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‘National database’ on gun sales part of Obama anti-gun game plan
Seattle Gun Rights Examiner ^ | 5 January, 2013 | Dave Workman

Posted on 01/06/2013 11:51:07 AM PST by marktwain

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To: Eye of Unk

No, just sell them to some hispanic drug gangsters, and you will be ok.


101 posted on 01/06/2013 6:42:54 PM PST by expat2
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To: Eye of Unk

The problem is not the states, but the counties. Almost every state has at least several counties which are red. I guess the red counties in say western PA could secede and join Ohio, making Ohio solidly red. Pretty soon, the big cities would become enclaves.


102 posted on 01/06/2013 6:53:51 PM PST by expat2
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To: cherokee1; All

“Guns have been nationally traceable to the first consumer sale since 1968. Unless there’s something else in this that is so far unstated it is just Obamuzzie giving more smoke enemas.”

It seems pretty clearly stated here:
“...track the movement and sale of weapons through a national database…”

Sounds like the outlawing of all private sales and establishment of a database of who legally owns weapons, essentialy the same as the failed Canadian gun registry.


103 posted on 01/06/2013 6:56:31 PM PST by marktwain
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To: Sarabaracuda

1. They don’t need an excuse. They have no respect for the Constitution, the law, or the safety of the average American that wants to defend themselves.

2. They will do it because they want absolute control and a citizenry that can be subjugated and not feared.

3. More people are killed each year in the US with knives and hammers than guns. Stop being deluded into thinking that all Americans must lose their right to protection because a small number of criminals misbehave. You are being fooled.

4. No criminal is EVER going to respect ANY gun law. Gun laws are only designed to control law abiding people.


104 posted on 01/06/2013 8:50:25 PM PST by CCGuy (USAF (Ret.))
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To: marktwain

Yes, and there is no evidence that even a single crime was prevented because of the multi-billion gun registry (which would likely be 20 times as costly in the US). The Canadian gun registry was born out of an incident in Quebec where a crazy old coot killed a police officer who came to his house on an investigation. The police knew he had guns but failed to take the proper precautions. Ignoring the facts, the governing Liberal party and the usual gaggle of leftist organizations used this as the rallying cry for the registration of all guns.

The reason that a gun registry does not work is two-fold. First, there are many people even in Canada who refused to register their guns, so reliance on the gun registry would give police officers a false sense of security. The police should always approach a situation on the assumption that one or more individuals may be armed. Second, it raises the risk of an excessive police response to what would otherwise be a routine call. If the police know you have a registered weapon, are they going to come to a noisy party complaint with their guns drawn? There was a tragedy in Canada some years ago (prior to the gun registry) where the police attempted a raid on a house which they believed contained weapons. They approached the house in the dark, wearing dark clothing, in an assault formation. The owner looked out and saw shadowy figures approaching his house, clearly armed, so he took out his own gun and went out on his front step to defend his property. He was shot and killed by the police. The problem? The police were at the wrong house. They should have been next door. If the police start using the ownership of guns as a pretence to treat the homeowner as a presumptive dangerous criminal, you will see more of this kind of incident.


105 posted on 01/07/2013 5:21:46 AM PST by littleharbour
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To: littleharbour

And yes, the American police have killed innocent people who attempted to defend themselves when police approached their home, in the middle of the night, and attempted to gain entry without identifying themselves as police officers. This is from July 2012:

http://freedomoutpost.com/2012/07/police-kill-man-at-wrong-house-for-opening-door-with-gun/


106 posted on 01/07/2013 5:26:28 AM PST by littleharbour
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To: Paladin2

“Why the long-gun registry doesn’t work — and never did”
http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2012/12/11/gary-mauser-why-the-long-gun-registry-doesnt-work-and-never-did/

my guess would be most here will ignore their registration demands...Canadians did.

OTOH, our gubmint is likely more tyrannical than theirs, so maybe Bronco will offer free Obamaphones for those who turn in their neighbors and relatives.


107 posted on 01/07/2013 5:56:44 AM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

IMHO, If the people on spending sprees spent 1/10th of what they’re now spending on guns on ammo on conservative candidate’s campaigns 6 months ago, we’d own the House and Senate.


108 posted on 01/07/2013 6:04:05 AM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: Eye of Unk
10 posted on Sun Jan 06 2013 14:04:14 GMT-0600 (Central Standard Time) by Eye of Unk: “Michelle will organize her Youth Corps to ferret out which homes have guns.”

That might work in upscale New York suburbs like Sandy Hook.

In my upscale Missouri neighborhood, my neighbor on one side is the senior partner of our region's largest law firm. My neighbor on the other side is a retired colonel. Across the street is a retired senior enlisted soldier married to a retired senior enlisted Marine. A little ways down is a retired sergeant major working for a major international defense contractor. Up the street is the owner of our county's second-largest bank. On a side street, there's a Missouri National Guard recruiter and another senior bank official, plus a retired upper-level GS civilian. And I'm not saying anything about the active duty military personnel who are generally O-5 or O-8 and above, or people who held those ranks before retirement and now work as senior GS civilians.

It would be easier to figure out how many people in my neighborhood don't have guns in their homes than who do have guns.

The percentage would be even higher in the trailer court a mile away from my house, or the rural areas five miles away, especially since it could easily take 20 to 30 minutes for the one or two sheriff's deputies on duty to get to a 911 call reporting a home invasion.

Gun-grabbers are crazy if they think they're going to win this battle outside the major cities and their suburbs.

109 posted on 01/07/2013 6:17:10 AM PST by darrellmaurina
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To: Eye of Unk
Bad typo. I meant to say “generally O-5 or E-8 and above.”

I'm quite aware that O-8 would be a general officer. We have no generals in our neighborhood, but we do have a number of retired master sergeants and CSMs.

110 posted on 01/07/2013 6:31:06 AM PST by darrellmaurina
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To: jivin gene
A cattle prod to the gonads can work on the most recalcitrant herd animal.

People are pissed off out here in fly-over Country. The Washington DC power players club keeps prodding and eventually they are gonna hit a tender spot and set off a stampede.

111 posted on 01/07/2013 6:57:50 AM PST by Dead Corpse (Sine ullo desiderio vive et ama.... Carpe diem.)
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To: Feline_AIDS

My fear is ‘he’ will do it by fiat (executive order), and thereby alleviate any congressmen any anguish on facing voters during the next election cycle.


112 posted on 01/07/2013 8:21:09 AM PST by Verbosus (/* No Comment */)
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To: WVNan
No no, you don’t need your own database. You need to find all the ones that exist and destroy them.

I have a better idea. Find some patriots who have access to the databases and just change all the info.

113 posted on 01/07/2013 8:33:21 AM PST by USAF80
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To: Sarabaracuda; JRandomFreeper
They did not live in a representative democracy. We do.

What does that statement have anything to do with the debate over unconstitutional gun control?

Our current (and past) representative democracy consists of 535 inept, incompetent, bumbling fools, led by a radical socialist commie pig 0dumb0, and 6 doddering fools out of 9 on USSC. Our Declaration of Independence gives us the RIGHT, "That whenever any form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish it and to institute new Government...." We are very quickl approaching that tipping point, and I agree with JRandomFreeper that I will not bow down or kneel before a socialist/commie/fascist unlawful gubmint. Most of what the gubmint & 0dumb0 already do is unlawful & unconstitutional.

114 posted on 01/07/2013 8:35:12 AM PST by rcrngroup
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To: marktwain

Registration is a necessary first step to confiscation.

Amazing how few Fed’s would defend the Constitution.

But I guess unrestrained Imperial POWER is a pretty heady thing.


115 posted on 01/07/2013 9:02:31 AM PST by LucianOfSamasota (Tanstaafl - its not just for breakfast anymore...)
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To: rcrngroup

They had exhausted all peaceful means to reclaim their rights. We have not. We still have the political process, boycotts, and civil disobedience. How many of you with itchy trigger fingers have ever really try any of those peaceful means?


116 posted on 01/07/2013 6:55:28 PM PST by Sarabaracuda (Keep guns out of the hands of lunatics or the government will keep guns out of your hands.)
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To: Verbosus

If he does, it is time for impeachment proceedings to begin.


117 posted on 01/07/2013 7:06:18 PM PST by Sarabaracuda (Keep guns out of the hands of lunatics or the government will keep guns out of your hands.)
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To: CCGuy
1. They absolutely would love for extremists on the right to start shooting. They would rally around such an event in order to strip us of even more rights just as they rally around Sandy Hook to encroach on our gun rights.
2. And some on the right are determined to give them the justification to do just that.
3.&4. I know exactly what they are doing, and I will be damned if I will let them or nuts on the right do it.
118 posted on 01/07/2013 7:26:00 PM PST by Sarabaracuda (Keep guns out of the hands of lunatics or the government will keep guns out of your hands.)
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To: Sarabaracuda

They are already doing it. It is just like Obamacare, they will do it because they feel they can. There could not be a single more shooting and they will still do it.


119 posted on 01/07/2013 8:10:56 PM PST by CCGuy (USAF (Ret.))
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To: marktwain

bttt


120 posted on 01/07/2013 8:13:16 PM PST by First_Salute (May God save our democratic-republican government, from a government by judiciary.)
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