripplecreek

So you think an automatic 55 year sentence is proportionate to his “crime” or do you agree with Rand that the judge should have discretion to cut that to say, 8 years?


28 posted on 03/24/2013 1:35:01 PM PDT by JohnPDuncan
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To: JohnPDuncan

He didn’t get 55 yrs for smoking a joint.


29 posted on 03/24/2013 1:35:32 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: AppyPappy

He admitted trying pot and refused to deny snorting coke before 1974. He was very specific about that.


30 posted on 03/24/2013 1:35:45 PM PDT by JohnPDuncan
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To: mnehring

He’s not wrong.


31 posted on 03/24/2013 1:38:30 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: JohnPDuncan

Oh, how lucky we are.

[Little irony and sarcasm there. Imagine an America with presidents who had not been on drugs.]


32 posted on 03/24/2013 1:43:01 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: cripplecreek

Correct... it is the associated crimes of drug use that get people locked up

Yet have I heard of anyone get arrested for flunking an employer drug test. Even the military sends a serviceman/ woman to rehab instead of jail

And, the way Rand has been going liberal in recent times, he would give Obama amnesty....


33 posted on 03/24/2013 1:44:51 PM PDT by SeminoleCounty (GOP = Greenlighting Obama's Programs)
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To: SeminoleCounty

Yes the associated crime of having a firearm... and locked up for 55 years? Please. That’s ridiculous.


34 posted on 03/24/2013 1:47:15 PM PDT by JohnPDuncan
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To: AppyPappy
Neal Boortz is probably the notable exception.

No, he's also a drug addled, packer-loving, baby-killer.

35 posted on 03/24/2013 1:48:52 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Hey RATS! Control your murdering freaks.)
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To: greene66

That and we aren’t talking about getting rid of sexual assault and harassment laws just because Clinton was president.


36 posted on 03/24/2013 1:50:25 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: JohnPDuncan

Busted.

Rand is 100 percent correct once again.


37 posted on 03/24/2013 1:52:02 PM PDT by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave ofo attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: JohnPDuncan

Drugs are a part of Obama’s gay lifestyle, and the accusation that Bush did drugs is wishful thinking on the part of his enemies. Rand should distance himself from his daddy’s nonsense.


38 posted on 03/24/2013 1:53:17 PM PDT by pallis
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To: JohnPDuncan

I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again I don’t give a rats tush how many of you PaulBOTS post snotty responses Rand Paul is as nuts as his father, and doesn’t qualify to be anywhere near that WH in a day, and age we the people need sane, as well as gutsy leadership.


39 posted on 03/24/2013 1:53:33 PM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: cripplecreek
At a previous job, a guy, we'll call him Sean, that I worked with had a baby with his girlfriend, unmarried of course. She had the full welfare ride and he lived in her Section 8 apartment, took full advantage of the freebies.

The girlfriend's cousin and the cousin's boyfriend held large quantities of pot and other drugs for a dealer. Someone ripped them off and executed them both. My coworker's girlfriend missed being caught up in the action by minutes.

Flash forward 6 mos. the employer notifies us that we will be drug tested in 3 mos. On the day of his drug test Sean stands up and says "Been nice working with everyone, see ya later".

Apparently he smoked a lot of weed and wouldn't / couldn't quit for a few months in order to pass a drug test and keep his job even though he had a 6 month old son.

40 posted on 03/24/2013 1:54:06 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: cripplecreek

I guess that would depend if you felt that having an oz of pot, deserves jail time.
I do know people who have gone to jail over this issue, now was it long, no, always less than two months and most just got probation.


41 posted on 03/24/2013 1:54:28 PM PDT by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: JohnPDuncan

I have heard of Clinton and Obama using drugs but not Bush -what have I missed.


42 posted on 03/24/2013 1:54:42 PM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: SeminoleCounty
The trial, which began Monday, also will feature testimony about alleged gang activity, which raised safety concerns in at least one juror. U.S. District Judge Paul Cassell tried to reassure the jury, saying that no special security procedures were needed in the matter. "This is just a routine type of case we're handling here," he said.

Angelos is charged with 20 counts of distribution of marijuana, possession of a firearm in furtherance of a drug trafficking crime, possession of a stolen firearm, possession of a firearm with a removed serial number, money laundering and for using a controlled substance while in possession of a firearm. He faces up to 135 years behind bars if convicted on all charges.


From drug friendly Rap News because he had famous rap stars testifying for him.

I personally I'm not wildly opposed to marijuana legalization but have no use for the lying they use to get it. This is far more than a simple case of possession. That said, it does seem excessive but that has nothing to do with marijuana.
43 posted on 03/24/2013 1:55:39 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: JohnPDuncan

What is it people are smoking? Dubya had a drug problem? Really? All the time he was flying a Delta Dagger in the Nat. Guard?


44 posted on 03/24/2013 1:56:05 PM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Vendetta))
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To: JohnPDuncan

President Bush took drugs? I don’t recall ever hearing that.


45 posted on 03/24/2013 1:58:53 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: cripplecreek

From what I’ve been told, the pot ban was only the result of some Democrat pol making it his main election point, something to carry him. Before that, it wasn’t even an issue.


46 posted on 03/24/2013 1:59:55 PM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Vendetta))
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To: JohnPDuncan

Even if that story is true, “using” and “trying” are not the same thing. This story indicates that Rand Paul is not so different from his father, who is a nutcase.


47 posted on 03/24/2013 2:04:20 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: JohnPDuncan

Paul seems to have forgotten that Bill Clinton’s brother said he has a nose like a vacuum cleaner and hedged on the “did not inhale” comment about smoking pot.

Bring forth those who said they snorted coke with Boosh. You stand a better chance to find someone who went to college with Obammy and few if any character witnesses have stepped forward.

Rand Paul should pick his battles.


48 posted on 03/24/2013 2:04:42 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: JohnPDuncan

Ask Willie Nelson how minimum sentences work. He carries enough pot and mushrooms to be categorized as a dealer and he continually walks.


49 posted on 03/24/2013 2:06:40 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: Monorprise

Agreed.


50 posted on 03/24/2013 2:08:11 PM PDT by Girlene
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