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PRO-GUN VOTERS PUT HEAT ON DEMOCRATIC SENATORS
Associated Press ^ | Mar 9, 2013 | MATT GOURAS

Posted on 03/09/2013 9:06:53 PM PST by neverdem

HELENA, Mont. (AP) -- U.S. Sen. Max Baucus has been here before.

Back during the Clinton era, the Democrat faced a choice: support an assault weapons ban urged by a president from his own party and risk angering constituents who cherish their gun rights, or buck his party. He chose the ban, and nearly lost his Senate seat.

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Other Democratic senators that Republicans are watching closely include Mark Begich of Alaska, Kay Hagan of North Carolina, Tim Johnson of South Dakota, Mary Landrieu of Louisiana and Mark Pryor of Arkansas....

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; secondamendment

1 posted on 03/09/2013 9:06:53 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Democrats are so gullible... except for the evil ones..


2 posted on 03/09/2013 9:45:11 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: neverdem
Back during the Clinton era, the Democrat faced a choice: support an assault weapons ban urged by a president from his own party and risk angering constituents who cherish their gun rights, or buck his party. He chose the ban, and nearly lost his Senate seat.

[snip]

And he's worked hard over the years to become the only Senate Democrat with an A-plus rating from the National Rifle Association.

If anybody has any doubts about the NRA, this should cement them permanently.

3 posted on 03/09/2013 9:45:34 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to be "protected" by government.)
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To: neverdem

I’m no fan of Mark Begich of Alaska (seems a nice guy but a Dem), but to be fair, I googled his record and he seems to stand pretty firm on gun rights. An article in the National Journal covering his gun contol record in depth confirmed the same. I doubt that any anti-gun candidate would have a chance in Alaska.


4 posted on 03/09/2013 9:47:13 PM PST by ArmyTeach ( Videteco eos prius (See 'em first) Sculpin 191)
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To: george76; BipolarBob; mosaicwolf; DCBryan1; DeaconBenjamin; RobertClark; Ruy Dias de Bivar; ...
Gun-Shy

How do you outgun the NRA? Very, very carefully.

Mark Pryor knows all about that. The Democratic senator from pro-gun Arkansas was nowhere to be seen on the Senate floor during Wednesday's showdown over a proposal, championed by the National Rifle Association, that would have gutted state gun-control laws across the nation.

Toward the end of the vote, Pryor entered the chamber through the back door, took a few steps inside, flashed a thumbs-down to the clerk, and retreated as fast and furtively as somebody dodging gunfire.

Several minutes later, the Democrats had racked up more than enough votes to block the proposal. "Are there any senators in the chamber wishing to vote or wishing to change their vote?" the presiding officer inquired.

Pryor burst back in, this time through a side door. "Mr. President!" he called out. "Mr. President!" He stopped in the well to consult with Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.), a gun-control advocate who was keeping the whip sheet. Schumer gave Pryor a nod, and the Arkansan -- reassured that his vote was not needed to defeat the proposal -- changed his vote to an "aye."

If Pryor wasn't exactly a profile in courage...

Other Democrats, such as Pennsylvania's Bob Casey and Colorado's Mark Udall and Michael Bennet, were said to have been willing to vote "no" if necessary.

Twenty minutes after the voting began, Bennet and Udall left the cloakroom together and walked into the chamber. Bennet went to the well to consult with Schumer, who indicated that it was safe for Bennet -- a product of D.C.'s St. Albans School -- to vote with the NRA. Bennet looked to Udall, who gave an approving nod, and cast his "aye" vote.

Hat tip to george76!
5 posted on 03/09/2013 9:51:03 PM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: Carry_Okie
If anybody has any doubts about the NRA

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2013/01/17/1463981/meet-the-nra-backed-senate-democrats-who-oppose-obamas-gun-violence-prevention-plan/?mobile=nc

1. Max Baucus, Montana (NRA Rating: A+). Baucus appeared to oppose any federal action on gun law reform, saying in a statement that “Before passing new laws, we need a thoughtful debate that respects responsible, law-abiding gun owners in Montana instead of a one-size-fits all directives from Washington.”

Does that piss you off?

6 posted on 03/09/2013 9:53:46 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (I)
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To: neverdem

Baucus has been one lucky closet red for years. Only the grim reaper can save us from his duplicity and leftist ideology. He’s like a deer tick, embedded so deeply that you couldn’t blast him out with dynamite.


7 posted on 03/09/2013 9:54:51 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: Carry_Okie
If anybody has any doubts about the NRA, this should cement them permanently.

That probably was the last rating Baucus had in 2008. He has since voted to confirm Kagan and Sotomayor, IIRC, and I don't remember any rat defectors. Should I retrieve the roll call votes? That's why Harry Reid was not endorsed by the NRA in 2010 even though Reid helped the NRA get a brand new range in Nevada.

8 posted on 03/09/2013 10:02:30 PM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: ArmyTeach

Addendum re Begich. He has an A rating with NRA, but has made a waffly statement concerning gun control that is cause for concern.


9 posted on 03/09/2013 10:06:50 PM PST by ArmyTeach ( Videteco eos prius (See 'em first) Sculpin 191)
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To: neverdem

Most of these guys will vote for it.

And most of them will get re-elected.

Have a nice day.


10 posted on 03/09/2013 10:12:01 PM PST by Tzimisce (The American Revolution began when the British attempted to disarm the Colonists.)
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To: ArmyTeach
Addendum re Begich. He has an A rating with NRA, but has made a waffly statement concerning gun control that is cause for concern

Bagitch is a liberal, but he isn't stupid.

http://hotair.com/archives/2013/01/11/dem-senator-mark-begich-im-not-interested-in-a-new-assault-weapons-ban/

11 posted on 03/09/2013 10:20:37 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (I)
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To: neverdem
In New London Saturday afternoon, Connecticut 2nd Amemdment defenders stood face to face against Senator Chris Murphy.

The Eagle Carries More Than 10 Rounds

12 posted on 03/09/2013 10:53:11 PM PST by PALIN SMITH (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.)
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To: Jet Jaguar; SENTINEL; redpoll; ArmyTeach; Eska; hattend; hosepipe; vpintheak; GATOR NAVY; ...
Bump & a BANG!

FReepmail me if you want to be on or off my X list where X equals my separate state lists for Alaska, Arkansas, Louisiana, Montana, North Carolina and South Dakota. I have the other states too, but I'm just pinging those 6 states now.

I'm trying to start a list for each state that includes a FReeper with a state ping list for that state if that state doesn't have one already.

According to this link I have two FReepers with state's ping lists.

That link is almost 6 years old, and things change.

If I see a story about your state, I want to let you know. This is not expected to be a high volume ping list.

Do any of you have a state ping list for your state? Do any of you want to volunteer and take my list for your state with the intent to grow it? Let me know via FReepmail. Then I can work on other states.

13 posted on 03/09/2013 11:05:11 PM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem

I don’t know if there is an Alaska ping list.

If not, i would be willing to put one together.


14 posted on 03/09/2013 11:11:26 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
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To: Tzimisce

Wait and see what Reid permits a vote on. He wants to keep a majority. All of them voted for Obamacare.

Have a nice day.


15 posted on 03/09/2013 11:12:42 PM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: Alaska Wolf
You and I know that Begich will be the quickest Senator voted out if he votes for any gun control. Actually, it will be hard for him to win even if he doesn't. Now what he should do is get up on the band wagon against Obama, that would get him re-elected. I keep calling his office reminding them about photo radar.

What we need and what I believe will occur is just like in 94, the Dems will be booted over gun control in 2014. People are upset over gun related shortages; imagine if there's a ban on anything.

16 posted on 03/09/2013 11:16:36 PM PST by Eska
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To: Jet Jaguar

Thanks for the initiative! FReepmail coming. It’s not big, but that’s what I got looking over 2 months.


17 posted on 03/09/2013 11:17:51 PM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: Alaska Wolf
Does that piss you off?

No, the NRA giving him an A+ rating after voting for the AWB does.

Got a problem with that?

18 posted on 03/09/2013 11:28:32 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to be "protected" by government.)
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To: Carry_Okie
>Got a problem with that?

Baucus and 5 other Democrats voted no on the continuation of the 1994 AWB.

8 so-called GOP conservatives voted yes. I had a problem with them.

19 posted on 03/10/2013 4:50:05 AM PDT by Alaska Wolf (I)
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To: neverdem

I said it from Day 1 and I’ll say it again. The LAST THING the Dems and even the president wanted was the shooting, because it puts in them in a really tight spot where they could lose everything. It’s fun to watch them squirm now.


20 posted on 03/10/2013 5:55:25 AM PDT by BobL (Look up "CSCOPE" if you want to see something really scary)
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To: neverdem
He chose the ban, and nearly lost his Senate seat.

Well there's your problem!

21 posted on 03/10/2013 6:07:44 AM PDT by grobdriver (Vivere liberi aut mori)
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To: Alaska Wolf
Baucus and 5 other Democrats voted no on the continuation of the 1994 AWB.

Good, that gets him a B-, not an A+. The point stands; he had no Constitutional authority to vote for the AWB in the first place.

22 posted on 03/10/2013 7:30:17 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to be "protected" by government.)
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To: BobL

***The LAST THING the Dems and even the president wanted was the shooting,***

It has also smoked the antis out of their holes and revealed to the public their REAL AGENDA, every wish list from the last fifty years has been put on the block.

In 1968, Americans, who were mostly hunters, were blindsided by the 1968 Gun Control Act.

Today’s shooters are mostly recreational shooters, wised up, and will not go softly into that anti-gun night.


23 posted on 03/10/2013 8:23:18 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (CLICK my name. See the murals before they are painted over! POTEET THEATER in OKC!)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

“In 1968, Americans, who were mostly hunters, were blindsided by the 1968 Gun Control Act. Today’s shooters are mostly recreational shooters, wised up, and will not go softly into that anti-gun night.”

Excellent point - people now are much more fired up and understand what happens when gun rights go away (our understanding of Stalin was almost non-existent, for example). Back in 1968, we drove without seat belts on, we paid tolls using cash, there was no practical way to track people’s movements, so they weren’t tracked (yet we still got inside terrorist organizations and destroyed them...by the way), there were no drones, the only enemy the United States had was the Soviet Union - the hippies were still high on dope and decades from taking political power.

The list goes on and on...


24 posted on 03/10/2013 8:46:05 AM PDT by BobL (Look up "CSCOPE" if you want to see something really scary)
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To: Carry_Okie
he had no Constitutional authority to vote for the AWB in the first place.

Have you and the ACLU filed a lawsuit against Baucus in federal court?

25 posted on 03/10/2013 12:57:56 PM PDT by Alaska Wolf (I)
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To: Alaska Wolf
Have you and the ACLU filed a lawsuit against Baucus in federal court?

Please explain how the NRA could give Baucus an A+ rating when he voted to confirm Sotomayor and Kagen.

I'll stick with GOA.

26 posted on 03/10/2013 1:59:46 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to be "protected" by government.)
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To: Carry_Okie
Where is your answer?

Have you and the ACLU filed a lawsuit against Baucus in federal court?

The NRA rates on gun issues only. Why don't you know that?

27 posted on 03/10/2013 2:05:10 PM PDT by Alaska Wolf (I)
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To: ArmyTeach
I’m no fan of Mark Begich of Alaska (seems a nice guy but a Dem), but to be fair, I googled his record and he seems to stand pretty firm on gun rights. An article in the National Journal covering his gun contol record in depth confirmed the same. I doubt that any anti-gun candidate would have a chance in Alaska.

Once they get elected, it becomes Senator So-and-So, Washington, DC.

With very few exceptions, most Senators are there until they die or get appointed to a better scam office.

And the NRA, and its "ratings" are scams of the lowest order.

28 posted on 03/10/2013 2:08:43 PM PDT by meadsjn
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To: Alaska Wolf
Where is your answer?

I thought so. You have none.

Have you and the ACLU filed a lawsuit against Baucus in federal court?

  1. I don't have standing.
  2. I don't have ten million dollars to fund a lawsuit.
  3. I don't affiliate with the ACLU.
  4. I do support GOA because they're much more effective in court than the NRA.
The NRA rates on gun issues only. Why don't you know that?

The record of a nominee for the Supreme Court is a "gun issue," in case you hadn't noticed... oh, that's right, it was GOA that brought Heller and hired Gura and not the NRA. No wonder you don't get it.

29 posted on 03/10/2013 2:32:59 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to be "protected" by government.)
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To: Carry_Okie
Where is your answer? Did GOA file suit against Baucus?

The record of a nominee for the Supreme Court is a "gun issue,"

Does the NRA rate USSC nominees?

it was GOA that brought Heller

It wasn't the Second Amendment Foundation?

Because court cases can set long-lasting legal precedent, advocacy organizations are often careful about which cases they pursue, lest they risk unfavorable rulings that harm their cause. "The typical strategy for any savvy advocacy group would be to say, 'What are the most appealing cases that we have the best chance of winning, and where do we have the best chances of winning them?'" said Carl Bogus, a constitutional law expert and professor of law at Roger Williams University.

In the wake of the Heller decision, the NRA pursued a strategy of expanding gun rights gradually. "This makes sense, because many courts are reluctant to offer broad constitutional rulings with regard to individual rights," said Richard Broughton, a professor of law at the University of Detroit and a former Justice Department prosecutor. "The NRA takes on specific issues, and they're not going for broad Second Amendment rulings. Instead, they're asking the courts to narrowly interpret gun regulations and working to win smaller victories they can build on."

Ken Klukowski, a constitutional law professor at Liberty University and former NRA staffer, agrees. "The NRA takes the long view. They are extraordinary minds for the long ball and the big picture," he said.

The NRA offered a textbook display of its methods last week, when it announced it was considering a lawsuit against the Illinois State Police over a backlog in the processing of gun permit applications.

Litigation was never the NRA's top priority, however, and it still isn't. Every year, the NRA pours tens of millions of dollars more into elections and influencing legislation at state and federal levels than it does into fighting court cases. Whereas the SAF has made a name for itself since Heller by proactively attacking gun regulations in court, the NRA has focused on preventing the passage of gun control laws in the first place.

United we stand, divided we FAIL!

30 posted on 03/10/2013 3:46:40 PM PDT by Alaska Wolf (I)
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To: neverdem

So the NRA provides political cover for Democrats who then get reelected as “pro-2nd”? Disgusting.


31 posted on 03/14/2013 2:28:04 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD
So the NRA provides political cover for Democrats who then get reelected as “pro-2nd”? Disgusting.

That story was from July 2009. Votes for Sotomayor and Kagan were scored by the NRA. They did not endorse Harry Reid in 2010.

32 posted on 03/14/2013 11:05:58 AM PDT by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem

How are votes handled when the NRA scores a politician? Are the subtle nuances of a “would have voted gun control, but switched at the last minute” politician accounted for or just the final vote given?

If it is the latter, then the NRA report card is a sham and misleads.


33 posted on 03/15/2013 1:51:15 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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