COMBAT VETERAN ARRESTED! [accused of possessing high-capacity magazines for an assault rifle]

The Right Perspective ^ | January 31, 2013

[Rig4Dive]

Nathan Haddad, a decorated combat veteran with multiples deployments to Afghanistan, who has spent spent 12 years serving his Country in the United States Army, is now under Arrest!

[Jet Jaguar]

From the link.

New York’s draconian Gun Ban has now claimed it’s first VICTIM!

Nathan Haddad, a decorated combat veteran with multiples deployments to Afghanistan, who has spent spent 12 years serving his Country in the United States Army, is now under Arrest!

Reportedly, Haddad was stopped at a State Police Checkpoint and 5 AR-15 magazines were found in the trunk of his car. Haddad is now being charged with five counts of third degree criminal possession of a weapon for violating New York State law!

Nathan Haddad’s brother, Michael, reported that the magazines were “pre-ban” which would have made them legal in New York, under New Yorks original “ban.” Two weeks ago, New York passed a second ban, which has not yet taken effect, which would make any magazine over 10 rounds illegal all together.

Many Freedom loving New Yorkers are refusing to register their guns and or comply with New York’s unconstitutional, draconian gun laws. Demonstrators arrived at the New York State Police’s Lake Placid barracks asking questions. Reportedly, gun owners said they will not register semi-auto rifles or modify their magazines, while others wanted to know what the State Police planned to do about it.

Turning law abiding gun owners and American Heroes into Criminals doesn’t keep this Country safe and only places fear and distrust in these very same people.

[RushIsMyTeddyBear]

I’m not EVER going to visit NY State, again. They can take my tourist money (revenue) and shove it up their asses.

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[factoryrat]

Hmm, NY bans law abiding citizens from arming themselves. It should be interesting to watch the mafia and drug dealers and other assorted criminals rip the state of NY to pieces. They dug their grave, now they get to lay in it.

[Old Sarge]

First: why were the cops in his trunk?
Second: why did he allow the cops to search his car?
Third: if the gun ban hasn’t taken effect yet, why is he under arrest?

Something doesn’t smell right...

[Gene Eric]

Gestapo ping.

[Joe 6-pack]

"Something doesn’t smell right..."

It doesn't smell any better when you look at the original poster's sign up date.

[BIGLOOK]

BTT

[Brad’s Gramma]

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[Old Sarge]

Hmmm, and it’s a blog, too...

[Fee]

I have seen people from Red States get all into a tizzy when in Time Square of NYC. NYC is the cultural power center that plans to destroy the political and social values that made the Red States better. NYC depends heavily on tourism, boycott the city and their tourist sites. The other power base of NYC is Wall Street bankers. The people who imploded our financial system with liar loans and paid a small fine compared to the huge profits they made, plus the bailout for the losses they incurred, and had the records sealed as part of the criminal settlement. It means follow up civil suits can not go forward for the customers, home owners and etc. State gov get their bribe (ala fines), and the bankers get to cut off future lawsuits and keep majority of their ill gotten gains. Conservatives should join with radical left in Congress to break up our big banks and let the regional banks buy up their assets and given a chance to be the new large US banks, while the ones who screwed things up should be bankrupted, broken up and sold. You destroy their tourism, and banking center, and the entire NYC liberal northeast will lose power (CT, RI, northern NJ).

[Conscience of a Conservative]

” New York’s draconian Gun Ban has now claimed it’s first VICTIM!”

Wrong. Haddad was arrested on Jan. 6, roughly 10 days before New York passed the new laws. Not that it matters much on its own, but calls into question the accuracy of any other facts cited by this blog.

[CyberAnt]

“bans law abiding citizens from arming themselves”

BUT OBAMA HAS NO PROBLEM SENDING F-16’s AND TANKS TO EGYPT’s MORSI - ISRAEL’S NEWEST ENEMY.

[fabian]

What do the political idiots not understand about the words...bear ARMS and not be infringed? Any laws such as the ones stated are indeed infringements! How dare they so flagrantly break our supreme laws that many have died to establish! Get them in jail now!

[Old Sarge]

We’ve got questions for you.

Care to stick around and answer them?

Or are you just pimping your blog for hits?

[Jet Jaguar]

I agree.

[Bshaw]

After WWII, New York City ticker taped out troops! Not today, now it’s harassing our heroes and making them criminals?

New York, you embarrass yourself.

[neverdem]

Thanks for the ping. Finding the actual link required some looking.

COMBAT VETERAN ARRESTED! NY

[SaraJohnson]

Get out of liberal land.

This is a method to make prison populations more quota equal. A lot of non-criminal white boys, who won’t surrender their rights, will end up in prison for acting as free men.

[USNBandit]

For anybody interested in the Fourth Amendment. If you are concerned about this type of police activity never ever give consent to search. By giving a consent to search you are giving up your 4th amendment protections. By not giving your consent to search the police are required to build probable cause for a search.

Should you be arrested for anything in your vehicle the first thing your lawyer should do is challenge the circumstances under which your car was searched. He can't do that if you gave up your 4th amendment protections.

There are ways they can get around the 4th amendment. One is a dog. Let's say you pull up to a "safety check point" and the police have dog running around the cars. This is legal and has been held up in court as not violating your privacy rights. If they ask to put the dog in the car you can refuse. Hypothetically, if in a case like this one they used a dope sniffing dog, said he alerted, searched the car, found no drugs and then came up with the magazines then I expect a defense attorney would challenge the dog and the results of the search.

There are some police who are really good (like Obi Wan Kenobi good) at getting people to give consent to search. A good friend of mine popped a couple guys carrying 100 lbs. of cocaine, that gave him consent to search off a simple traffic stop. He knew they had the drugs, but when he asked politely there was something about the way he asked that kept them from saying no.

[KitJ]

I read the midnight law passed by NY legislature and it appears they back-dated it to 1 January, though it was passed around the 18th. (I’m not a lawyer)

My reading is woe unto the purchaser of a banned gun between 1st and 18th or so January - you are now a potential felon.

If a New Yorker bought one of these weapons of mass destruction, and waited the multi-day period, and took possession of said gun, they are now a potential felon.

A Latin term that might be applied is ‘ex post facto’. Turns out that these buyers broke the law before there even was a law. Go figure.

The other notable item in this hastily passed law is that there is no exemption for LEOs or military. That means that virtually every NY Guardsman or military member will soon become a felon because they have AR magazines as part of their required kit.

Wait until a cop pulls over a PFC at Ft. Drum with a Government issued AR mag. He’s a lawbreaker now.

Speaking of lawbreakers, under this law as written, every cop who has a standard magazine in their service pistol is also subject to arrest. God forbid he has an AR in his patrol car.

Heh heh. Can New Yorkers now make a citizen’s arrest on every cop not carrying a revolver? Not until July or so.

[deks]

I did a little searching. Nathan Haddad is a wounded veteran, a retired Army Staff Sergeant who served at Fort Drum, New York.

"Haddad was charged with five counts of third degree criminal possession of a weapon and arraigned in Watertown town court."

Watertown, New York, is 70 miles north of Syracuse, N.Y. The Army's Fort Drum is nearby.

LeRay Man Faces Weapons Possessions Charges

Fox 28 News - Watertown, New York - January 7, 2013

A town of LeRay man was accused Sunday of possessing high-capacity magazines for an assault rifle.

Jefferson County Sheriff's deputies say 32 year old Nathan Haddad allegedly had five 30-round magazines for an AR-15 rifle in his possession. Police say the magazines were found during a vehicle check on Steinhilber Road in the town of LeRay.

Haddad was charged with five counts of third degree criminal possession of a weapon and arraigned in Watertown town court.

http://www.wwnytv.com/news/local/LeRay-Man-Faces-Weapons-Possessions-Charges-185853881.html

[Dick Bachert]

Agent provocateur??

[deks]

Thank you for joining Free Republic and posting this story. I have linked a confirmation of it from Fox 28 News (Watertown, N.Y.) in Reply #25 of this thread.

Nathan Haddad should have the support of patriotic Americans. . . this needs to get national attention.

[deks]

For those who may be suspicious of blog articles, please see the Fox News confirmation in Reply #25. I will post more information about Staff Sgt. Nathan Haddad in this thread.

[21twelve]

Thanks for the link, and for the original post R4D.

I wonder if the brief article is leaving something out, like he is a convicted felon or something and if the existing laws would prevent him from having magazines? Which in itself can be debated. If someone is deemed to be fit to be out of prison, why can they not enjoy all of their God given rights?

Or - the cops are jumping the gun on the new laws.

[21twelve]

The following is a link to another blog with more information. No indication that Haddad had any run-ins with the law previously. Sounds like he was pulled over in the same small town where he lives.

I used to live in a small town. The nice thing is that everybody knows everybody. The bad thing is that everybody knows everybody.

http://wramsite.com/forum/topics/line-in-the-sand-crossed-ny-arrest-of-army-vet-in-possession-of?commentId=3567481%3AComment%3A1492268&xg_source=activity

[lentulusgracchus]

Second: why did he allow the cops to search his car?

It works like this: You don't give permission to search the car, the bear phones home and then informs you that you will stay there at that location until the sniffer K-9 shows up in, oh, about 3-1/2 hours.

Capiche?

Your rights are zero.

[KitJ]

Watertown is to Ft. Drum like Fayet-nam is to Ft. Bragg. Columbus to Ft. Benning. Barstow to Ft. Irwin. Leesville to Fort Polk, and so on. It is a city with a lot of soldiers running around next to a major Army base.

Watertown *should* be a soldier-known place to local law enforcement ( I say ‘soldier known’ and NOT ‘soldier friendly’ - no place in New York that I’ve been to likes soldiers).

NY - you hate me and I hate you so we’re even. Haven’t met an NY’er yet that didn’t hate me for being Southern. Suck it Sheep.

As I’ve said in other posts, the new NY law places all LEOs and soldiers in violation of the law. Now, who will arrest the law enforcers or the lawmakers?

[Safetgiver]

Haddad was stopped at a State Police Checkpoint and 5 AR-15 magazines were found in the trunk of his car....Dumbass. Why did he allow them to search his trunk?

[Safetgiver]

You don’t give permission to search the car, the bear phones home and then informs you that you will stay there at that location until the sniffer K-9 shows up in, oh, about 3-1/2 hours....Could be quite lucrative. Unlawful detention. “The right to REASONABLE search and seizure.”

[stevie_d_64]

I interpret it this way...

“I do not consentr to a search of my vehicle, am I free to go?”

At which point the law enforcment officer has to make a decision, arrest, mirand-ize you to place you into custody (which IS lawful, it may not be right, but it is lawful) at which time you are compelled to comply to the arrest, but the non consent to the search is still in effect...

I would pull a fast one and request a phone call to your attorney, which in these days is a must have, no matter what the cost...Most times an attorney looks to make money on the back side of situations like this, and when you find one, keep them handy on speed-dial...

Never utter the words “yes” or “no” in your response to the question of search...I know it seems hard to do, but it is necessary to ensure that the ecording of the encounter cannot be clipped to not include context of your statement in response...This is critical, and needs to be second nature to you and anyone with you, including a spouse or family member/friend(s) in the vehicle with you...

Upon exiting your vehicle, lock the vehicle upon your exit and place the keys in your pocket...Do not concent to a search of your vehicle, and your person...Instruct your passengers to NOT unlock or open the vehicle under any circumstances short of immediate life thratening danger to themselves while in your vehicle...

A law enforcement officer cannot legally gain entry into the vehicle if informed of your refusal without a warrant...So emptying your pockets and finding the keys does not give them authority, without a warrant to enter your vehicle before the warrant is served...

Asking the passengers to unlock and give them entry into the vehicle is also illegal, compelling them to exit the vehiccle is also improper for safety reasons, and still as soon as they exit the vehicle, it should be cleverly, and swiftly locked and doors shut as soon as they exit...

Coordinating a situation like this is difficult, but reasonable in these times...But it is necessary and proper to protect your liberties and freedoms...You may have “nothing to hide” but you have everything to protect, and that had better be honored by law enforcement, or their may be problems in the future...

You need to understand that these ideas are not legal advice, and may still not be applicable to specific state laws, but thy do give an idea that needs to be applied to specific state law and situations and adjusted accordingly...

You may very well have to take the “ride” for refusing, and refusing a search of your vehicle and person is NOT probable cause to seek a warrant, but in some cases where these “safety stops” are frequent in your area, they are prepared for folks like us,and you will have to take the ride for your resistance...

It may very well cause you loss of $$$$$$ to defend yourself, and your attorney needs to understand and be prepared and willing to take this issue all the way up,or not be utilized forthis purpose...I’m sure there are a ton of them out there when you lay the situation out there for them that will be ready to help you when the time comes...You just have to find the right one...

The decision is yours, and yours alone...

Just my opinion...

[stevie_d_64]

By the way, resisting to a point is acceptable, but battling it out on the side of the highway is not the place for it...Be safe and be concerned for the safety of all involved including the officer(s)...

On a side note, I am not surprised, nor am I sorry for the citizens of NY state in this regard...They elected this gaggle, and are now paying for it with their liberties and freedoms...I seriously doubt anything will ever happen to the elected cadre of progressives they put into office in that state...They made that bed, and now they get to enjoy the benefits of that effort...

To those who oppose this agenda by your elected officials, well...Stay where you are, do what is necessary to change the equation, no matter how long it takes...

All of this, once again will take the ultimate “gut-check” by the individual...It is a rhetorical question I have posted for years about this type of situation, and one not requiring a public, personal pontification of your intent on a forum such as this...

“What are YOU prepared to do about it??? And, what are YOU prepared to sacrifice to achieve that goal???”

[lentulusgracchus]

...place you into custody (which IS lawful, it may not be right, but it is lawful) at which time you are compelled to comply to the arrest, but the non consent to the search is still in effect...

Umm, what about "search incident to arrest"? I think they can do that. Just bust you and search you and let you sue 'em if you care, kind of thing.

Lots of cowboys in LE nowadays.

[deks]

I just sent you a mail message about possibly pinging the New York list about this. . . (didn’t see you were already on the thread : )

[Northern Yankee]

Musings of Mark Lavin last night: We're arming the muslim brotherhood with F-16s, while at the same time disarming law abiding Americans.

This damned administration is screwed up from top to bottom.

[Yo-Yo]

[accused of possessing high-capacity standard capacity magazines for an assault rifle]

There, fixed it for you.

[Northern Yankee]

Musings of Mark Levin last night:

We're arming the muslim brotherhood with F-16s, while at the same time disarming law abiding Americans.

This damned administration is screwed up from top to bottom.

Fixed!

[ez]

Haven’t met an NY’er yet that didn’t hate me for being Southern

Now you have. I have lived in NY, NC, and FL, including the home of Camp LeJeune, and I have no such biases. In fact, I prefer the south, but all my work and contacts are in the progressive capitol of the world.

[Safetgiver]

As working cop, something similar to this happened. I was stopped in Tennessee for a trumped up left of center something. The cop saw my pistol on my hip which I allowed him to take off me. I explained my reasons for having it (going to Tampa to pick up a murderer), and he looked dubious. He said “you’all want to open up your trunk?” I said “No.” He threw me against the cruiser and handcuffed me. I calmly turned to him and said “Ya’ll want to give me your wallet? Cause I’m gonna have it.” After I was released, my lawyer went after him for reparations of my wages, my time off, my humiliation and a half dozen other reasons, he lost his badge, I won a little bit of money and my lawyer was paid in full and didn’t cost the state of Tenn. a penny. Reason ? REASONABLE search and seizure. His defense? He wouldn’t allow a search of the trunk. He asked ME “You want to open your trunk?” and I just didn’t WANT to.

[ronnie raygun]

Gangbangers, assorted criminals, hoods and murder rapist are the only ones allowed to have guns according to the new beedy eyed son of sfachime govna!

[Fresh Wind]

Since Haddad’s arrest, something like 65,000 children have been slaughtered by abortionists.

Thank goodness Haddad won’t be adding to the body count.

[deks]

Did you forget the /Sarcasm tag?

[deks]

From: The Mountaineer Online - Fort Drum Public Affairs Office

Fort Drum veteran honored at dinner with VIPs for taking care of wounded warrior

March 15, 2012 - Paul Steven Ghiringhelli, Staff Writer

Army veteran Nate Haddad, an employee at Fort Drum's Network Enterprise Center, appeared in uniform as an honored guest Feb. 28 at the historic Union League building in downtown Philadelphia, Pa., where Lt. Gen. William Troy, right, director of Army Staff at the Pentagon, was a featured guest speaker. (Courtesy photo)

...snip...

Organizers said the Feb. 28 event was aimed at raising awareness of the challenges, transitions and unique conditions today’s service members undergo. Haddad, who was medically discharged from the Army in 2010, said he didn’t do anything special to deserve the attention.

The story of why he was singled out by a community hundreds of miles from Fort Drum began late last year, when he received a call from a 10th Mountain Division (LI) buddy, “Kyle” – a combat engineer who was left with a broken back when a roadside bomb detonated under his vehicle in Afghanistan.

... Haddad then traveled to Walter Reed National Military Medical Center in Bethesda, Md., and drove his injured buddy three hours up the road to spend Christmas with the man’s family. “The worst time to be in the hospital is during a holiday season,” Haddad said. “What I didn’t know at the time was that (my friend) sent out a mass email telling people he had two disabled vets coming over for Christmas and that it would be nice if they had a few letters or presents.”

That email reached Marian L. Moran, president of the Philadelphia chapter of Blue Star Mothers. Haddad said, largely due to her efforts, some 100 gifts showed up for Christmas. “It was absolutely astounding,” he said. “We gave away a bunch of it because there was just too much.”

But the expressions of support did not end there. Soon after the holidays, Moran followed up with Haddad, discovering he was acting not only as a friend but also as a mentor to the injured Soldier – helping Kyle get back on his feet, explaining the Medical Evaluation Board process to him and just offering to help in any way he could.

“I guess she was very inspired and impressed,” Haddad said. “She said the story went along well with the theme of ‘From War to Home’ at her upcoming dinner (at the Union League).”

...snip...

[at the dinner] “When Kyle came in, I don’t think there was a dry eye in that whole place,” ...[Haddad] said of the young specialist, who was told by doctors in Bagram that he would never walk again. “They gave a brief synopsis of what had happened to him … and here he came walking up (unaided). No cane. No kind of assistance at all.”

Haddad said he believed the evening’s theme, “From War to Home,” was a topic that’s crucial for communities across America to understand and support.

“Yeah, we need to support the troops overseas,” he said. “But at the same time, when they come home, the war is not really over, and they still need support.

...snip...

After more than a decade of active duty, Haddad left the Army just over a year ago. He had been a ground surveillance systems operator when he severely injured his back and shoulder during Army Special Forces selection training at Fort Bragg, N.C., in 2005. He was re-classified as an interrogator and spent the last several years of active duty undergoing multiple surgeries.

...snip...

“Nate deserves some kind of award for the leadership he has shown in watching over his buddy,” she said. Melinda Roney, NEC’s Logistics Branch chief and Haddad’s supervisor, said she fully understands what kind of asset the former Soldier is to the Army. “Nathan is the type of employee that supervisors wish they had a dozen of,” Roney said. “He consistently works hard, is good-humored and always goes above and beyond without thinking twice.

“Giving 100 percent of himself comes naturally to Nate,” she added.

http://www.drum.army.mil/mountaineer/Article.aspx?ID=6283

[MeneMeneTekelUpharsin]

So, now it begins.

[grobdriver]

So, now it begins.

My very thoughts.
First, we see what the system does.
Then...

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