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Blistering Comments about Rove, Establishment
Vanity | 2-11-2013 | C. Edmund Wright

Posted on 02/11/2013 6:11:23 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright

Blistering new book coming out about Rove and the establishment - been in teh works since day after election. Some pull quotes about Rove, Romney, the establishment, how liberals are undermining entrepreneures on purpose, etc.

The image of a typical OWS encampment allows us a peak at the future, which is a powerful object lesson by itself. The fear of even having this discussion with the voters is why we are not happy with the establishment. They would rather change the subject to something trite like “jobs and Ohio” without realizing that a communist movement central to the Democrat universe is about “jobs and Ohio.”

One thing the GOP must do is clean house of all the little naive “Daddy got me a job” consultants, and hire some folks who have actually been in the real world for a while.

Apparently in the mind of Democrat consultants, women should vote the concerns between their legs over the concerns between their ears.

Newt and his official staff, including the consultants inside WOF, were so obsessed with Mitt’s campaign that they forgot about Obama, whoever the hell he is, and refused to acknowledge that Santorum even existed. Those were two awful mistakes.

Pundits may drone on about moderates and independents and low information voters, but nothing turns moderates, independents and low information voters into higher information voters like a campaign that draws sharp and clear distinctions, and one that generates enthusiasm

The subject of Obama’s awfulness was not what the establishment wanted because Mitt’s not very good at that subject. And besides, soccer moms won’t like it either, or so we’re told. The arrogant and controlling establishment was telling us to shut up, sit down, and listen to our bettors – and everything would work out just fine. In this way, the GOP establishment is similar to very thing we fight against in the Federal government, the arrogant controlling assumption that the elites know what we really need. This problem is inherently limiting when your message is ostensibly about decentralizing control, and why Mitt’s message was inherently limited.

Perhaps Newt would have swung and missed, but Mitt was out on called strikes.

Compared to Axelrod’s escapades, the mind numbing use of focus groups and phony polls by James Carville and George Stephanopoulos during the Clinton years is child’s play. Axelrod does not merely use deception. He IS deception.

Obama thought the first thing to do to turn our economy around would be to help trial lawyers destroy present day companies for decisions made many years ago. Do they teach that at Harvard Law, or Harvard Business?

Instead of focusing on this in 2012, the GOPe had all kinds of tortured internal debates about Romney’s tax returns instead. To the establishment, having incompetent felons running government is just not a problem, yet having a rich and generous nominee with competent accountants apparently is.

The man from Texas is indeed profoundly hated by the left. But that is not the point. The man from Texas is not hated alone. The left has projected their hatred of him onto us. His refusal to fight back was not the individual "falling on the sword" he thought it was. When he refused to fight, he let us all down.

McCain was almost irrelevant, which is hysterical considering he has spent every waking moment for forty years desperate to remain relevant

McCain stumbled into the Palin pick out of misconception as he fancied Palin as a young McCain, and not a young Reagan.

The technical term for the extension of a campaign like Huckabee’s is also known as the “Fox News Channel audition period.”

If you really want to get sick, do some research on how the brunt of the crisis might have been avoided simply by suspending the “mark to market” regulation imbedded in the Sarbanes-Oxley bill. This law, a bureaucratic accounting illusion to begin with, turned a future balance sheet challenge for some banks into an immediate cash crisis for the entire world.

It’s the perfect crime and the grandest of all larcenies. America is being stolen in broad daylight.

According to Rove’s professed “acute Understanding,” if a voter thinks Bush is to blame for the economy, we must AGREE with him. If the voter thinks Obama personally took out bin Laden, AGREE with her. If the voter thinks Republicans want to stop all sexual activities, RUN AWAY from the issue. If the voter thinks Palin is a dolt, REINFORCE that idea. Mr. “Acute Understanding” thinks we can actually win this way. Who is the dolt again?

In other words, they should look at a focus group as a starting point the for voter education, instead of an end point of candidate capitulation.

Liberals in power have simply made borrowing too easy and drilling too hard.

As long as we run low information campaigns, we will suffer at the hands of low information voter.

A campaign will never succeed if it’s built on the premise that offending soccer moms in southern Ohio is a fate worse than losing the entire American experiment. Such campaigns are inspired by focus groups, and isolated from reality.

Conservatism takes longer than the confines of a single focus group to understand, and yet, Rove insists that he can gain “an acute understanding” on the basis of focus group data. That’s nutty.

This mindset is foreign to the entrepreneur’s very fiber. This kind of thing is what keeps the movers and shakers from moving and shaking. This is what motivates Atlas to shrug. This is what liberal elites know. This is what they want.

And to folks who believe “you didn’t build that,” this is music to their ears. They either believe it in ignorance or cheer it with their resentment. Or both. And it’s not just Dodd Frank. This is what will make everything about Obama Care like pulling teeth, including pulling teeth. This is the EPA and the INS and the IRS and the TSA and all the other alphabet agencies becoming the focus of our lives.

There is nothing in this great game that will ultimately defeat the entrepreneur. It is simple human nature. There is, however, one way to defeat the entrepreneur and thereby ruin an entrepreneurial economy. Change the very nature of the game. Yes, rig the game so that honesty and hard work and innovation are merely coins of a foolish realm. Rig the game so that the little microbial rules become more important than the game itself - thereby elevating the little human microbes who sit in government cubicles 40 hours a week with no risk above the dreamers who work 100 hour weeks and who are willing to risk everything.

But the ominous impact is that below the surface, this dynamic depresses and numbs the human spirit of the would-be self-starting entrepreneur. And do not think for a minute that this is by accident.

Mistakes like this one are fear based and symptomatic of the Republican consultant, who lives in a vacuum of venial and un-related single issues, and assumes voters live there too. The idea of melding a socially conservative principal with libertarian disdain of unlimited government power is just a bridge too far for the Lilliputian consultant mind, especially one frozen by the irrational fear of being called homophobic.


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1 posted on 02/11/2013 6:11:29 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Name of the book?


2 posted on 02/11/2013 6:52:56 AM PST by WSGilcrest (/s)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
Every comment you have made is irrefutable. We have allowed a shiftless and self indulgent advisory class to become rich and powerful at our expense and that only way to change it is to energize the tea party ten times over.

In too many cases conservatives are content with griping about the status quo and sending email rants and jokes back and forth thinking that showing up to vote is all we need.

We have handed our future to Democrats who have no idea how to follow through on the promises they make when they campaign. Maybe they don't care to either.

Their supporters don’t know any better nor do they care because they think the liberal candidates only lie to the rest of us. So we try [meekly] to educate them and they call us liars and haters because we won’t believe the guys who are lying to On the right, there are very few who are willing to stand and fight and they get little support.

3 posted on 02/11/2013 6:55:18 AM PST by Baynative (I'm reading a book about anti-gravity. I can't put it down.)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

OUTSTANDING quote:

“he fancied Palin as a young McCain, and not a young Reagan. “

Sarah please step forward.


4 posted on 02/11/2013 6:58:16 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: WSGilcrest

WTF? How Karl Rove and the Establishment Lost....Again.

Out very soon, and I am THRILLED Rove officially declared war a couple days ago.


5 posted on 02/11/2013 7:03:22 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Will return later.


6 posted on 02/11/2013 7:04:04 AM PST by matthew fuller (Fast and Furious fizzled- Enter Sandy Hook.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

I had no idea when I started that it would end up this way, but there’s a TON about Palin in the book, the general theme being is that when someone like Palin is considered inferior to elites like Obama and Jamie Gorelick and so on, and when our own establishment reinforces that idea, there is NO WAY Republicans can win. If a non Ivy League private sector life outside of the DC to Manhattan corridor is not respected, then we’re doomed.


7 posted on 02/11/2013 7:05:55 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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To: Baynative

Everything you said is 100% correct.

BTW, I think the most profound comment in that list is the little mini lesson on Sarbanes Oxley and mark to market vis a vis the economic crash. It’s only tangentally attached to the main theme, but it is a two sentence definition of the crash.


8 posted on 02/11/2013 7:11:01 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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To: C. Edmund Wright

I think that is precisely what is wrong, wrong wrong right now with the GOP.

The GOP is a bunch of insider weenies.

The millions upon millions out here ready to vote for them are regular folks. Get up every morning to go to work or raise kids. Do their best to contribute. By and large are very positive influences on themselves, and those around them.

It is LOSERS like Rove and all the weenies at the top who send US jobs abroad and do nothing to grow America, which more and more are responsible for the GOP’s absolute failure.

Give us back our party.

Bring back US jobs. Do stuff and make stuff here in the United States, and stop imitating the Democrats for crying out loud!

(rant off)


9 posted on 02/11/2013 7:12:28 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: C. Edmund Wright

The truth will set you free. You’re close, but not quite there.


10 posted on 02/11/2013 7:13:19 AM PST by SatinDoll (NATURAL BORN CITZEN: BORN IN THE USA OF CITIZEN PARENTS.)
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To: SatinDoll

Clarify please.


11 posted on 02/11/2013 7:19:43 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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To: C. Edmund Wright
Here are the Cliff notes of the original post:

Karl Rove was the architect of Bush's policy to NEVER respond, refute, or fight against any Marxist slime attack, no matter how outrageous. Therefore, Bush became the pinata where everything stuck to him and to Republicans. The Republican brand was badly damaged because Rove decided it was better never to attack, fight or set the record straight.

Next up, Palin, Rove hated Palin and left her to twist in the wind. In fact, I submit, Rove actually reinforced the Left’s attack on Palin — and it stuck, and we lost.

Now Rove has basically run Romney's campaign and we see all the hallmarks of Rove’s strategy of crushing Republican primary opponents with brutal attacks, and then meekly going after Obama due to his deathly FEAR of offending a soccer mom or someone along the way.

The result of Romney's campaign is entirely consistent with how Rove views Republicans and how he totally submits to Democrats out of some false fear of a backlash or being labeled extreme. This is classic Rove.

Conservatives have been screaming at Bush to respond! Defend yourself (and us) from all these slanderous attacks, but Rove, I'm quite sure, ruled the roost and counseled against it.

Do we see the Rove pattern here?

Brutally attack other Republicans and then offer a timid, flaccid campaign against a Democrat out of abject fear of offending some mythic soccer mom or some independent somewhere. Guess what? Romney won the independents fairly convincingly... and LOST the election!

Tell me, why is anyone listening to Rove? Why does Rove have a job anywhere??

12 posted on 02/11/2013 7:34:47 AM PST by Obadiah (We must commit to remove every Senate Blue-dog Democrat from office in 2014!)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
One thing the GOP must do is clean house of all the little naive “Daddy got me a job” consultants, and hire some folks who have actually been in the real world for a while.

This is the core of our problems and a metaphor for America.

I've worked for several companies where the father was passing the business on to the sons. In all but one, the sons weren't prepared for it and didn't have what the father had, not the drive, the knowledge or the talent, only the power to make bad decisions and spend the inheritance. The outcomes went as predicted.

Our world, our country at this time, seems to have dropped something when the torch and mantle was passed to our generation by the generations who brought us here. We don't see things clearly. For whatever reasons, we weren't prepared and now we are like white belts pretending to be masters.

We act more like rich kids who just inherited the family fortune and business and are partying hearty, without a clue to the value and responsibility of what we've been given, nor the cost that was paid for it and required to maintain it.

In the businesses I worked where this was true, things went bad fast as value was squandered for fad and foolishness.

Your examples show this is certainly true for the eGOP's stellar management, for the low info voters and for the nation as a whole.

We need to get smart faster and to help with that we are usually given a pair of effective teachers: Professors Pain and Suffering. School of Hard Knocks will soon be in session.

13 posted on 02/11/2013 7:41:44 AM PST by GBA (Here in the Matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

First of all guys like Rove and others ignored the mechanics of basic campaigning. They allowed the M.ainline S.ocialist M.edia drive the issues and are still doing so they learned nothing from their disasters.I find it inexcuseable for Rove to allow his boss GWB get continuosly trashed without responding.

These people I call them GOPES because it rhymes with dopes right now are falling into the same trap. Limbaugh and Levin, God bless them ...realize that what Limbaugh calls the LIV’s (low intelligence voters).LIV’s actually believe that Obama is offering the proverbial “olive branch” to Republicans when actually he is proceeding on his path to complete socialism. AND RINOS CAN’T CALL HIM A LIAR .

This administration came up with a policy on energy which had driven up the cost on everything. It was on the tongue of every black, white. yellow,and brown skined person living in the US....IT WENT UNTOUCHED in the 2012 campaign....WORSE YET IT IS STILL GOING UNCHALLANGED

Now the GOPES are buying into the “demographic” argument offered by the MSM. Here you have an issue staring at them straight in the face affecting every man,woman,and child of every skin color and you can’t bring it up and they talk about “demographics” being pushed by the socialist media .

Does anybody remember what the Democrats did at their convention ??? First they eliminated any mention of the word GOD...and when they thought twice about doing that they reintroduced the resolution what happened ? They booed God....That resolution was rammed through just like the Affordable Health Care Act ...

Was that fact used in any of the material Rove’s RINOS spewed forth during the 2012 Romney or US senate races or by Rove and his group of GOPES (Government Ofthe People Elite Snobs) used on their hit list ? I like using that abbreviation because it rhymes with dopes.

Noooo ! They could have used that episode to point out how far to the left the democrat party has hyphenated into; Demo-Coms ...Instead well we don’t like Aikin.Well at least Aikin believes in something like the ten commandments. Including Thou shalt not steal and doesn’t believe that getting elected office doesn’t give you a license to do that. Which his opponent seems to have done rather well since being in office. The same thing with Mourdock.

Now his bunch seems to be saying if you hold a religious view don’t run for office... We’re gonna save the Republican party ....to be finished off by Obama and the hypenated demo-crats..
Roves RINOS wrong for America and wrong for the Republican party...


14 posted on 02/11/2013 7:45:31 AM PST by mosesdapoet ("It's a sin to tell a lie", in telling others that , got me my nickname .Ex Chi" mechanic"ret)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Gladly.

Romney was politically incompetent. At the convention, when it was obvious he would be the candidate, he should have been politically savvy and called Sarah Palin, even offered her a place in his campaign or at least asked for her support to unseat Obama. Same with the Tea Party folks. But no, Romney did not. Stupid, stupid, stupid!

Conservative Republicans are the foot soldiers of the party. They get the voters out and do the ground work in the precincts. It is up to the candidate to ask for their support and votes. He did not and the conservatives stayed home.

Now why is it that Progressive in our party do not want conservatives getting involved? (Note: I don’t call them establishment for a reason.)


15 posted on 02/11/2013 7:49:43 AM PST by SatinDoll (NATURAL BORN CITZEN: BORN IN THE USA OF CITIZEN PARENTS.)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

karl rove


16 posted on 02/11/2013 7:59:35 AM PST by quintr
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To: C. Edmund Wright
I commend you for keeping your clear focus on Karl Rove, who is the epitome of all that is wrong with the National Republican Party's contemporary approach to campaigning, as well as the "architect" of an abdication of the most basic & important American principles.

We need to bring the spotlight onto Rove's unique combination of incompetence with lack of moral principle, until enough people wake up, to make sure we do not have to continue to suffer from what you describe.

William Flax

17 posted on 02/11/2013 8:00:45 AM PST by Ohioan
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To: C. Edmund Wright

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18 posted on 02/11/2013 8:03:58 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (who'll take tomorrow,spend it all today;who can take your income,tax it all away..0'Blowfly can :-)
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To: SatinDoll

I have no idea why you think I missed that point. I assure you, if you read the book, you will understand that none of those concepts escape me.


19 posted on 02/11/2013 8:07:00 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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To: mosesdapoet

you will not want to read the book - you will want to DEVOUR it.


20 posted on 02/11/2013 8:08:36 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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To: Obadiah

you too will love this book.....as every thing you say is laid out over 20 years with history, irony, humor and a touch of peppery anger and indignation. Oh yes, and ridicule.


21 posted on 02/11/2013 8:10:08 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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To: GBA; C. Edmund Wright; SatinDoll

Looks good, but I tend to agree with SatinDoll. In my mind the GOP is little better than the Rats and by design, not incompetence.


22 posted on 02/11/2013 8:16:57 AM PST by jpsb
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To: Obadiah

It continues today. Over the past four years, the GOP’s sat silently as conservatives have been attacked.

Just off the top of my head.....

They’ve given credence to the left’s meme that right-wing political rhetoric was somehow to blame for Giffords’ shooting by joining in on the bi-partisan seating at the SOTU addresses.

During one round of debt ceiling debates, conservatives were routinely called jihadists and terrorists and there wasn’t a peep out of the GOP over that.

Nobody in the establishment challenged the lies that tea partiers spat on or called black democrats the “n” word.

Nothing but silence over the left-wing violence and intimidation tactics used against conservative reporters, activists, business owners, etc.

It seems that the GOP is glad to let the democrats do their dirty work. Through its silence, the GOP endorses it, because they detest conservatives nearly as much as democrats do.


23 posted on 02/11/2013 8:17:12 AM PST by Nickname
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To: GBA

Here is an excerpt related to the “daddy got me a job” consultants:

In fairness, Mitt promised to repeal Obama Care on day one, but he never handled the philosophical disconnect between that promise and touting Romney Care during the primaries, and ignored it for the General Election. The issue was further complicated by the astonishingly tone deaf response to the abominable “cancer ad” from Romney mouthpiece Andrea Saul. With the Democrats pushing the dark fairy tale that Romney killed a woman who had never worked for him, Saul retaliated with the unforgivable response “if (they) had been in Massachusetts under Governor Romney’s health care plan, they would have had health care.”

Face palm!

This typical “ we can be good liberals too” response reinforced the unhelpful notion that Romney was the godfather of Obama Care. It was inexcusably vapid on Saul’s part and indefensible that Romney didn’t fire her immediately. What happened to Mr. Bain’s propensity to downsize? Saul was clearly over her head, so naturally she was Press Secretary for the Campaign.

The Saul example is note worthy because she has just the kind of resume the establishment likes. She has worked for John McCain (twice) Orrin Hatch, and Charlie Crist. Crist? Really? Well of course she has, bless her little establishment heart. I doubt she can explain today why conservatives don’t trust Crist, and probably thinks it’s a bad thing he is out of the party.

She pretty much went from liberal Vanderbilt straight into political communications, and on a routine basis proves she doesn’t understand a damned thing about the real world. This is preordained since she’s never been in it. But she’ll be employed in the next cycle, and will continue to make indefensible statements. She is another great example of how the consultant class fails each other up. One thing the GOP must do is clean house of all the little naive “Daddy got me a job” consultants, and hire some folks who have actually been in the real world for a while.


24 posted on 02/11/2013 8:18:31 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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To: GBA

Here is an excerpt related to the “daddy got me a job” consultants:

In fairness, Mitt promised to repeal Obama Care on day one, but he never handled the philosophical disconnect between that promise and touting Romney Care during the primaries, and ignored it for the General Election. The issue was further complicated by the astonishingly tone deaf response to the abominable “cancer ad” from Romney mouthpiece Andrea Saul. With the Democrats pushing the dark fairy tale that Romney killed a woman who had never worked for him, Saul retaliated with the unforgivable response “if (they) had been in Massachusetts under Governor Romney’s health care plan, they would have had health care.”

Face palm!

This typical “ we can be good liberals too” response reinforced the unhelpful notion that Romney was the godfather of Obama Care. It was inexcusably vapid on Saul’s part and indefensible that Romney didn’t fire her immediately. What happened to Mr. Bain’s propensity to downsize? Saul was clearly over her head, so naturally she was Press Secretary for the Campaign.

The Saul example is note worthy because she has just the kind of resume the establishment likes. She has worked for John McCain (twice) Orrin Hatch, and Charlie Crist. Crist? Really? Well of course she has, bless her little establishment heart. I doubt she can explain today why conservatives don’t trust Crist, and probably thinks it’s a bad thing he is out of the party.

She pretty much went from liberal Vanderbilt straight into political communications, and on a routine basis proves she doesn’t understand a damned thing about the real world. This is preordained since she’s never been in it. But she’ll be employed in the next cycle, and will continue to make indefensible statements. She is another great example of how the consultant class fails each other up. One thing the GOP must do is clean house of all the little naive “Daddy got me a job” consultants, and hire some folks who have actually been in the real world for a while.


25 posted on 02/11/2013 8:19:20 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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To: C. Edmund Wright

“I have no idea why you think I missed that point.”

Because you sure as Hell missed the fact that Newt Gringrich was the only candidate during the primary actually going after Obama.

You and I have talked about Newt before, and your loathing of the man is palpable.

Read your book? Sure. What is the title?

Oh, and I have a suggestion for you: if you haven’t already seen this documentary, I strongly suggest you do so - The Money Masters (narrated by Bill Still). It explains why neither political party can change our government’s debt problem until we institute Monetary Reform.


26 posted on 02/11/2013 8:19:20 AM PST by SatinDoll (NATURAL BORN CITZEN: BORN IN THE USA OF CITIZEN PARENTS.)
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To: SatinDoll

You know, it’s kidn of difficult to read 400 words and then know what is in, or not in, a 104,000 word book. In the context of where I was in the book and made that statement, Newt was the only one focusing on Obama. This was true of much, but not all, of the primary process. It is also true that Newt abandoned Obama as well at two different times, and both were disasters for Newt. It is all thoroughly covered in the book and validated by writings from that actual time frame.


27 posted on 02/11/2013 8:23:44 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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To: C. Edmund Wright
In this way, the GOP establishment is similar to very thing we fight against in the Federal government, the arrogant controlling assumption that the elites know what we really need.

No, it's not similar. Its the exact same thing. The GOPe is the problem.

28 posted on 02/11/2013 8:24:46 AM PST by Count of Monte Fisto
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To: Count of Monte Fisto

You made a distinction without a difference. In context, that statement works.


29 posted on 02/11/2013 8:26:51 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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To: C. Edmund Wright
Out very soon, and I am THRILLED Rove officially declared war a couple days ago.

NO better dust jacket endorsement of the book could be had ....

Gone2012book

30 posted on 02/11/2013 9:03:15 AM PST by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: C. Edmund Wright; SatinDoll

Doll is right you did gloss over Newt and did not support him and yes he did speak out against Obama and the media

Two actions you champion btw....and Newt did them best

In fact his attack on media catapulted him into a possibity

Nice rant anyhow

Rove....Bushies...Fox hierarchy and so on

The enemy in our GOP civil war....one we’ll lose without an emergent leader for conservatism


31 posted on 02/11/2013 9:23:40 AM PST by wardaddy (wanna know how my kin felt during Reconstruction in Mississippi, you fixin to find out firsthand)
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To: Nickname

You make excellent points which I had not thought about to that level. I think you are correct.

We pretty much know that the GOP-e, the country club types, hate Conservatives and it has been just as you say. Here we have been pulling our hair out wondering why the GOP never spoke up and let the Left’s lies become hardened as truth.

I think you are on to something. Which is why I have said in previous posts that Conservatives may have to withhold our votes in 2014 and 2016, lose the battles, in order to win the war.

Ever wonder why the last few elections cycles saw a RINO at the top of the ticket and then a Conservative as the VP pick? I believe the GOP-e will not tolerate a Conservative at the top of the ticket, but is more than happy to molify us for votes and put a Conservative as the VP pick.

Looking back it’s hard not to see how the fix has been in all along.

Look at the history of “Moderate” top-of-ticket and Conservative for VP and you decide:

1) George Bush Sr. (Country Club) — Dan Quayle (Conservative from Indiana)

2) Bob Dole (GOP-e) — Jack Kemp (the darling of Conservatives at the time)

3) George W Bush (Largely unknown at the time) — Dick Cheney (Known Conservaitve)

4) McCain (RINO) — Sarah Palin (Conservative)

5) Romney (RINO record) — Paul Ryan (Conservative)

That represents two decades (1992 to 2012) of proof. How much more is needed to know that we have been played?


32 posted on 02/11/2013 9:25:54 AM PST by Obadiah (We must commit to remove every Senate Blue-dog Democrat from office in 2014!)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

bfl


33 posted on 02/11/2013 9:40:13 AM PST by VRW Conspirator (Sometimes it takes calamity to lead to serenity - FReeper RacerX1128)
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To: wardaddy
Doll is right you did gloss over Newt and did not support him and yes he did speak out against Obama and the media

Two actions you champion btw....and Newt did them best

In fact his attack on media catapulted him into a possibity

Nice rant anyhow

WTF are you talking about? I was a Newt supporter, and this book very clearly points out what you are claiming I missed. And FTR, I think you totally missed Doll's point too. Reading. Comprehension. Matters.

34 posted on 02/11/2013 9:40:24 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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To: wardaddy

From chapter one:

Ah yes, all of this after a primary season where the sorcerers in charge of the establishment messaging machine, including Mitt Romney’s campaign and his Super PACS, found it necessary to call the only candidate running hard against Obama the devil incarnate, but vital to insist that Obama himself is “a nice guy.”
Imagine.
Since Newt Gingrich is supposedly “the Gingrich who stole Christmas,” the GOP establishment felt safe, even justified, in savaging him. Since Obama is “still so personally popular, so likeable, such a great dad, the most amazing figure to visit our lowly planet, so elegant, so brilliant, so Ivy, so pragmatic, has a sharp pant crease” and so on, they ran a frightened campaign that stopped just short of endorsing him.


35 posted on 02/11/2013 9:52:45 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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To: wardaddy; Lakeshark; C. Edmund Wright
you did gloss over Newt and did not support him ...

LOL. This thread provides only snippets of a 104,000 book and you know what is "glossed over"?!

For the record, CEW was a Newt supporter throughout the GOP primary and there are plenty of FReepers who can confirm this. In the book, he only comments upon some tactical missteps within the campaign, but he did support the man and the message during the campaign.

36 posted on 02/11/2013 10:08:07 AM PST by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Servant of the Cross

“word”


37 posted on 02/11/2013 10:10:49 AM PST by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Servant of the Cross; SatinDoll; wardaddy
It's a fact that CEW thought Newt was the best candidate, he supported him during the primaries, lamented his loss, saying several times after Romney won that it was a mistake not to pick Newt.

What's the big deal here? I don't understand why anyone would say these kind of falsehoods.

38 posted on 02/11/2013 10:24:45 AM PST by Lakeshark (!)
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To: Servant of the Cross; wardaddy; Lakeshark

SOTC is right, I was big Newt supporter and the book includes columns of mine from Sept, Oct, Nov of 2011 confiming this. I also point out that there is a “good Newt” and a “bad Newt” and that is recurrent theme in the book as the “good Newt V Bad Newt” contrast is a microcosm of the conservative base V establishment tension. I also blister, and I mean BLISTER, the consultants for Newt who got him to abandon his anti Obama message. This section is funny, maddening, and poignant.


39 posted on 02/11/2013 10:25:06 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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To: C. Edmund Wright

BTW, soon the url www.tokyorove.com will be the book’s website. I was VERY happy to obtain that url.


40 posted on 02/11/2013 10:26:48 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Will it be available on Amazon in Kindle format?


41 posted on 02/11/2013 10:32:54 AM PST by LaRueLaDue
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To: C. Edmund Wright
soon the url www.tokyorove.com will be the book’s website.

PRICELESS!


42 posted on 02/11/2013 10:35:58 AM PST by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: LaRueLaDue

yes, all ebook formats and in paperback with a FABULOUS cover. (I didn’t design it, but kudos to my graphics company. They rock)


43 posted on 02/11/2013 10:38:21 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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To: Servant of the Cross

LOVE THAT graphic!

The Lord blessed me with the urls that were still available. I also have www.firekarlrove.com which is amazing, since I owned that url from 2001 through about 2004 and never did anything with it. Yet is was still available last week so I scooped it up again. I have multiple urls to make marketing more versatile and more trackable. But of all of them, I think tokyorove.com is my fave.


44 posted on 02/11/2013 10:41:00 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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To: C. Edmund Wright
McCain stumbled into the Palin pick out of misconception as he fancied Palin as a young McCain, and not a young Reagan.

McCain was wrong about that?

More wrong than you are?

45 posted on 02/11/2013 10:43:06 AM PST by x
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To: x; Servant of the Cross

Yes, McCain was wrong about that.
And I’m not wrong at all.

But I would love to hear your point.


46 posted on 02/11/2013 10:45:54 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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To: C. Edmund Wright
I don't have time to get in to any kind of discussion today, but I have come to a slightly different view about the election.

IMHO, the election was lost when the GOP decided Bambi could not be criticized, way back in late 2008, continuing from the day of his inaugural, all the way through until the end.

Newt could not have changed that narrative with the time and money he would have had if he won the nomination. The Bambi "stash" was too much, his giveaways too powerful, the media bias so overwhelming, without a public long term and consistent critique by the GOP, the narrative change that Newt would have brought would have been torn apart. The democrat/media complex would have overwhelmed him, in a far greater way than Romney did to him in the primary.

It's also true that "the bad Newt" would have been destroyed by the Bambi ads far more easily, putting him on defense constantly, and he would never have been able to raise half the money that Romney did.

Oh, I was a big Newt supporter during the primary, this is all 20/20 hindsight, a rethinking looking at what happened. I'll check back tomorrow if I get the time, I'd like to have a few back and forths about this: My thinking is if we can't figure out how to neutralize the big media and cultural advantage of the dems, we're in a heap of trouble. Taking out the media should be our main goal, and how that can be done is the most important strategy we should have, along with consistent, persistent, methods of repeating and communicating the conservative message(s) to the American public.

47 posted on 02/11/2013 10:55:57 AM PST by Lakeshark (!)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
There you go and she's but one example of who knows how many. The peterless principle meets the peter principle while sinking to new levels of mediocrity.

You can always tell the difference between someone whose knowledge comes from having done things compared to someone who has only learned about them from reading or hearing others talking about having done them.

What they teach has a certain power and value whereas what the other teaches is stale and lifeless.

Once upon a time, we respected someone who had a lifetime of doing and then retired to spend their time teaching what they had learned. Not just in education, but in all areas of life.

Now we have teachers who learned from other teachers who learned from other teachers. We are surrounded by the stale and hold it up in admiration.

48 posted on 02/11/2013 10:56:08 AM PST by GBA (Here in the Matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Also, congrats on the book, I hope to read through it in the not too distant future.


49 posted on 02/11/2013 10:57:01 AM PST by Lakeshark (!)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
It is also true that Newt abandoned Obama as well at two different times, and both were disasters for Newt

What?

Explain please..........

50 posted on 02/11/2013 10:58:22 AM PST by Osage Orange (MOLON LAVE)
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