Skip to comments.Nuclear war over Rove's claims to work for Reagan; Gipper biographer says no
Posted on 02/08/2013 1:09:21 PM PST by smoothsailing
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Correct, and concise.
My litmus test for conservatives may not be the same as others, but by conservative, I mean someone who upholds the Constitution and doesn't change his values according to the way the wind blows.
If they have most of my core values and I know where they stand on important issues, I might vote for them. I loved the way Guliani told off the Saudi’s after 9/11 and he's not exactly what one would call conservative, but I get the feeling he would uphold the Constitution. But this constant changing by the Republican elites to be Dem-lite just turns me off.
Ted Cruz is looking good. He seems to have a solid core so far.
SO true. When someone is elected in the primary, he doesn't like he goes after them and ensures they lose. This happened with Christine O'Donnell. He went after her after she won the primary and basically said those that voted for her were nuts. He wasn't a gracious loser at all.
Maybe if he and the other Republican elites hadn't bashed her the way they did, she might have had a chance. We will never know. The same with Todd Akins. he said a stupid thing and apologized for it, but the Republican elites went after him tooth and nails. Dems don't eat their own, but Republicans do (if it is someone outside the Republican elitist circle).
There is a lot of complaining on this thread about the current state of the GOP, but how many here are actually willing to do something about it? The clock is ticking to November 2014.
Excellent points, thank you for your post. I look back at how Hannity had “The Architect” on every half hour it seems, and how he was almost a regular on Fox and Friends. We have to vote.with our unison voices now because it is the last vestige of freedom that we have...no more period. Dollars withheld will also be the rule.
With the GOP-E, they always expect Conservatives to back moderate or liberal Republican primary winners, but when the tables are turned, they walk away in a snit and ensure defeat. The same ting happened with Castle and O'Donnell. O'Donnell could have conceivably won if the GOP-E had backed her like it should have and Rove and company had not attacked her. Instead, they just sat back and refused to help her.
And remember Joe Miller in Alaska? In the middle of his campaign, when he was ahead, the GOP-E sent former Huckabee staffers up to bulk up his campaign. What did they do? They shoved his grassroots people aside, and advised him to publicly dump the Palins from his bandwagon. In the meantime, the GOP-E provided significant party resources, money, and staff to sour grapes Lisa Murkowski. The end result? Miller lost, and Murkoski got to rub Sarah Palin's nose in it.
Some people around here need to go back and look at the old election threads from 2010 and remember what was going on then.
In other words “HEY LOOK OVER THERE, LIBERALS (phew, now maybe they’ll forget about my lies)”.
I value the truth, in all circumstances.
“Why would he make up a b.s. story that could be easily refuted?”
Because it’s worked for him just fine up until now!
And this is exactly my point. The enemy right now is not the democrats, it's the republicans/GOPe. We might not be able to stop Rove but we can sure as shinola tell him where he can go! He's a big time rino supporter, regardless of what he's saying.
I never liked both Bush'es and I never liked Karl Rove. But I am astute enough to recognize Rove is not the real enemy. The real enemies are Obama-Reid-Pelosi-Clintons.
Of course, you were sure to say it in extra big blue letters. Calling yourself astute and drawing attention to your "astutution" (to coin a word) was bound to generate some ridicule. However, my criticism of you was for the substance of what you wrote. You said that Karl Rove is not the real enemy. I replied with a post making clear my belief that Karl Rove is indeed one of conservatism's enemies, and his enmity is sneakier, as well as potentially more harmful to the cause. You are welcome to disagree, but not to argue against things that have not been said.
I see the pattern, Rove does not like gov Palin. So what? I like gov Palin. Because I am a high information voter. I have observed her actions in AK and her speeches and her appearances on Fox News. But that is no reason for me to attack Rove. So long as he is supporting another REPUBLICAN, I am not going to form a circular firing squad.
President Reagan famously enunciated his 11th commandment “thous shall not speak ill of a fellow republican”. I follow that rule.
We should always have spirited primaries. That separates the weak from the strong. I am looking forward to 2016 primaries with a spirited contest between Marco Rubio & Rand Paul. It will be more interesting that between Mittens, Newt, Rick, Perry & Cain.
Only politicians who hurt my lifestyle are tax raisers, almost universally democrats. Even Bush-41 ran on “read my lips” but was stupidly gave in to democrat pressure to raise taxes. No other republican president has done that since I became a US citizen in 1970. If you are under 43 years age, you should defer to me, I have been a US citizen longer than you lol.
Thanks for clearing that up. You may want to read my post just above.
I dont remember Rove working for the Reagan Campaign, But he sure worked for the Obama Campaign, that we do know
Thanks. For a more humorous slant:
The Liberal Agenda Media loves nothing more than to demonize debate on viewpoints that are different from theirs.
The maturity level of a Liberal is that of a teenager, Ben Stein calls it Juvenile.
Middle-of-the-road guys like me that believe that there should be NO Federal borrowing, selling of US Bonds, or anything else that causes the damned Federal Government to live beyond its means, are wasting our time reasoning with Liberals.
While the Liberals couch all of our reasoned discussions as wedge issues that will splinter the GOP, we need to continue to focus on where WE as the GOP has gone onto the wrong track.
Let us consider that the GOP is a football team. One of the Assistant Coaches is Karl Rove. Karls strong suit is the Buckley Rule: Support your team mates if : 1) They are athletes that you like, and 2.) If you think they can win the next game.
[Note: the real Buckley Rule is: Support the most Conservative candidate, who can be elected. In the last election the GOP followed the Buckley Rule to the letter and chose Socialist, Father of Romneycare, never-attack-your-opponent, wussy, Mitter-or-Mutter Romney.]
Back to GOP Football. Ass. Coach Rove picks out his choices for the O-Line, and to a man they agree that there is no sense playing any game this season because there is no way that they can win the Football Game. The Opposition has just to many bad things to say and print in their news shows and newspapers, well - - - - it is just to hard!
The sponsors, (you and me), of this GOP Team are tired of the self-defeating Buckley Rule, and want the rule and Ass. Coach Rove sent back to the locker room where the trainers can work some sense in Rove.
Quarterback Boehner does not like some players, and has already sent 3 of them to warm up the bench. Q. Boehner is driven to tears fearing that Middle Line Backer Reid knows all of Boehners passing routes. Reids team does not play fair! Boo-hoo!
Earlier this year in the Sequester Bowl, Q. Boehner clutched up and called to many time outs that his team had negative yardage due to delay of game penalties.
Quarterback Boehner is still convinced that the upcoming Debt Ceiling Superbowl cannot be won due to statements of smug victory in the Puppet Liberal Agenda Media by Coach Obama and Middle Line Backer Reid.
Quarterback Boehner is considering polling the solid RINOs on his team to find out whether or not they can beat Reid and Obama.
Right now it looks like the RINO team members are leaning toward postponing the Debt Ceiling Superbowl until Reid and Obama start to say nice things about them.
Coach Obamas outgoing Waterboy Timmy Geihtner, has assured his replacement that RINOs on a team make it easy to manipulate them.
Geihtner claims that all you have to do is hold a Puppet Press Conference and just say NO!
There are quite a few, but let’s start with Ted Cruz.
I beg to differ, I am a news junky and I have not come across Rove attacking Cruz. Supporting Cruz’s opponent is not attacking Cruz unless one is thin skinned. In any primary election, every one should vigorously support their choice.
Have you got any links to Rove attacking Cruz in the general election against the democrat? That would change my opinion of Rove 180 degrees.
I supported Cain & then Newt during the primaries but in the general I voted the nominee of the party. That does not make me attacking Romney.
Karl Rove was Steve Schmidt’s mentor.
Rove was behind the bashing of Palin during the McCain campaign by Schmidt and Wallace because Rove knew that if Palin got in as VP, Jeb would have to wait possibly 12 or 16 years to get his chance at the Presidency.
List of money contributed by Karl Rove’s Crossroads PAC
during the 2012 Senate campaigns:
$2.9 Million to Marco Rubio
$2.7 Million to Rand Paul
$8.0 Million to Ken Buck
$5.1 Million to Sharon Angle
$1.4 Million to Toomey
$5.0 Million to Mourdock
$3.3 Million to Akin
Figures speak louder than words?
Surely Karl Rove is not my cup of tea. But I am past hating
or attacking any republican as taught to me by Ronald Reagan’s 11th commandment. But I will also not attack any poster simply because they can’t stand Rove.
Do you care to comment on post #126? TIA.
Rove and his elitist circle are the biggest enemies out there for us, because of them they make it harder for conservatives to be elected and have a conservative country.
As for who has he attacked, oh Palin comes to mind right away, where was he defending Col Allen West, how about Angel .
Rove and his elitist pals care about their own power and that is why they would rather attack our side than actually fight the radical left over socialist , commie 60’s hippies
Please see post #126.
I do not support politically un-electable candidates either.
That does not make me anti-conservative. That makes me politically astute. I like winning. I hate losing. It is a simple philosophy which serves well in life.
I read it and never said you were anti conservative I said Rove and his ilk attacked Palin and boy did thye do a good job of that.
Rove and his elitist pals will do anything to save their power and stop conservativs from being elected.
As for you hate losing, well when the likes of Rove get their guys into power you lose and it does ot mean a damn if they have an R at the end of their name.
We’ve been losing for decades because we have an elitist snotty nosed group like Rove, Krauthammer, Perino, etc who all would rather attack good honest hard working down to earth , know how the hard working blue collar class work than attack the lunatic socliasts who they cozy up to.
Hell look what they did to Newt, Sarah, Angel, Col ,Allen West, we lost they won and when they guys lose like Romney through massive fraud too then they don;t say anything or even fight back.
Every one on that list whom Rove spent money for, is a fairly good conservative. Actions speak for themselves.
As for Sarah Palin, Newt, Col West, Christine O’Donnell, Michelle Bachmann, I love them all dearly. I even sent contributions to some of them. But they all lost general elections or primaries. It is time to move on. Don’t know enough about Sharon Angle to make an intelligent comment.
Once any candidate loses, they become powerless and largely irrelevant.
Folks like Rove make it possible for more Dems to win by splitting the base and forcing crap RINO candidates down our throats.
Very good point! You’re the first one to actually do a great job articulating this.