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Holder: Obama could order lethal force in U.S.
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| 3/5/13
| JOSH GERSTEIN
Posted on 03/05/2013 2:35:12 PM PST by ColdOne
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To: alloysteel
(Cuss it all, do I HAVE to put in the /sarc tag?)
You do if you don’t want to be on “the list” as well.
To: Billthedrill
“Uh...last I heard those two incidents were cases of U.S. citizens being attacked by an enemy. Exactly which Americans would 0bama order the military to shoot in these circumstances?”
Hypothetical question. Suppose an American Citizen had been one of the 911 terrorists and suppose that citizen was flying one of those airliners towards the World Trade Center. Exactly how would you propose stopping that aircraft without using lethal force against the American Citizen flying the aircraft (let alone all the American Citizen passengers)?
To: TexasCajun
That was Jamie Gorelick. Holder came on board afterward. Same group of people though. Same type.
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posted on
03/05/2013 3:09:16 PM PST
by
Darren McCarty
(If most people were more than keyboard warriors, we might have won the election)
To: ColdOne
Yup! And it’s funny how them ricochets happen.
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posted on
03/05/2013 3:13:31 PM PST
by
SgtHooper
(The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
To: Girlene
No immediate intent, but future intent, for sure.
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posted on
03/05/2013 3:14:56 PM PST
by
SgtHooper
(The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
To: ColdOne
This is impeachable. This is a crime against the Constitution and the Republic. The appropriate response to this statement is one for which I could get arrested or become the target of a drone strike.
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posted on
03/05/2013 3:16:56 PM PST
by
rmlew
("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
To: 1_Of_We
It was also used during the anti-war and race riots of around 40 years ago. Every company called to clear a riot had a designated marksman.
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posted on
03/05/2013 3:19:24 PM PST
by
R. Scott
(Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
To: MtnMan101
WTF kind of thinking is this! Who would even contemplate such a scenario?? MADNESS !!You're against using troops to defend an attack on american soil? BTW, this has already been done, i.e. the Civil War.
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posted on
03/05/2013 3:26:07 PM PST
by
ksen
(". . . organized greed always defeats disorganized democracy" - Matt Taibbi)
To: DugwayDuke
Exactly how would you propose stopping that aircraft without using lethal force against the American Citizen flying the aircraft (let alone all the American Citizen passengers)? Your question is sound - one couldn't. Mind you, blowing away an airliner full of hostages in order to prevent potential damage at the other end would not be a choice I'd care to make.
I think, though, that Holder was being highly disingenuous by referring to those incidents. The question was clearly focusing on the sort of drone attack used so often in Afghanistan and elsewhere. I hope I'm not being entirely paranoid by reading Holder's answer as "In an emergency the President can blow away anyone he likes."
To: ColdOne
These guys keep making veiled threats--except they're not so veiled.
Now I hope that the American people don't really have to exercise our rights under the Declaration of Independence, rights given us by our Creator, hope we don't have to, in the course of human events, abolish or alter a form of government that has become destructive to us, the people, hope there is never an interim court that holds corrupt government executives guilty of refusing assent to law, who have erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance, who have affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil power,who have combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws, or imposed Taxes on us without our Consent, who have deprived us in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury, who have abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us, and who have excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and have endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages and other ethnic minorities, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.
I really hope we don't have to have citizen-appointed courts to try these corrupt, godless officials. I really, really hope we don't.
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posted on
03/05/2013 3:27:01 PM PST
by
righttackle44
(Take scalps. Leave the bodies as a warning.)
To: ksen
Yes, and you conveniently left out Waco and Ruby Ridge, Conrade. (TROLL)
To: Billthedrill
“Uh...last I heard those two incidents were cases of U.S. citizens being attacked by an enemy. Exactly which Americans would 0bama order the military to shoot in these circumstances?”
FDR incarcerated Americans of Japanese descent after Pearl Harbor. After Iran strikes, the Bummer could authorize a drone strike on Dearborn...Oh, wait, the Muzzies there are his own people...
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posted on
03/05/2013 3:30:15 PM PST
by
GGpaX4DumpedTea
(I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders.)
To: SgtHooper
He’s definitely keeping his options open.
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posted on
03/05/2013 3:33:13 PM PST
by
Girlene
To: MtnMan101
"WTF kind of thinking is this! Who would even contemplate such a scenario?? MADNESS !!" Been there, done that...
There are many instances where the Feds/States have used Military forces to"quell" "insurrection"...
Most of them are in the early years of the Republic but it happens and its totally against the Constitution but hey When you are the guys in charge you tend to do what you damn well please if you think you can get away with it. And when the Media is running interference for the guys in charge there is little hope of stopping them.
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posted on
03/05/2013 3:34:46 PM PST
by
Mad Dawgg
(If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
To: ColdOne
If an airliner is taken over again and headed for a skyscraper, I certainly hope the President will authorize military force to protect American citizens on the ground.
And I don’t really care whether those who took over the airliner are American citizens or not.
To: ColdOne
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posted on
03/05/2013 3:36:52 PM PST
by
Sergio
(An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
To: ColdOne
CALL YOUR CONGRESSMAN!!! (202) 224-3121
IMPEACH, IMPEACH , IMPEACH!!!
To: ColdOne
An aspect of the 2A that is often overlooked is how formidable a force an armed citizenry is. We’re all guessing, but let’s say 300M guns and 10’s of billions of rounds of ammunition all hiding behind any door. An invading (or DHS) force would find it impossible to even get a line formed and supplies flowing.
That alone should prevent the scenario described here, provided they leave us be.
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posted on
03/05/2013 3:39:39 PM PST
by
IamConservative
(The soul of my lifes journey is Liberty!)
To: MtnMan101
Yes, and you conveniently left out Waco and Ruby Ridge, Conrade. (TROLL)
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posted on
03/05/2013 3:40:30 PM PST
by
ksen
(". . . organized greed always defeats disorganized democracy" - Matt Taibbi)
To: Darren McCarty
"Just like his mentors Janet Reno and Jamie Gorelick did against the children of Mt Carmel, Texas when David Koresh could have been arrested while jogging." Yup Ruby Ridge was the same deal. They tried to railroad the guy over a shotgun which they claimed was 3/4 of inch too short (not the barrel but the overall length of the weapon) which meant he owed a 200 dollar tax on it (the gun was valued under 100 dollars) they tried to use this as leverage to make him spy on a group of skinheads. He refused and things escalated to the point his 14 year old son and the Boy's Mother were shot to death by Federal Goons running around in secret on his property in clear violation of his Constitutional Rights. No one in government responsible for that decision chain was every prosecuted.
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posted on
03/05/2013 3:44:20 PM PST
by
Mad Dawgg
(If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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