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Methane hydrate joins shale gas and deep sea gas
Times of London via www.mattridley.co.uk ^ | 16 March 2013 | Matt Ridley

Posted on 03/20/2013 5:04:22 PM PDT by Fractal Trader

The gas age is good news

Methane hydrate joins shale gas and deep sea gas

I have the following article in the Times on 15 March:

 

Move over shale gas, here comes methane hydrate. (Perhaps.) On Tuesday the Japanese government’s drilling ship Chikyu started flaring off gas from a hole drilled into a solid deposit of methane and ice, 300 metres beneath the seabed under 1000 metres of water, 30 miles off the Japanese coast.

 

The real significance of this gas flare probably lies decades in the future, though the Japanese are talking about commercial production by 2018. The technology for getting fuel out of hydrated methane, also known as clathrate, is in its infancy. After many attempts to turn this “fire ice” into gas by heating it proved uneconomic, the technology used this week – depressurizing the stuff – was first tested five years ago in Northern Canada. It looks much more promising.

 

Methane hydrate is found all around the world beneath the seabed near continental margins as well as in the Arctic under land. Any combination of low temperature and high pressure causes methane and water to crystallise together in a sort of molecular lattice. Nobody knows exactly how much there is, but probably more than all the coal and oil put together, let alone other gas.

 

The proof that hydrate can be extracted should finally bury the stubborn myth that the world will run out of fossil fuels in any meaningful sense in the next few centuries, let alone decades. In 1866, William Stanley Jevons persuaded Gladstone that coal would soon run out. In 1922 a United States Presidential Commission said “Already the output of gas has begun to wane. Production of oil cannot long maintain its present rate.” In 1956, M. King Hubbert of Shell forecast that American gas production would peak in 1970. In 1977 Jimmy Carter said oil production would start to decline in “six or eight years”. Woops.

 

The key will be cost. However, Japan currently pays more than five times as much for natural gas as America so even high-cost gas will be welcome there. The American economy, drunk on cheap shale gas, will not rush to develop hydrate. (Unlike oil, there is no world price of gas because of the expense of liquefying it for transport by ship.)

(chart from here: http://images.rcp.realclearpolitics.com/172408_5_.jpg)

The shale gas revolution is effectively already putting a ceiling on the price of energy. America has lost its appetite for gas imports, which now go to Europe and Asia instead, but is gaining an appetite for exporting gas. Domestically, America’s cheap gas has caused electricity generators to switch from coal to gas, and buses and trucks to start switching from oil to gas. Even if hydrate proves stubbornly expensive – and it’s generally wise not to bet against Japanese ingenuity – it will put a roof over this price ceiling.

 

Hydrate and shale are not the only new sources of gas. Thanks to newly perfected drilling technology, new deep-sea gas fields are coming online off Brazil, Africa, and in the eastern Mediterranean. The days when gas production was concentrated in a few charming places like Iran, Russia, Venezuela and Qatar are gone.

 

Indeed, one of the best ways to love the new gas-fired future is to list the people who detest it. As recounted in a new documentary film called “FrackNation”, Vladimir Putin, at a dinner with journalists in 2011, suddenly became agitated about the supposed devastation of Pennsylvania by shale gas industry. His new-found concern for the Appalachian countryside might just have something to do with the threat that shale gas poses to Gazprom’s stranglehold on European markets.

 

For those still concerned about climate change, this is also good news. In atomic terms, methane is one-fifth carbon and four-fifths hydrogen. Not even the most die-hard environmentalist can find anything bad to say about burnt hydrogen, or “water”. Given that combined-cycle gas turbines run at higher energy-conversion efficiency than coal-fired steam turbines, the carbon dioxide output from gas-fired electricity is well below half that of coal-fired.

 

Thanks to shale gas, America’s carbon dioxide emissions in energy production have plummeted by nearly 20% in five years without political targets or policies, while Europe’s have hardly changed despite expensive schemes to subsidise the producers of renewable energy and penalize fossil fuels. (Apart from hydro, which has little capacity for expansion, and biomass, which is environmentally worse than fossil fuels, renewable energy remains an irrelevance in the energy debate. Even now, Britain still gets less than one percent of its total energy from wind.)

 

Moreover, there is a possibility that methane hydrate could be almost carbon neutral. The University of Bergen in Norway has developed a process that pumps carbon dioxide into the hydrate deposits, where it replaces the methane, turning methane hydrate into carbon dioxide hydrate. The results from a field trial in Alaska are expected any day. If this process can be scaled up, and if the carbon dioxide from burning the methane could be captured economically (big ifs), in future Japan could run on fossil fuels but generate almost no carbon emissions.

 

As it takes market share from oil and coal, gas will dominate the world’s energy supply for much of this century, before perhaps giving way to something cheaper. That could be cheaper and safer forms of nuclear energy based probably on thorium rather than uranium, or maybe solar power.

 

Not only has cheap gas given the United States falling carbon dioxide emissions, it has also delivered it a huge competitive advantage in manufacturing. Firms are “re-shoring” their operations from Europe and even China, as the low cost of American gas outbids the low cost of Chinese labour. To be competitive, countries must have either cheap labour or cheap energy. The European elite’s strange determination to have neither is the root cause of its current stagnation.

 

Update: Predictably one reader did indeed object to the statement that "not even the most die-hard environmentalist can find anything bad to say about burnt water". Here's my reply:

You say in response to my Times article that the production of H2O through the burning of fossil fuels is "actually worth worrying about". It made me get out my calculator! I'm not much of a physicist or mathematician, so feel free to check my working.

We produce about 26 billion tonnes of CO2 a year by burning fossil fuels.

CO2 molecular weight is about 6 times that of water.

So, assuming our average fossil fuel atomic ratio is about CH2 (i.e., half way between gas and coal),

Then we produce about 9 billion tonnes of water vapour each year by burning fossil fuels.

Total worldwide evaporation and precipitation of H2O is 550,000km3/yr.

1 km3 = 1.57 billion tonnes.

So 863,000 billion tonnes of water falls from the sky each year.

9/863,000 = c 1/100,000

So fossil fuel burning adds 0.001% to the natural water cycle. 99.999% of rainfall is natural.

Of course, local effects could be larger, but are just as likely to be beneficial as bad, and that would make the general effect smaller still.

"Worth worrying about"? Surely not compared with other environmental issues?

2nd update: I made two mistakes above, according to those with better physics knowledge than me. The molecular weight of CO2 is 2.5 times that of water; and  1 km3 of water weighs 1 billion tonnes (of course). So the true result is that fossil fuel burning is adding 0.002% to natural precipitation, not 0.001%. Still well short of "worth worrying about".

 




TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: americlean; energy; fleebailey; fracking; fuelcell; fuelcells; methane; methanehydrates; opec; petroleum; raygorte

1 posted on 03/20/2013 5:04:22 PM PDT by Fractal Trader
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To: thackney

Your thoughts? He indicates that it might not be cheaper than shale gas, but could still be quite profitable for Japan.


2 posted on 03/20/2013 5:05:33 PM PDT by Fractal Trader
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To: Fractal Trader

If we demand expensive energy we’ll never develop the technology to have clean energy. Eventually we’ll use all the easy and cheap energy and we won’t have the tech or the cash to develop anything further. At that point it’s doomsday.


3 posted on 03/20/2013 5:14:00 PM PDT by Bogey78O (We had a good run. Coulda been great still.)
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To: Fractal Trader

The environmental movement will opposes this not because it wouldn’t be cleaner but because it would not equal governmental control. The environmental movement is not about saving the planet it is about enslaving the population


4 posted on 03/20/2013 5:22:07 PM PDT by Fai Mao (Genius at Large)
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To: Fai Mao

Actually I think most greenies—the ordinary, little guys—think that they are saving the planet. But the politicians know differently. As you suggest, their purpose is to enslave the population.

And probably the big guns at the top of the environmental movement—Greenpeace, the Sierra Club, and so forth—also know differently, as they work hand in glove with the politicians.


5 posted on 03/20/2013 6:02:18 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Cicero

I would also suggest that it represents a full-employment scheme for the fear-mongers.

If there are no ghosts, then Ghostbusters, Inc. goes out of business.


6 posted on 03/20/2013 6:04:52 PM PDT by abb
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To: Fractal Trader

The largest extinction event in the history of Earth was because of this methane raising the temperature. It nearly killed all life on Earth. What this means is this technology is actually DOING THE EARTH A FAVOR. It is using up the stuff before it becomes a threat again! (Plus more carbon into the system eventually means more life)


7 posted on 03/20/2013 6:13:52 PM PDT by Nateman (If liberals are not screaming you are doing it wrong!)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

There’s an 8000 year supply just waiting down there.

Thanks Fractal Trader.


8 posted on 03/20/2013 6:22:26 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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The proof that hydrate can be extracted should finally bury the stubborn myth that the world will run out of fossil fuels in any meaningful sense in the next few centuries, let alone decades. In 1866, William Stanley Jevons persuaded Gladstone that coal would soon run out. In 1922 a United States Presidential Commission said “Already the output of gas has begun to wane. Production of oil cannot long maintain its present rate.” In 1956, M. King Hubbert of Shell forecast that American gas production would peak in 1970. In 1977 Jimmy Carter said oil production would start to decline in “six or eight years”.


9 posted on 03/20/2013 6:24:14 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Futurists and Central Planners know all.


10 posted on 03/20/2013 8:03:40 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Fractal Trader

The “cheapness” of methane hydrate will come from its widespread nearness to where fuel is needed. It will also dry up any global shipping of LPG, which will reduce fuel costs even more.

Oil will be relegated to the poorest 3rd World countries, 3rd World thinkers (like China and Russia) and lubricants.

Can’t wait to hear what the greenies come up with trying to block global cheap fuel.


11 posted on 03/20/2013 8:06:56 PM PDT by X-spurt (Republic of Texas, Come and Take It!)
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To: Fractal Trader

Producing methane hydrate predictably and safely is fiendishly difficult. Not just complicated it may even be nearly impossible.

Hydrates are metastable:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metastability

They mostly exist right at the edge of formation or even at conditions less than required for stability.

Hydrates of methane form along the lines of the Katz Hydrate Formation Curve. This describes a combination of pressure and reduced temperatures required for formation of the hydrate. Reversal of the hydrate formation conditions is mostly unpredictable... see metastability.

You may reduce the pressure or increase the temperature and liberate free gas but not necessarily along the Katz Curve. The dissolution usually takes place unpredictably and massively. Potentially one could make the entire mass unstable and liberate free methane gas all at once instead of in a controlled release metered as need arises. This is why we are some way away from reliable production of a vast resource and remain unable to convert it to a vast reserve of natural gas.


12 posted on 03/21/2013 7:33:12 AM PDT by Sequoyah101
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To: Fractal Trader
Natural Gas / LNG price greatly vary around the world. Japan is very expensive and they options may well methane hydrate affordable for them and out of consideration for us.

Prices as of June 2012

13 posted on 03/21/2013 8:42:07 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Fractal Trader
Domestically, America’s cheap gas has caused electricity generators to switch from coal to gas

No. Regulations were the initial driving factor. Much of that change came when the cost of natural gas was still high and coal was cheaper.

That said, I think the methane hydrates may serve a different purpose. When the water from the oceans gets trapped in vast, miles thick continental ice sheets, the hydrostatic pressure is off the hydrate deposits (sea level drops), and the CH4 can break out--a greenhouse gas--and help reverse the cycle.

It may be better left alone, if it is part of one of the natural temperature regulation mechanisms which keeps the globe inhabitable.

If there is a way to analyze the isotope content and age date the deposits, they should all be of a similar age, or at least show a pattern which would indicate if the hydrates may be part of the cycle.

If my hypothesis can be definitively ruled out, have at it.

14 posted on 03/21/2013 9:00:02 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Those methane hydrates are not sitting on the open sea floor, they are buried under layers of sediments. A lot are not even on shore but buried beneath the soil. The is a large deposit on the Alaskan North Slope, about 1,200 ~ 1,800 feet deep and below the permafrost. They have to heated to be removed.

Japan used depressurization, but they also dug down into the sea bed to reach that layer as well.


15 posted on 03/21/2013 10:18:40 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney
I guess the question is one of how much depressurization is needed to break them loose. Take off the hydrostatic from the seawater, dry out the sediment, even frost fracture it, and is that enough?

Something reversed the previous series of ice ages, long before SUVs. Was that mechanism inherent to this planet, a matter of solar cycles, or a combination?

With the possibility of hydrate boils even mentioned as a possible reason for disappearances of naval vessels and other 'Bermuda Triangle' type disappearances, I wonder that there isn't enough nearer to the seabeds to accomplish the temperature trend reversals. Sadly, honest research would be needed to determine whether hydrates were a factor in ending ice ages, and that would be tough to come by.

16 posted on 03/21/2013 11:24:23 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Smokin' Joe
Something reversed the previous series of ice ages, long before SUVs. Was that mechanism inherent to this planet, a matter of solar cycles, or a combination?

My guess, and only a guess, was a reversal of the sun output that created the ice age in the first place.

From what I have read about the two methane hydrate production test wells on the Alaskan North slope, it took significant amounts of heat, far above any possible ambient conditions to release the methane hydrates.

17 posted on 03/21/2013 11:36:59 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Smokin' Joe
This chart gives some possibility to your theory, but I think the amount of cover, even after drying up of the seabed still makes it unlikely, assuming the quantity was significant for significant global warming.

Keep in mind that Japan's experiment was conducted 300 meters below the seabed. Their plans involve going where the resources are more significant, up to 7,000 feet below the seabed and with sea depths of up to 4,000 feet.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/energy/9924836/Japan-cracks-seabed-ice-gas-in-dramatic-leap-for-global-energy.html

The Alaska work is related below:


18 posted on 03/21/2013 11:49:10 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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