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Obama Asks Doctors to Help Deal With Guns
Weekly Standard ^ | 1/16/13 | Daniel Halper

Posted on 01/16/2013 9:49:53 AM PST by illiac

According to a background briefer provided by the White House, President Barack Obama is asking doctors to help deal with guns. Here's the relevant passage:

PRESERVE THE RIGHTS OF HEALTH CARE PROVIDERS TO PROTECT THEIR PATIENTS AND COMMUNITIES FROM GUN VIOLENCE: We should never ask doctors and other health care providers to turn a blind eye to the risks posed by guns in the wrong hands.

 Clarify that no federal law prevents health care providers from warning law enforcement authorities about threats of violence: Doctors and other mental health professionals play an important role in protecting the safety of their patients and the broader community by reporting direct and credible threats of violence to the authorities. But there is public confusion about whether federal law prohibits such reports about threats of violence. The Department of Health and Human Services is issuing a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits these reports in any way.

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KEYWORDS: banglist; beseeingyou; bigbrother; fascism; guncontrol; guns; healthcare; obama; obamacare; obamacareguns; obamagunpresser; palin; secondamendment; secretpolice; wwii
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Refuse to answer....
1 posted on 01/16/2013 9:49:59 AM PST by illiac
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To: illiac
Just tell the quacks that you have something way more dangerous to health than a gun.....

SUVs, but they are registered with the gov't and you have a license to use.

2 posted on 01/16/2013 9:54:43 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: illiac

That’s what I did years ago when asked by Dr. in CA. Said it didn’t have anything to do with my health, and I’ve been warning people about healthcare being used for gun control ever since. Guess now if you refuse to answer they will automaticaly put you down as crazy.


3 posted on 01/16/2013 9:54:43 AM PST by Rusty0604
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To: illiac

Doctor, what skeletons are in YOUR closet?


4 posted on 01/16/2013 9:55:31 AM PST by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: illiac

Of course. The health care system is now an agent of our government now. Why would this happen? They also are going to require all our records to be stored electronically...what could possibly go wrong?


5 posted on 01/16/2013 9:56:15 AM PST by ilgipper (Obama supporters are comprised of the uninformed & the ill-informed)
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To: illiac

No. That will be recorded, too.

There is only one option. Drs are now gov’t functionaries. Treat them as such...The State.


6 posted on 01/16/2013 9:56:39 AM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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To: Rusty0604
"they will automatically put you down as crazy."

That's the real problem with this approach. 0bamaCare will get conservatives labeled and reported.

It's time to be very nice to your vet.

7 posted on 01/16/2013 9:56:55 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: Rusty0604

They tried this sh*t back in the late 90s with Pediatricians, figuring little kids wouldn’t lie.

Backlash from parents was swift, speedy, and it stopped very quickly.

Hit them in their wallets as well. Find another doctor, and keep looking until you find one who is on our side, then network with other Gunnies to help the guy out and send business his way.

The other side has their networks, and we have ours.


8 posted on 01/16/2013 9:58:51 AM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Nachum

For the list.


9 posted on 01/16/2013 9:59:20 AM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: illiac

Many doctors won’t ask. Mine is so distraught over the Obamacare crap that he will make it a point NOT to ask. And many doctors are NRA members and hunters-shooters them selves.


10 posted on 01/16/2013 10:00:39 AM PST by Quickgun (I got here kicking,screaming and covered in someone else's blood. I can go out that way if I have to)
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To: NFHale

That’s a good plan, but I am seeing complaints from Doctors that they are being coerced out of private practice into becoming employees of hospitals and then under their rules.


11 posted on 01/16/2013 10:02:39 AM PST by Rusty0604
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To: illiac

This is about as relevant as, “Do you have incandescent light bulbs in your home?”

Why don’t they force them to ask something meaningful which might protect children. “Are you a pedophile?” Wait, that’s the next protected class...


12 posted on 01/16/2013 10:02:57 AM PST by TSgt (Infringe upon my 2nd Amendment rights and learn how to speed read at 3000 feet per second...)
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To: illiac

Just another answer to the question why can’t I find a Dr named Sam, or Bill, or Fred etc etc etc...

Rush pointed out the liability a Dr would have if it was ‘proved’ someone had visited him just prior to his going out and creating a scene.

So, if they don’t want all 12 barrels on the Fed on him he will have to err on the side of caution.
If you have the flu and say I feel terrible. If this doesn’t get better no telling what I will do.

Now it will be up to the Dr to analyze if you were bemoaning or suicidal or worse.......


13 posted on 01/16/2013 10:04:27 AM PST by xrmusn (6/98 "It is virtually impossible to clean the pond as long as the pigs are still crapping in it")
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To: illiac; All

Keep in mind that any doctor can report you as a danger and the sheriff will come by to collect your firearms.

You can’t even go to court to fight it.


14 posted on 01/16/2013 10:04:57 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

Thanks Army Air Corps

The list, Ping

Let me know if you would like to be on or off the ping list

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15 posted on 01/16/2013 10:06:24 AM PST by Nachum (Back on the Google blacklist- www.nachumlist.com)
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To: illiac
Clarify that no federal law prevents health care providers from warning law enforcement authorities about threats of violence: Doctors and other mental health

If you are a treasonous Islamonazi jihadist who openly makes statements about beheading the infidel, you are a protected class and even after you kill over a dozen men, women, and children, your murderous rampage will be blamed on a "difficult workplace".

And apologists in the government will say it would be even a BIGGER tragedy if the military were to lose some of its diversity in the name of tolerating Islamic supramcists.

16 posted on 01/16/2013 10:06:42 AM PST by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: illiac
Will this guy be listening to your answer in the next "exam" room over?


17 posted on 01/16/2013 10:07:01 AM PST by 444Flyer (We are experiencing the perfect storm.)
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To: illiac

“Refuse to answer....” “Ditto!” It’s none of their business.

“Amendment IV, US Constitution: The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable causes, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.”

I will ask the Doctor if he has a warrant.

Further, I will tell my RN wife that it is not her place nor responsibility to ask patients any questions about gun ownership, ammo storage, etc. She will defer to the Doctor to ask those questions. Therefore, she will not be held accountable for not having asked those questions when some nut-case goes off with a weapon.


18 posted on 01/16/2013 10:09:43 AM PST by Joe Marine 76 ("It's The Natural Born Citizenship, Stupid!")
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To: illiac
Citizen Informants:

In 1930's Germany, the new socialist government of Adolf Hitler (NAZI National Socialist Workers' Party) began indoctrinating children in the quasi-military organization, the Hitler Youth, to inform on their parents should they overhear discussions subversive to the policies of the Leader. As the noose was tightened, local community organizers were appointed to watch their neighbors and were told to report subversive comments to the bureaucrats above them. Neighbors informed on neighbors, some for reasons of patriotism or loyalty, some from fear. A modern inquisition ensued; a terror to free thought and expression. Increasingly harsh penalties were meted out to those who dared to dissent.

19 posted on 01/16/2013 10:10:55 AM PST by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: illiac

Play democrat just lie.


20 posted on 01/16/2013 10:12:14 AM PST by Vaduz
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To: Rusty0604

” Guess now if you refuse to answer they will automaticaly put you down as crazy.”

Why refuse to answer? Just tell them no guns.


21 posted on 01/16/2013 10:13:28 AM PST by babygene ( .)
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To: TSgt

I was in the hospital last year for an infection. When I was being released they asked me if I felt safe going back to my home environment. I told them I felt safer at home than in their hospital where they tried to give me drugs meant for a different patient. I expect I am now on “the list”.


22 posted on 01/16/2013 10:15:00 AM PST by shelterguy
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To: illiac

The appropriate thing to do is to refuse to answer, but you can always just say you don’t have any guns. That way they have asked you, you answered and there is nothing to report.


23 posted on 01/16/2013 10:15:16 AM PST by Castigar
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To: combat_boots
Drs are now gov’t functionaries. Treat them as such...The State.

The next step is to OUTLAW profit being made on all health care services - the thought of "for-profit organization" making money on saving lives is revolting to the left.

The true target here is to have all doctors working for - and being paid by - the Government.
25 posted on 01/16/2013 10:19:47 AM PST by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: illiac

since doctors and the medical profession are screwed with obamacare, I think that there will be fewer to inclined to go along with these fascist mandates.

bobo


26 posted on 01/16/2013 10:24:37 AM PST by bobo1 (the KDE plasma desktop is awesome!)
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To: illiac

Just. Say. NO.


27 posted on 01/16/2013 10:26:17 AM PST by CitizenM (Obama - The architect of the decline of the U.S.)
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To: Servant of the Cross

When will Americans stop someone who views our children as “collateral damage” in their quest for power?


28 posted on 01/16/2013 10:27:21 AM PST by MWestMom (Will Americans stop someone who views our children as "collateral damage" in their quest for power?)
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To: illiac

My 15 year old daughter was hospitalized for a few days before Christmas due to complications from her bone marrow disorder. (She is back to being stable and the problem has been resolved, et least for now.) One of the questions of the admitting nurse was “is your home safe?” The nurse seemed uncomfortable having to ask the question and I thought it was an odd sounding question. I wonder if it pertained to this issue. We are in for tough times ahead - thanks Obama voters/s


29 posted on 01/16/2013 10:31:14 AM PST by stonehouse01 (Equal rights for unborn women)
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To: NFHale

“Hit them in their wallets as well. Find another doctor,”

The doctors in our family belong to the NRA. Perhaps the NRA could have its own listing of doctors who are amenable to patriots. I’d certainly rather give my money to those doctors, rather than State doctors.

Freedom-loving Americans should set up as many networks as possible to divorce themselves from Washington D. C. Pres. Washington warned early Americans about “foreign entanglements.” At the present, we should extricate ourselves from federal entanglements as much as possible.


30 posted on 01/16/2013 10:32:34 AM PST by txrefugee
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To: illiac

Obama has converted the medical profession into a TSA in scrubs. Doctors should not be surprised when folks treat them with the same disdain as they have for the blue-shirted gov’t gropers and thieves.


31 posted on 01/16/2013 10:33:20 AM PST by Paine in the Neck (Socialism consumes everything)
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To: Castigar
Or just say "I don't reckon that's any of your damned business, is it?"
32 posted on 01/16/2013 10:36:53 AM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: illiac

He isn’t asking, he is telling doctors to do what he wants. They owe now or will regret not doing what he says... he pays them through obastardcare. He can cut them off or reward them now.


33 posted on 01/16/2013 10:36:53 AM PST by Sequoyah101
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To: illiac

We don’t ask about guns and are not compelled to. That’s not going to change. No time to do that.
Getting crazy people off the street is beyond our capacity to do as well.


34 posted on 01/16/2013 10:38:50 AM PST by arkfreepdom
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To: Rusty0604
“they will automatically put you down as crazy.”

As if that is anything new. My doctor already thinks I'm crazy but he is crazier so THERE!

If we want to start the crazy list we can start with the little dictator who thinks he is somehow going to make people do as he says. Fat chance in hell of that happening!

He can start with Chicago if he is serious about gun violence. Otherwise, he is just a political whore.

When his administration sold guns to CRIMINALS who killed innocent people (including a border agent) and he THINKS he is going to take guns (or anything else) away from LAW ABIDING CITIZENS?! Of course, we have NO ONE who will hold him accountable! I hate the press who are such p* they have chapped lips from kissing his *ss!

35 posted on 01/16/2013 10:39:45 AM PST by kcvl
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To: Paladin2

The worn out meme “If new gun laws save one life then it is worth it” is no different than “if the maximum speed limit everywhere is 25 mph and saves one life then it is worth it”.

The sheer stupidity of the nimrods proposing these new gun laws is unbelievable.


36 posted on 01/16/2013 10:39:45 AM PST by soycd
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To: Vaduz

I plan to rattle-off a long list of now prohibited semi-automatic weapons with large clips, and then give the home address of whatever Democrat hack politician strikes my fancy that day.


37 posted on 01/16/2013 10:39:52 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: illiac

But I thought they promised not to interfere with the sanctity of the doctor-patient relationship.


38 posted on 01/16/2013 10:40:02 AM PST by alancarp (Obama will grab your guns and ship them to Mexican drug mobs.)
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To: Nachum

OBayMe’s “White” Shirts reporting to the Gestapo, ya think?


39 posted on 01/16/2013 10:40:02 AM PST by ExTexasRedhead
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To: All

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2973699/posts

O’F**Kwad LIES ~!

It IS in the bill...........

Print it out and keep it with you or at least remember to funish a copy or 10 to your doctor (s).

No matter what zero tells Sillius what to do.


40 posted on 01/16/2013 10:40:54 AM PST by simplesimon (NEVER forget Benghazi ~!)
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To: illiac

Does anyone know if OBayMeCare has boxcars and wooden soap in it or a list of the camps that the physicians will remand one to? Perhaps Pelosi and Reid have a list in their office files, ya think?


41 posted on 01/16/2013 10:43:00 AM PST by ExTexasRedhead
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To: illiac

So when your doctor asks you “What do you think is causing your migraines?”

DO NOT SAY: “Every time I hear Obama open his yapper I get a sharp pain behind my eyes”

The doctor will help take away your guns and probably recommend a “Cranium-ectomy” (head amputation) for you...

Here is what you say instead: “Every time I happen to be by a radio and the Rush Limbaugh Show is playing on it I get a sever headache” (referring to when Rush is playing a Obama sound clip on the show not Rush himself, though you want the libbie doctor to think you are a “kindred liberal spirit” )

Either that or just shrug when they ask you....

Doctors are now part of the Gestapo, the Doc-Stapo!

Doc-Stapo.... Use it, it is the new term of Obamunism.


42 posted on 01/16/2013 10:43:00 AM PST by GraceG
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To: 444Flyer

At least this guy (in the movie) figured out he was wrong about what he was doing, and that the guy he was monitoring was living a better life than he was.


43 posted on 01/16/2013 10:48:15 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Rusty0604

Tell them no.


44 posted on 01/16/2013 10:48:15 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: illiac; bang_list
What do you do? What do you tell your doctor?!

Step 1: meet with your lawyer and set up a gun trust (either title 1 or title 2 NFA)

2: put all of your firearms on a schedule A or B within the trust.

3: When doc or any agent of the state ask if you own guns, legally and ethically you can say, "My wife and I do not personally own firearms". ( because the property is a trust asset)

45 posted on 01/16/2013 10:49:38 AM PST by DCBryan1 (Look for the UNION label.....then buy something else!)
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To: illiac

My standard answer will be:

Doctor: Do you have any guns in your house?

Me: Oh NO!! Guns are bad.

(Screw them)


46 posted on 01/16/2013 10:49:52 AM PST by A. Patriot (Re-electing Obama is like the Titanic backing up to hit the iceberg again.)
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To: Joe Marine 76

“I don’t discuss my personal security requirements with anyone but my family.”

And then promptly pull out a checklist and begin asking the doctor about his guns. Keep asking the questions until you see the light click on on their faces. Tell them you as a citizen of America need to make thoroughly certain that they, as a doctor, are in no position to “do no harm” to anyone, ever, as a doctor, or a person. Do not back down.


47 posted on 01/16/2013 10:51:57 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: illiac

Just wait till he offers rewards for neighbors turning in neighbors.

DO NOT PUT IT PAST THEM! WE ARE DEALING WITH A TYRANT!


48 posted on 01/16/2013 10:52:27 AM PST by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: Rusty0604
<> Yes. And if you lie, you will be charged with perjury. And if you say you have guns, you will be dropped from the healthcare pool because you are a danger to others or yourself. They won't have to touch the Second Amendment. Just make the penalty for owning guns impossible to pay. Tyranny is here.
49 posted on 01/16/2013 10:55:08 AM PST by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears (Hey Rush, you forgot to tell us when to panic.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

LOL! Your reply was awesome and too funny!!!

“I don’t discuss my personal security requirements with anyone but my family.”

That is really good! As is the rest of your recommendation.


50 posted on 01/16/2013 10:59:39 AM PST by Joe Marine 76 ("It's The Natural Born Citizenship, Stupid!")
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