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Holder: Obama could order lethal force in U.S.
Politico44 A Living Diary of the Obama Presidenc ^ | 3/5/13 | JOSH GERSTEIN

Posted on 03/05/2013 2:35:12 PM PST by ColdOne

However, Holder says that in situations akin to the 1941 assault on Pearl Harbor or the September 11, 2001 attacks, the president might have to order the use of deadly force in the U.S.

"The question you have posed is entirely hypothetical, unlikely to occur, and one we hope no President will ever have to confront," Holder wrote. "It is possible, I supposed, to imagine an extraordinary circumstance in which it would be necessary and appropriate under the Constitution and applicable laws of the United States for the President to authorize the military to use lethal force within the territory of the United States. For example, the President could concievably have no choice but to authorize the military to use such force if necessary to protect the homeland in the circumstances of a catastrophic attack like the ones suffered on December 7, 1941, and September 11, 2001."

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1 posted on 03/05/2013 2:35:14 PM PST by ColdOne
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To: ColdOne

why is Holder still there?

He should have been removed right after him lying about guns going to Mexican drug lords


2 posted on 03/05/2013 2:37:02 PM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: ColdOne

he already authorized Mexicans to use lethal force on our BP agents.


3 posted on 03/05/2013 2:39:31 PM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: ColdOne

WTF kind of thinking is this! Who would even contemplate such a scenario?? MADNESS !!


4 posted on 03/05/2013 2:40:06 PM PST by MtnMan101
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To: MtnMan101

Obama thinking...


5 posted on 03/05/2013 2:45:49 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: ColdOne

I’m thinking that the next horrific terrorist attack on the US the DOJ will grab all guns, you know, to protect the citizens and all.


6 posted on 03/05/2013 2:46:09 PM PST by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: ColdOne
....."Holder said: "The U.S. government has not carried out drone strikes in the United States and has no intention of doing so."".......

That's not too comforting.
7 posted on 03/05/2013 2:46:49 PM PST by Girlene
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To: ColdOne

Instead of cowering in fear, the right needs to dare Holder in the strongest possible words to prove it. Enough saber rattling already. Show us that you are willing to murder US citizens you worthless affirmative action gestapo wannabe.


8 posted on 03/05/2013 2:48:53 PM PST by SpaceBar
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To: ColdOne

Any crisis will do.


9 posted on 03/05/2013 2:49:21 PM PST by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: MtnMan101

There might be another Ruby Ridge or Branch Davidian home-grown militia type organization that even now is under scrutiny, and sending in the drones is SOO much neater and cleaner than having sharpshooters and eventually firing in tear gas canisters.

One launch and POOFT! Problem solved. (Cuss it all, do I HAVE to put in the /sarc tag?)


10 posted on 03/05/2013 2:49:59 PM PST by alloysteel (What is all too obvious, is not obvious to all. Until it is too late to reverse course.)
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To: alloysteel

...and make it look like a mass suicide by home made IED.


11 posted on 03/05/2013 2:53:09 PM PST by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: ColdOne

Wasn’t (the threat of) deadly force already used by the military after Katrina?


12 posted on 03/05/2013 2:55:12 PM PST by 1_Of_We
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To: ColdOne

Obummer’s THE most divisive President in U.S. history. Black vs. White. Rich vs. Poor. Citizen vs. Illegal alien. Muslim vs. Christian vs. Jew. America vs. Israel. Red vs. blue. Dog vs. cat. Well, OK, maybe not that one, but you get the drift.


13 posted on 03/05/2013 2:55:53 PM PST by wolfman
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To: ColdOne
For example, the President could concievably have no choice but to authorize the military to use such force if necessary to protect the homeland in the circumstances of a catastrophic attack like the ones suffered on December 7, 1941, and September 11, 2001."

Uh...last I heard those two incidents were cases of U.S. citizens being attacked by an enemy. Exactly which Americans would 0bama order the military to shoot in these circumstances?

Drones, armored vehicles, ammunition, tortured legalistics justifying violence, and no cogent explanation. These are the classic activities of a government that is about to launch a war.

14 posted on 03/05/2013 2:56:48 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: ColdOne

I see this kind of public conversation by government officials, during these dark and troubled times, to be a clear threat. It’s as if the ba$tard is trying to find a cute way to warn and intimidate us. It also suggests that they very much intend to do sufficient damage to our country in the coming months that might very well lead to a violent reaction.


15 posted on 03/05/2013 2:58:12 PM PST by Gator113 ( ~just keep livin~)
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To: ColdOne

so much for due process and all that


16 posted on 03/05/2013 2:59:47 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: ColdOne
Holder has practice at murdering Americans!


17 posted on 03/05/2013 2:59:52 PM PST by TexasCajun
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To: manc
why is Holder still there?

All good Americans are asking the same question but to your question, first, because the rule of law no longer applies to those in DC and secondly, because Holder and the obozo have more destruction to administer to the American people. The American people are resilient and this administration wants that dead and buried.

18 posted on 03/05/2013 2:59:58 PM PST by drypowder
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To: ColdOne
Just like his mentors Janet Reno and Jamie Gorelick did against the children of Mt Carmel, Texas when David Koresh could have been arrested while jogging.
19 posted on 03/05/2013 3:00:59 PM PST by Darren McCarty (If most people were more than keyboard warriors, we might have won the election)
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To: SpaceBar

I could not agree with you more.

Enough is enough of these ba$tards. I am sick of the threats.


20 posted on 03/05/2013 3:02:58 PM PST by Gator113 ( ~just keep livin~)
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To: alloysteel

(Cuss it all, do I HAVE to put in the /sarc tag?)

You do if you don’t want to be on “the list” as well.


21 posted on 03/05/2013 3:05:56 PM PST by MtnMan101
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To: Billthedrill

“Uh...last I heard those two incidents were cases of U.S. citizens being attacked by an enemy. Exactly which Americans would 0bama order the military to shoot in these circumstances?”

Hypothetical question. Suppose an American Citizen had been one of the 911 terrorists and suppose that citizen was flying one of those airliners towards the World Trade Center. Exactly how would you propose stopping that aircraft without using lethal force against the American Citizen flying the aircraft (let alone all the American Citizen passengers)?


22 posted on 03/05/2013 3:08:52 PM PST by DugwayDuke
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To: TexasCajun

That was Jamie Gorelick. Holder came on board afterward. Same group of people though. Same type.


23 posted on 03/05/2013 3:09:16 PM PST by Darren McCarty (If most people were more than keyboard warriors, we might have won the election)
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To: ColdOne

Yup! And it’s funny how them ricochets happen.


24 posted on 03/05/2013 3:13:31 PM PST by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: Girlene

No immediate intent, but future intent, for sure.


25 posted on 03/05/2013 3:14:56 PM PST by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: ColdOne

This is impeachable. This is a crime against the Constitution and the Republic. The appropriate response to this statement is one for which I could get arrested or become the target of a drone strike.


26 posted on 03/05/2013 3:16:56 PM PST by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: 1_Of_We

It was also used during the anti-war and race riots of around 40 years ago. Every company called to clear a riot had a designated marksman.


27 posted on 03/05/2013 3:19:24 PM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: MtnMan101
WTF kind of thinking is this! Who would even contemplate such a scenario?? MADNESS !!

You're against using troops to defend an attack on american soil? BTW, this has already been done, i.e. the Civil War.

28 posted on 03/05/2013 3:26:07 PM PST by ksen (". . . organized greed always defeats disorganized democracy" - Matt Taibbi)
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To: DugwayDuke
Exactly how would you propose stopping that aircraft without using lethal force against the American Citizen flying the aircraft (let alone all the American Citizen passengers)?

Your question is sound - one couldn't. Mind you, blowing away an airliner full of hostages in order to prevent potential damage at the other end would not be a choice I'd care to make.

I think, though, that Holder was being highly disingenuous by referring to those incidents. The question was clearly focusing on the sort of drone attack used so often in Afghanistan and elsewhere. I hope I'm not being entirely paranoid by reading Holder's answer as "In an emergency the President can blow away anyone he likes."

29 posted on 03/05/2013 3:26:24 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: ColdOne
These guys keep making veiled threats--except they're not so veiled.

Now I hope that the American people don't really have to exercise our rights under the Declaration of Independence, rights given us by our Creator, hope we don't have to, in the course of human events, abolish or alter a form of government that has become destructive to us, the people, hope there is never an interim court that holds corrupt government executives guilty of refusing assent to law, who have erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance, who have affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil power,who have combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws, or imposed Taxes on us without our Consent, who have deprived us in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury, who have abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us, and who have excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and have endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages and other ethnic minorities, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.

I really hope we don't have to have citizen-appointed courts to try these corrupt, godless officials. I really, really hope we don't.
30 posted on 03/05/2013 3:27:01 PM PST by righttackle44 (Take scalps. Leave the bodies as a warning.)
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To: ksen

Yes, and you conveniently left out Waco and Ruby Ridge, Conrade. (TROLL)


31 posted on 03/05/2013 3:29:39 PM PST by MtnMan101
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To: Billthedrill

“Uh...last I heard those two incidents were cases of U.S. citizens being attacked by an enemy. Exactly which Americans would 0bama order the military to shoot in these circumstances?”

FDR incarcerated Americans of Japanese descent after Pearl Harbor. After Iran strikes, the Bummer could authorize a drone strike on Dearborn...Oh, wait, the Muzzies there are his own people...


32 posted on 03/05/2013 3:30:15 PM PST by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders.)
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To: SgtHooper

He’s definitely keeping his options open.


33 posted on 03/05/2013 3:33:13 PM PST by Girlene
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To: MtnMan101
"WTF kind of thinking is this! Who would even contemplate such a scenario?? MADNESS !!"

Been there, done that...

There are many instances where the Feds/States have used Military forces to"quell" "insurrection"...

Most of them are in the early years of the Republic but it happens and its totally against the Constitution but hey When you are the guys in charge you tend to do what you damn well please if you think you can get away with it. And when the Media is running interference for the guys in charge there is little hope of stopping them.

34 posted on 03/05/2013 3:34:46 PM PST by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: ColdOne

If an airliner is taken over again and headed for a skyscraper, I certainly hope the President will authorize military force to protect American citizens on the ground.

And I don’t really care whether those who took over the airliner are American citizens or not.


35 posted on 03/05/2013 3:34:58 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: ColdOne

bkmk


36 posted on 03/05/2013 3:36:52 PM PST by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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To: ColdOne
CALL YOUR CONGRESSMAN!!! (202) 224-3121
IMPEACH, IMPEACH , IMPEACH!!!

37 posted on 03/05/2013 3:37:52 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (PRISON AT BENGHAZI?????)
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To: ColdOne

An aspect of the 2A that is often overlooked is how formidable a force an armed citizenry is. We’re all guessing, but let’s say 300M guns and 10’s of billions of rounds of ammunition all hiding behind any door. An invading (or DHS) force would find it impossible to even get a line formed and supplies flowing.

That alone should prevent the scenario described here, provided they leave us be.


38 posted on 03/05/2013 3:39:39 PM PST by IamConservative (The soul of my lifes journey is Liberty!)
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To: MtnMan101
Yes, and you conveniently left out Waco and Ruby Ridge, Conrade. (TROLL)


39 posted on 03/05/2013 3:40:30 PM PST by ksen (". . . organized greed always defeats disorganized democracy" - Matt Taibbi)
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To: Darren McCarty
"Just like his mentors Janet Reno and Jamie Gorelick did against the children of Mt Carmel, Texas when David Koresh could have been arrested while jogging."

Yup Ruby Ridge was the same deal. They tried to railroad the guy over a shotgun which they claimed was 3/4 of inch too short (not the barrel but the overall length of the weapon) which meant he owed a 200 dollar tax on it (the gun was valued under 100 dollars) they tried to use this as leverage to make him spy on a group of skinheads. He refused and things escalated to the point his 14 year old son and the Boy's Mother were shot to death by Federal Goons running around in secret on his property in clear violation of his Constitutional Rights. No one in government responsible for that decision chain was every prosecuted.

40 posted on 03/05/2013 3:44:20 PM PST by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: manc

Ruby Ridge, Waco — The precedent has been set already.


41 posted on 03/05/2013 3:44:53 PM PST by Joe Bfstplk
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To: Mad Dawgg

Ruby Ridge was on HW’s watch.


42 posted on 03/05/2013 3:46:57 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: Darren McCarty

As I said on another thread, most conservatives said “Koresh had it coming”. Apparently without a trial. And they blamed him for the childrens’ deaths. As for those recordings saying “Set the fire here”, I wonder why those weren’t released until AFTER the fire instead of while it was burning. I don’t believe one damn word a federal agent says.

The fed agents were trained on tanks at Ft. Hood. As far as I’m concerned, the army was used against them at Mt. Carmel. Now lots more feds are trained with tanks and are coming after us all.


43 posted on 03/05/2013 3:49:10 PM PST by Terry Mross (How long before America is gone?)
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To: ksen
BTW, this has already been done, i.e. the Civil War.

The next Civil War won't be North against South, it will be Makers against Takers.

And it won't be civil.

44 posted on 03/05/2013 3:49:36 PM PST by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: ksen
"Obama Administration Says President Can Use Lethal Force Against Americans on US Soil"

Americans? What Americans?

45 posted on 03/05/2013 3:49:45 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (PRISON AT BENGHAZI?????)
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To: TADSLOS
...and make it look like a mass suicide


46 posted on 03/05/2013 3:50:00 PM PST by Slyfox (Arbitrary power is most easily established on the ruins of liberty abused to licentiousness -G Wash.)
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To: ColdOne

Obama and his socialits/totalitarian cohorts aren’t stockpiling 2 billion rounds of ammo and spending billions of dollars on military weapons and equipment so they can go hunting the elusive skeet.

They do not intend on letting the left lose their grip on power.
If they cannot continue to steal it at the ballot box they will do whatever else is necessary.


47 posted on 03/05/2013 3:53:53 PM PST by Iron Munro (I miss America, don't you?)
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To: ColdOne

Trial balloon. Testing the waters. Watching the responses.


48 posted on 03/05/2013 3:54:11 PM PST by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: ColdOne

He already has.


49 posted on 03/05/2013 3:54:43 PM PST by deadrock
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To: dfwgator
"Ruby Ridge was on HW’s watch."

Doesn't matter it was still the Government over stepping its authority. I'm not one of those people that is OK with whatever those in charge do as long as I voted for them. I think every government clown involved in the Ruby Ridge incident should be given a fair trail then lined up and shot.

The violation was over a 200 dollar tax. These government clowns went so far as to build a special bridge so they could get tanks onto Randy Weaver's Property. Think on that for a bit. Does the word "overkill" come to mind?

50 posted on 03/05/2013 3:55:19 PM PST by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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