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California Seizes Guns As Owners Lose Right To Keep Arms
Western Journalism Center ^ | March 12, 2013 | none stated

Posted on 03/12/2013 5:20:49 PM PDT by Texas Fossil

Wearing bulletproof vests and carrying 40-caliber Glock pistols, nine California Justice Department agents assembled outside a ranch-style house in a suburb east of Los Angeles. They were looking for a gun owner who’d recently spent two days in a mental hospital.

They knocked on the door and asked to come in. About 45 minutes later, they came away peacefully with three firearms.

California is the only state that tracks and disarms people with legally registered guns who have lost the right to own them, according to Attorney General Kamala Harris. Almost 20,000 gun owners in the state are prohibited from possessing firearms, including convicted felons, those under a domestic violence restraining order or deemed mentally unstable.

“What do we do about the guns that are already in the hands of persons who, by law, are considered too dangerous to possess them?” Harris said in a letter to Vice President Joe Biden after a Connecticut school shooting in December left 26 dead. She recommended that Biden, heading a White House review of gun policy, consider California as a national model.

As many as 200,000 people nationwide may no longer be qualified to own firearms, according to Garen Wintemute, director of the Violence Prevention Research Program at the University of California, Davis. Other states may lack confiscation programs because they don’t track purchases as closely as California, which requires most weapons sales go through a licensed dealer and be reported.


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KEYWORDS: banglist; california; confiscation; gun; guncontrol; mental; secondamendment
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3 guns were confiscated. No charges were made. This was precipitated by a nurses notes on an admission of the wife to a mental hospital.

It has been reported that most weapons confiscated by this process are destroyed.

Kalifornia.

1 posted on 03/12/2013 5:20:49 PM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: Texas Fossil

anyone still claiming that registration doesn’t lead to confiscation?


2 posted on 03/12/2013 5:25:18 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Texas Fossil

Cops: We’re here to get your guns.
Woman: Get a search warrant.

Problem solved.


3 posted on 03/12/2013 5:26:14 PM PDT by struggle (http://killthegovernment.wordpress.com/)
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To: Texas Fossil

I hope this policy will not lead to unnecessary deaths, but it seems risky. How many gun owners will be reluctant to get mental health help if they know that they could permanently lose their rights to hunt and to defend themselves at the whim of a single socialist nurse?


4 posted on 03/12/2013 5:26:53 PM PDT by Pollster1
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To: GeronL

Bump! Almost instant.


5 posted on 03/12/2013 5:27:27 PM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: Texas Fossil

Ping for later


6 posted on 03/12/2013 5:28:20 PM PDT by NewHampshireDuo
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To: Texas Fossil

And school/doctor/pharmacy records will be accessed for each ADHD, ADD pupil. They will be put on the “list” and denied the right to purchase a gun. ( if Kalifornia doesn’t ban them alltogether).


7 posted on 03/12/2013 5:28:40 PM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Pollster1

Check with the Caliornia state legislature ~ they’re mostly nut cases, and they’ve all got weapons.


8 posted on 03/12/2013 5:29:31 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: struggle
Cops: We’re here to get your guns. Woman: Get a search warrant.

Problem solved.

LOL...how naive....they break your door down, shoot your dog, violate you and your family in every way imaginable, then you have to spend more money than you have to get "justice"

We don't need no steenkin warrant serf.....

9 posted on 03/12/2013 5:34:53 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

>> LOL...how naive....they break your door down, shoot your dog, violate you and your family in every way imaginable, then you have to spend more money than you have to get “justice”

>>We don’t need no steenkin warrant serf.....

They were denied entry to a house because they had no search warrant.


10 posted on 03/12/2013 5:37:25 PM PDT by struggle (http://killthegovernment.wordpress.com/)
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To: Pollster1

Pretty bad precedent even for Kalifornia.


11 posted on 03/12/2013 5:37:35 PM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: struggle
They were denied entry to a house because they had no search warrant.

Works every time it's tried too, huh?

12 posted on 03/12/2013 5:38:55 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

>>They were denied entry to a house because they had no search warrant.

>Works every time it’s tried too, huh?

It does if they don’t want to get sued.


13 posted on 03/12/2013 5:41:28 PM PDT by struggle (http://killthegovernment.wordpress.com/)
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To: struggle

It can take as little as 15 minutes to obtain a search warrant. You might want to come up with a different plan.


14 posted on 03/12/2013 5:43:15 PM PDT by Gator113 ( ~just keep livin~)
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To: Gator113

>>It can take as little as 15 minutes to obtain a search warrant. You might want to come up with a different plan.

That’s fine. Let the judge justify the criminal charges associated with the warrant.


15 posted on 03/12/2013 5:44:18 PM PDT by struggle (http://killthegovernment.wordpress.com/)
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To: Gaffer
And school/doctor/pharmacy records will be accessed for each ADHD, ADD pupil. They will be put on the “list” and denied the right to purchase a gun. ( if Kalifornia doesn’t ban them alltogether).

Even worse, remember in the USSR they simply arrested dissidents and committed them to an asylum. The Kalifornia system could then seize all their assets. Like good little Commies.

16 posted on 03/12/2013 5:44:53 PM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: struggle
It does if they don’t want to get sued.

You're joking, right?

You think they give a damn about getting sued when they don't pay the price?

When they start prosecuting the violators and holding them criminally responsible, then stripping them of their pensions instead of the tax payers, be sure to alert me.

17 posted on 03/12/2013 5:45:54 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: struggle

BTW, let me know how this law suit turned out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-taU9d26wT4


18 posted on 03/12/2013 5:48:29 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: Texas Fossil

OK, so this woman went in for a mental health issue. Was she ajudicated mentally defective?


19 posted on 03/12/2013 5:48:33 PM PDT by umgud
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To: Gaffer

from a link after the article:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-03-12/california-seizes-guns-as-owners-lose-right-to-bear-arms.html?cmpid=yhoo

CA seized 2,000 weapons last year and 117,000 rounds of ammunition and 11,000 high-capacity magazines, according to state data.

Most of the weapons are destroyed.

Well Well Well

Kalifornia


20 posted on 03/12/2013 5:49:20 PM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: umgud

Nope.


21 posted on 03/12/2013 5:50:36 PM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: struggle

There were no charges, civil or criminal.

No trial.

As far as a hearing before a Judge, I suspect some judge signed off on this confiscation.

Due process does not exist here.


22 posted on 03/12/2013 5:52:15 PM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: struggle

It would disgust you to know how easy that is to do.

Good luck.


23 posted on 03/12/2013 5:52:37 PM PDT by Gator113 ( ~just keep livin~)
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To: Texas Fossil

Garen Wintemute is down right creepy.


24 posted on 03/12/2013 5:52:49 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Texas Fossil
"No one was arrested. Most seized weapons are destroyed, Gregory said. "

So even if it was your spouse comitted or treated, they seize your weapons, and destroy them...
25 posted on 03/12/2013 5:52:50 PM PDT by 45semi (A police state is always preceded by a nanny state...)
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To: Texas Fossil

Isn’t this what people want, enforcement of the existing laws?


26 posted on 03/12/2013 5:54:18 PM PDT by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: LucyT; Jack Black; Travis McGee; Nachum; cripplecreek

FYI Ping!


27 posted on 03/12/2013 5:55:36 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: 45semi

It is not perfectly clear that is the outcome, but it is implied in the wording of the article.

It is a fact that most weapons confiscated by police are very difficult to recover.


28 posted on 03/12/2013 5:55:36 PM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: TigersEye

“How they’ll try to make it happen in some places” ping.


29 posted on 03/12/2013 5:57:53 PM PDT by cyn (Benghazi...the travesty continues)
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To: mylife

Yep, very creepy looking. AND his thinking is Insane.

http://www.google.com/url?source=imgres&ct=img&q=http://www.ucdmc.ucdavis.edu/news/images/body/wintemute_patient.jpg&sa=X&ei=gM8_UZD1Bcmi2gW29IGoBg&ved=0CAQQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNHpwoFj4BHe-oNWmaZyER8ntgCDow

http://ucdavismagazine.ucdavis.edu/issues/su12/graphics/wintemute_garen.jpg


30 posted on 03/12/2013 6:01:37 PM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: 45semi

Yup.

You become depressed after a death in the family and go to the Dr for Prozac, they take your guns away and the spouses guns away.

The Ex Wife gets a restraining order because she “feels threatened”, they take your guns away.


31 posted on 03/12/2013 6:02:04 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Texas Fossil

32 posted on 03/12/2013 6:02:32 PM PDT by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: Texas Fossil

A nurse’s notes from something his wife said- really? WOW I hope there is at least a competency hearing for him to have a chance to defend himself if he does not agree.


33 posted on 03/12/2013 6:03:35 PM PDT by Tammy8 (~Secure the border and deport all illegals- do it now! ~ Support our Troops!~)
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To: Fresh Wind

Talk about creepy.

But I look out my door and this is still Texas where I live.

If they think this will work here or that Texas is going to be like Kalifornia, They are WRONG....


34 posted on 03/12/2013 6:04:51 PM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: Texas Fossil

Agreed.


35 posted on 03/12/2013 6:05:00 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Gator113

Oh, I know. I lived in Cali for 5 years. Aaaaaand, I moved.


36 posted on 03/12/2013 6:06:21 PM PDT by struggle (http://killthegovernment.wordpress.com/)
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To: GeronL

Dollars to donuts this was not a gun registration issue.

This guy had a background check at the time of purchase, and that information is supposed to be purged after the approval process.

Guess where they got the info on the guns this guy owned.


37 posted on 03/12/2013 6:06:34 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (How about a waiting period for putting crazies out on the streets, say a million years or so.)
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To: Tammy8
The insane are running the asylum
38 posted on 03/12/2013 6:06:55 PM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: DoughtyOne

No, this is not a registration issue.

It was triggered by something noted by a nurse when his wife entered a Psyc Hospital.

That put her on the no gun list and because he live with her his were confiscated.

They did nothing illegal, no charges were made, guns were taken by police....


39 posted on 03/12/2013 6:09:38 PM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: Texas Fossil

Doesn’t the constitution say no private property can be taken for public use without compensation? Aren’t guns private property? I don’t believe it’s a crime to receive mental health treatment. Even if the state has the right to take guns from people who haven’t committed a crime, doesn’t the state still have to pay for the property that’s taken???


40 posted on 03/12/2013 6:10:32 PM PDT by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
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To: Texas Fossil

I appreciate your thoughts there, but your state is allowing itself to be occupied just like California did. Sooner or later things go upside down when that happens.

In time, Texas will be Californi-like, unless it puts a stop to what killed California.


41 posted on 03/12/2013 6:10:32 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (How about a waiting period for putting crazies out on the streets, say a million years or so.)
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To: Texas Fossil

True Texas Fossil, but the point is, they knew he had guns.

We don’t have to register our weapons in state.

How did they know he had guns to take?


42 posted on 03/12/2013 6:12:03 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (How about a waiting period for putting crazies out on the streets, say a million years or so.)
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To: cyn

Yes, it’s one way they can chip away at gun ownership. Pretty slow going though as it won’t apply to many. This lady wasn’t legally adjudicated mentally incompetent to she has some leverage to fight this. That means letting some lawyer/s tap your bank account though. If she does have a case they should contact the NRA, get some legal advice/help there and get this case known so they can get legal and financial help. Gotta make these commies lose as often as possible.


43 posted on 03/12/2013 6:12:13 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: umgud

umgud: “Was she ajudicated mentally defective?”

That’s a very good question. Constitutional rights aren’t unlimited, but there’s also something in there about not being able to punish people without giving them a proper trial.


44 posted on 03/12/2013 6:12:53 PM PDT by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
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To: CitizenUSA

Not sure. Probably depends on state law.

Are offending state laws Constitutional? Do you expect an Obozo court to find in the favor of the citizens rights.

He thinks he is above the law and makes them up as they go along.

DICTATOR? He thinks so. So do the Commie Dems.

We shall see.


45 posted on 03/12/2013 6:13:30 PM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: Texas Fossil

There should have been a shootout. Just taking out 2 of them is a positive.


46 posted on 03/12/2013 6:14:11 PM PDT by meyer (When people fear the government, you have Tyranny)
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To: Texas Fossil

This article is not clear who was in the mental hospital- the woman or her husband.


47 posted on 03/12/2013 6:14:19 PM PDT by Tammy8 (~Secure the border and deport all illegals- do it now! ~ Support our Troops!~)
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To: DoughtyOne

I am sure that CA requires handgun registery.


48 posted on 03/12/2013 6:14:35 PM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: Tammy8

If you read the link to bloomberg at the bottom of the article it is clear the woman was admitted to Psyc Hospital.


49 posted on 03/12/2013 6:15:37 PM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: muawiyah
Check with the Caliornia state legislature ~ they’re mostly nut cases, and they’ve all got weapons.

I could not agree more. There are lots of other people in CA with guns who scare the hell out of me and no one in law enforcement seems a bit interested in seizing their weapons: the Crips, Bloods, Fifth Street Gang, the Mexican Mafia, MS-13, the 38th St. Gang,violent drug-financed motorcycle gangs and so on. Where's the focus on the real criminals?

50 posted on 03/12/2013 6:15:49 PM PDT by Bernard Marx
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