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A generation of “little savages” raised in nurseries as daycare is linked to aggression in toddlers
Daily Mail (UK) ^ | 20:40 EST, 8 February 2013 | Gerri Peev

Posted on 02/08/2013 9:31:38 PM PST by Olog-hai

A rapid increase in nursery places has led to a generation of violent “little savages”, psychologist Oliver James has warned.

James, the best-selling author of books on child-rearing, said ministerial proposals to allow child carers to look after more youngsters would fuel aggression in the under-threes, which would have lasting effects.

Shoving youngsters in to nurseries was simply “warehousing” them so that the government could push mothers back to work to reap income for the Exchequer, he argued. …

James pointed to a study in America, which tracked youngsters for 15 years. It showed a correlation between the hours placed with nursery to increased aggression and bad behavior, reported by both parents and nursery workers. “Studies show there is a direct link between how many hours you spend in daycare up to the age of 4½ and how aggressive you are.” …

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: daycare; destroythefamily; liberalagenda; littlesavages

1 posted on 02/08/2013 9:31:48 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

It takes a village . . . Or something like that.


2 posted on 02/08/2013 9:33:59 PM PST by JohnBrowdie (http://forum.stink-eye.net)
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To: Olog-hai

No fathers and mothers paying zero attention to kids. God of course, is right out...

I know!!! Lets blame video games for the problem.


3 posted on 02/08/2013 9:40:09 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: Olog-hai

Take away the right of the parent to paddle their little butts and you get a generation of “little savages”.


4 posted on 02/08/2013 9:40:34 PM PST by doc1019
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To: JohnBrowdie

Bingo!


5 posted on 02/08/2013 9:40:56 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: Olog-hai

Just: Duh!


6 posted on 02/08/2013 9:41:12 PM PST by stanne
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To: Norm Lenhart

I thought they’d blame right-wing talk radio.


7 posted on 02/08/2013 9:49:38 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

If they could get away with “Toddlers listening to Rush”. I’m sure they would


8 posted on 02/08/2013 9:51:18 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: JohnBrowdie

“It takes a village . . . Or something like that.”

Sometimes...let’s face it...it takes a beating.


9 posted on 02/08/2013 9:52:55 PM PST by toddausauras (FUBO x 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000)
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To: Olog-hai

I don’t believe government pushed women into the workforce in order to reap the benefit of more tax income. I find it far more probable that women themselves wanted to work or were forced to work due to economic circumstances.

I’m old enough to remember when most women were stay at home moms. I often heard two-earner families talk about how much they enjoyed the extra income. In most cases, the women weren’t really forced to work. They were told they weren’t really equal if they didn’t have a career, and the families wanted more $ to spend.

That’s not to say there weren’t some families where the woman was forced to work. There were, but in many of those cases, the family’s own inept handling of their finances, i.e. too much debt, create the need for the woman to work.

That said, the left has this vision for the future that’s pure fantasy. They believe in all sorts of nonsense, like men and women are basically the same, that sex is a mere animal act (if it feels good, do it), that same-sex relations are the same as heterosexual unions, that schools and daycare centers can better raise children than the parents, that a single mom can raise a child as well as two parents, etc.

It’s all fantasy, and we’re all going to pay for it as American culture devolves. We aren’t entering a brave new world. We’re devolving into tribalism, paganism, and the law of the jungle.


10 posted on 02/08/2013 10:06:23 PM PST by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
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To: CitizenUSA

True.

But As I said on another thread, it has to be this way. People will not wake up as long as they don’t have to. They will ride the train into the wall. But once they hit the wall...well, then suddenly they notice it was there.

Just as many on the right as the left are this way, much as we don’t want to admit it. We see that in all the excuses people make for the GOP and other such issues. They will ride that train into the wall as well. And once that house of cards falls, the excuses will stop since there will be no one but themselves left to listen. And making excuses to yourself eventually results in a bad outcome anyway.

The good part to all this is natural will reassert itself. Just as it has throughout all the history people ignore when building every Utopia that has, and always will, fail.


11 posted on 02/08/2013 10:23:27 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: Norm Lenhart

Edit: Natural LAW will reassert itself...


12 posted on 02/08/2013 10:25:32 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: CitizenUSA

My mom worked when most moms were at home. At that time it meant escalating your living standard quite a bit because everything was relative. That advantage was lost once so many families had two incomes, at which point the second income became almost necessary, again in a relative way. I went to nursury school when I was four and cried every day on the way to it. And it was a jungle...terrifying place with wild kids running around everywhere and regimented eating and naps.Children pick up the least common denominator regarding habits and behavior when around other kids.


13 posted on 02/08/2013 10:32:50 PM PST by Anima Mundi (Envy is just passive, lazy greed.)
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To: Olog-hai
This guy?

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Poverty and Violence

Oliver James is a psychologist who researches social issues. His 1997 book Juvenile Violence in a Winner-Loser Culture attempts to find out exactly what it is about poverty that seems to lead to an increase in violence in young men. His conclusions are:

Low income for families causes depression in parents, and most importantly, in mothers, and depressed mothers bring up depressed and angry children.

A ‘winner/loser’ culture portrays owning possessions as the most important symbol of social status and identity. This makes those who do not own the right car/ house/ jacket/ bank or store account feel like ‘losers’ (social exclusion) instead of just poor — thus creating conditions for aggression.

What I thought was important about his research was that it showed how poverty created the conditions for violence. The link is psychological as well as social and economic. It is because of how poverty makes people feel about themselves, and others, that violence becomes a way of getting rid of these painful and unmanageable emotions.

http://www.cyc-net.org/cyc-online/cycol-0700-mckay.html

14 posted on 02/08/2013 10:37:35 PM PST by Ken H
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To: Olog-hai
Have one 'disciplinary male' present in all daycare centers.. The dude the little kids all have to answer to when out of line.. What the hell, put such a man in the elementary schools too. Watch things change rather quickly.

Who's the father at home? A female. Who's the father figure in daycare? Females. Who's the father figure in nearly all schools? Females. Get a clue!

15 posted on 02/08/2013 10:38:46 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (PRISON AT BENGHAZI?????)
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To: Norm Lenhart

NL: “The good part to all this is natural will reassert itself. Just as it has throughout all the history people ignore when building every Utopia that has, and always will, fail.”

I don’t want to see this great nation brought down, and I get no pleasure from seeing other people suffer. Nevertheless, you’re absolutely right. As a nation, we’re planting the seeds of our own destruction.

I try to see clearly. The real world IS around us, and it has no time for nonsense like same-sex marriage (as though two guys could possibly create a union! LOL!), the ridiculous concept that men and women are the same, that everyone can be rich by doing nothing and simply printing $, or that divorce, single parenthood, and shuffling children off into daycare has no negative impact.

I agree we’re gonna hit the wall, and there’s no stopping it. Even if you and I and others are able to see clearly, the vast majority won’t. The only way they’ll wake up is when it comes crashing down and they find they don’t have the most basic skills or resources necessary for survival in the real world. It’s not a matter of if. It’s a matter of when.


16 posted on 02/08/2013 10:51:58 PM PST by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
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To: CitizenUSA

There is one truth I have never, EVER seen fail. “History repeats”.

And you’d think that after the various rise and falls of empire, whether the gay Romans or the Communist Soviets, overandoverandoverandover again, people would realize that.

But IMO, there is a reason they don’t and that is liberal domination of the educational system. Even I, who graduated HS in 83 got a decent one.

I tell the story of my daughter who came home beaming that her final essay on the Revolutionary war got a high grade. That essay ENDED with Revere’s ride.

I said “Where’s the war?”

“That’s all they taught us.”

And so History will indeed repeat. If they won’t teach it, we will ABSOLUTELY repeat it. 100% dead certainty. Because learning from it interferes with Utopian dreams.


17 posted on 02/08/2013 11:01:30 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: Anima Mundi

Your story isn’t unusual. Parents even justify daycare, saying it will help their children socialize better. You can’t fix what happened to you, but you can choose to do better.

I’m not saying all women should stay home, btw, but I think it’s a shame that so many parents shirk the ultimate responsibility of taking care of their children.

Oh, I agree somewhat with your point about income. People want a lot of things, big TVs, new cars, huge houses, etc. In the past, single earner families had less toys (that’s really what most of it is. They aren’t needs. They’re wants). The typical family back then didn’t have a TV in every room, likely had only one car, and generally lived in much smaller houses. However, the cost of living does seem much higher now. There used to be plenty of jobs, for example, where a single earner could make enough to raise a family. Nowadays? Not so much.


18 posted on 02/08/2013 11:09:41 PM PST by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
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To: Norm Lenhart

It’s like George Santayana spoke in vain, on this matter.


19 posted on 02/08/2013 11:12:26 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Ken H

Ken H: “It is because of how poverty makes people feel about themselves, and others, that violence becomes a way of getting rid of these painful and unmanageable emotions.”

That may be true, but handing money to poor people probably doesn’t help them feel better about themselves. Welfare is dehumanizing. It robs the giver by turning charity into forced wealth redistribution, and it robs the receiver by making them dependent on others rather than letting them feel their own sense of worth and accomplishment.


20 posted on 02/08/2013 11:14:40 PM PST by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
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To: Olog-hai

He’s got company. Orwell and Huxley don’t get much credit either. And considering the left uses their most famous works as ‘how-to’ manuals for governance nearly verbatim, you’d think they would.

I find it amusing an a sad way that you can take those two books and find about anything the left does in them. Yet people scream ‘Tinfoil!” when you point it out. Even when you read them chapter and verse.

No hope. None.


21 posted on 02/08/2013 11:20:12 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: Norm Lenhart

NL: “There is one truth I have never, EVER seen fail. “History repeats”.”

That saddens me, but it’s true. Look at all the misery created by socialism and communism in the 20th Century. Yet, our dear president seems to think it will work here, that we can have all our needs met if government acts as a fairness arbiter. It’s been tried before, President Obama. It doesn’t work!

What’s even sadder is we have the benefit of far, far more information than previous generations. There’s so much information available online to whoever wants it. Yet, we’re still going to go down this road toward fairness, social justice, and equality, even though any fool can see where it’s leading.

You can also see where the immorality leads. Even if we somehow turn the clock back on government, you can’t build a healthy society using ruined families. Divorce, out of wedlock births, institutionalized child rearing, etc.. Some people hate the 50s, but look how many children grew up in stable, loving families back then. It wasn’t perfect, but the social ills were generally confined to small areas. Now it’s spreading everywhere.

What saddest of all? It doesn’t really matter, culturally speaking, how hard you and I try to be responsible citizens and parents. It doesn’t matter how hard we try to educate ourselves and make wise choices with our votes. We’re along for the ride.


22 posted on 02/08/2013 11:32:19 PM PST by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
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To: CitizenUSA; Anima Mundi
Oh, I agree somewhat with your point about income. People want a lot of things, big TVs, new cars, huge houses, etc. In the past, single earner families had less toys (that’s really what most of it is. They aren’t needs. They’re wants). The typical family back then didn’t have a TV in every room, likely had only one car, and generally lived in much smaller houses. However, the cost of living does seem much higher now. There used to be plenty of jobs, for example, where a single earner could make enough to raise a family. Nowadays? Not so much.

Back then, people wore humble clothing (Sears, Montgomery Wards, homemade, second-hand and mended), drove humble cars (the legendary station wagon, which all the kids learned to drive in), ate humble meals (TV dinners, hot dogs, fish sticks, the occasional restaurant meal at a local coffee shop), and pursued humble amusements (the local library, family drives, movies out only very rarely). Now everything is throwaway, each kid has to have a car, all clothing is "designer" and all food is "gourmet." Nothing is normal anymore.

23 posted on 02/08/2013 11:37:14 PM PST by thecodont
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To: CitizenUSA

I once worked with a reporter, who UNEXPECTEDLY!!! went to work for an East coast state Dem pol. He was the stereotype lib made flesh.

No matter how much reality you shoved down his throat, no matter how many pages of historical proof his beliefs were all a disastrous lie, none of it mattered. His vision, the lib vision was holy writ. And he literally said it failed before because the wrong people were in charge. Literally. No joke.

We will be living in the Road Warrior movie shortly. The only good thing about that is death, disease, slavery and exposure to the elements will kill off most of his mindset.

Most with our mindset will come together to survive it. Assuming Obama doesn’t nuke us just to ‘win’.


24 posted on 02/08/2013 11:40:14 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: Norm Lenhart

A lot of moral and responsible people will be harmed right along with those who create the chaos. However, I agree. Who is more likely to survive, a welfare mom who is totally dependent on an EBT card and other handouts or someone who is used to doing things for themselves? Who is more likely to do OK? A feminist studies major, a racial grievances expert, or a plumber? The natural order of things will reassert itself eventually.


25 posted on 02/09/2013 12:05:27 AM PST by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
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To: doc1019

Take away the right of the parent to paddle their little butts and you get a generation of “little savages”.


Primitive and untrue.

You do not need to beat people in order to civilize them. I am not opposed to spanking in 100% of situations but in 80% of situations, hitting children doesn’t civilize them. You do not civilize by fear but by desire. They should want to grow up to be happy, organized, fair, decent, kind, and effective like you are, their hero.

A little swat on the tush when a child runs into traffic is perfectly fine. You want fear there, because that kind of fear will save their life. Beating them in general for being toddlers makes them weaker and meaner. The best people are the ones who choose goodness out of meaningful desire. It takes getting through the youngest years and putting up with baby behavior, with love and amusement and patience. No child is ever loved too much.

Never expect more out of a little child than their age allows, and keep them in a safe home environment where they have safe freedom to explore, most of the time. If you truly accept them as the babies and new little people they are, their behavior will be “good.” Change your perspective if not. Preschools are storage units for the most part. Not a good atmosphere for MOST kids.


26 posted on 02/09/2013 12:35:16 AM PST by Yaelle
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To: CitizenUSA

If I have any hope left in me at all, it’s that once things get rolling and the oxen of the ‘not totally kool aid drinking’ libs gets gored, they will question it and be shunned by their ‘comrades’. At that point, the scales tip.

Side note: When I was Ed at Off-Road.com and fighting the Landuse wars, The National Mountain Bike Association hopped willingly into bed with the Sierra Club to close ‘multiple use’ trails and areas. And together, they enjoyed great success.

When the ‘No off-Road vehicles’ signs went up in these areas, the bikers noticed the ‘No bicycles’ symbol right next to the circle-slashed Jeep symbol.

The sierra Club responded thus...

“We said no mechanized recreation...what did you think we meant? Mountain bikes are evil too.”

And on that day, many ‘conservatives’ were born.


27 posted on 02/09/2013 12:57:26 AM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: CitizenUSA

I happen to believe that the liberating movements of our time are devised and thought up, not for the people they are supposed to champion, but to splinter society.

In the case of women’s liberation, if the state gets the women out of the house working, they can get to the children and bring them up. I think that has been the game plan all along.
- Efrem Zimbalist Jr.


28 posted on 02/09/2013 1:35:45 AM PST by donna (Pray for revival.)
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To: Olog-hai
Shoving youngsters in to nurseries was simply “warehousing” them so that the government could push mothers back to work to reap income for the Exchequer, he argued. …

Interesting that a liberal lashes out at a situation that would not exist if not for the liberal revolution that changed things so the average family cannot get by with one paycheck...

29 posted on 02/09/2013 5:14:31 AM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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To: Olog-hai

“”Hey, their mamas and daddys may not whoop them but ole Uncle Si ‘ll tear their tale up.””


30 posted on 02/09/2013 6:08:48 AM PST by envisio (Its on like Donkey Kong!!)
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To: Olog-hai

The contemporary state is at war with human society, and it is winning. People everywhere seem determined to learn about socialism the hard way.

Luckily for humanity, even the worst of these socialist scourges eventually burn themselves out.

There are no thousand-year reichs.


31 posted on 02/09/2013 6:33:14 AM PST by headsonpikes (Mass murder and cannibalism are the twin sacraments of socialism - "Who-whom?"-Lenin)
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To: CitizenUSA

Parents even justify daycare, saying it will help their children socialize better.

I chose to work very limited hours (only 1 night a week when my husband could be home with the kids) and homeschool when my kids were young. I really had to defend my choice and seek out support with like-minded groups. Many people consider what I did very negatively. If you quit or work part-time you are throwing away your education and not giving your children all you can monetarily. Don’t put them in day-care/school and you are socially depriving them for your own selfish satisfaction of having them at home. Some even suggested that even though I was home I put them in a daycare a few days a week just so they would get used to it and learn to socialize! People were always amazed at how well-behaved and ‘socialized’ they were- how can that be when they don’t spend 10 hours a day with other kids? Sometimes I would get get the comment ‘they are so NORMAL- I’m surprised that you homeschool’!


32 posted on 02/09/2013 6:47:13 AM PST by usmom
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To: Olog-hai

It is interesting that in almost all situations people will work out a way that works best, then use it for years without problems.

Then there shows up someone who says...”I’m from the Government. I’m here to help!” and everything that worked goes to hell in a handbasket.


33 posted on 02/09/2013 7:37:10 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Click my name! See new paintings!)
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To: Yaelle

The person you’re replying to got it right. Don’t let California disease overtake ye.


34 posted on 02/09/2013 8:06:46 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: doc1019

You are right.

Yesterday I went into a beauty supply store to return an item. The only other customers there were two women and a little boy. The little boy was running around, hollering and screaming, and pulling things off the shelves. It’s a small shop, and that yelling really echoed. The checkout girl was repeatedly interrupted in her work by the kid running behind the counter and pulling on her arm. And the mother never ONCE said a single word.

When I was a kid, I tried that kind of thing with my mother...once. She paddled my rear end right then and there, and I never did it again.


35 posted on 02/09/2013 8:28:19 AM PST by CatherineofAragon (Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization)
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To: Olog-hai

It has been established that children raised by a single parent is 60% more likely to criminally offend than one raised in a heterosexual two-parent family.

This is because children with male and female parents are raised in a “success” mode; but those raised by a single parent are raised in a “survival” mode. These “survival oriented” children compete for single advantage, not cooperate for mutual advantage, and as teenagers are far more likely to become gang members and substance abusers.

Young children do best with a tight affiliation to just their family until *about* age five. They need lots of physical contact to neurologically develop, and a strong understanding of who is family, and who is not, and that if they feel any risk or possible threat, they need to rejoin their family immediately.

This does not mean complete isolation, but that their parents need to be nearby when there are strangers, even in day care. Just abandoning them there, even for a few hours, almost assures they will feel risk and have no one to flee to.


36 posted on 02/09/2013 8:30:28 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: Olog-hai

BTT!!!!

Most day care has little adult influence, it’s like Lord of the flies!


37 posted on 02/09/2013 8:36:52 AM PST by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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