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‘National database’ on gun sales part of Obama anti-gun game plan
Seattle Gun Rights Examiner ^ | 5 January, 2013 | Dave Workman

Posted on 01/06/2013 11:51:07 AM PST by marktwain

The Washington Post is reporting that President Barack Obama is preparing to pull out all the stops in pushing his anti-gun agenda in what the newspaper calls “a far broader and more comprehensive approach” than the Clinton-era ban on semi-autos.

That ban expired in 2004 after a ten-year lifespan. Passage of the measure cost Democrats control of Congress in November 1994.

The moves will be sold as an effort to curb “gun violence,” but it appears there is much more in the president’s plan, including what the Post calls “measures backed by key law enforcement leaders that would require universal background checks for firearm buyers (and) track the movement and sale of weapons through a national database…”

“National database” just might sound like “national gun registration” to some firearms activists. The concept is almost certain to be toxic to the firearms community. Fear of impending gun restrictions has fueled a buying rush across the nation, and is reportedly swelling the ranks of gun rights organizations with thousands of new memberships.

(Excerpt) Read more at examiner.com ...


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Gun Registration is Gun Confiscation
1 posted on 01/06/2013 11:51:14 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain
I just won't comply. Period.

They can only kill me once.

/johnny

2 posted on 01/06/2013 11:54:55 AM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: marktwain
This has proved a popular article. It is old, but good. It was written in 2000, but is valid today:

Gun Registration is Gun Confiscation

http://gunwatch.blogspot.com/2012/12/gun-registration-is-gun-confiscation.html

3 posted on 01/06/2013 11:54:55 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Is this the “database heard ‘round the world”?


4 posted on 01/06/2013 11:55:58 AM PST by VRW Conspirator (Sometimes it takes calamity to lead to serenity - FReeper RacerX1128)
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To: marktwain

So does this mean with this “Database” that Obama can finally track down all the guns he gave to those drug cartels in Mexico..Id really like to know what happened to all of those Fast and Furious guns he handed out to drug pushers


5 posted on 01/06/2013 11:58:50 AM PST by Sarah Barracuda
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To: marktwain

Wouldn’t the house have to pass this, too?

Could they not just vote it down?


6 posted on 01/06/2013 11:59:18 AM PST by Feline_AIDS (A gun in hand is better than a cop on the phone.)
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To: Sarah Barracuda

Thank you.


7 posted on 01/06/2013 12:00:01 PM PST by OKSooner ("The grace of the Lord Jesus be with God's people. Amen." - Revelation 22:21)
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To: Feline_AIDS

Don’t think obozo is above just enacting it by dictatorial fiat - aka Executive Order. It’s game on then... I will not comply, I will defend the Constitution of the United States.


8 posted on 01/06/2013 12:02:24 PM PST by ThunderSleeps (Stop obama now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: JRandomFreeper
I'm old, I smoke...
I can still serve as an example though.
9 posted on 01/06/2013 12:04:10 PM PST by 45semi (A police state is always preceded by a nanny state...)
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To: marktwain

And new debit cards will be issued with more funding behind them for those that snitch on their gun owning neighbors.

Michelle will organize her Youth Corps to ferret out which homes have guns.

Shooting ranges will have extensive video recordings, any place that offers parts ammo and firearms will have Echelon tracking the purchases.


10 posted on 01/06/2013 12:04:14 PM PST by Eye of Unk (A Civil Cold War in America is here, its already been declared.)
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To: marktwain

We already have gun control - it is called the 2nd Amendment!


11 posted on 01/06/2013 12:06:30 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: marktwain

Doesn’t current legislation disallow the creation of such a database?

The Boy who would be King is treading on dangerous ground.


12 posted on 01/06/2013 12:07:03 PM PST by Dead Corpse (Sine ullo desiderio vive et ama.... Carpe diem.)
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To: marktwain

Just what Americans DON’T need. Another database loaded with their personal information for the hackers to hack.


13 posted on 01/06/2013 12:07:03 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Where can I pick up a 2013 Mayan calendar?)
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To: marktwain

THIS MUST FAIL!!!!!


14 posted on 01/06/2013 12:07:29 PM PST by boomop1 (term limits will only save this country.)
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

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15 posted on 01/06/2013 12:08:23 PM PST by Nachum (The List is off the Google blacklist- www.nachumlist.com)
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To: ThunderSleeps

Congress can kill an executive oder with a 2/3 vote. House can also deny any funding to set up any such system. I don’t think he will get away with it.


16 posted on 01/06/2013 12:09:29 PM PST by beelzepug ("Why bother creating wealth when you can just redistribute it?")
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To: Dead Corpse
Doesn’t current legislation disallow the creation of such a database?

Yes, I believe so.

17 posted on 01/06/2013 12:11:16 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: marktwain

Why? I mean, what does this have to do with what sparked the idiotic overreaction? And what do they imagine will happen, aside from law abiding citizens creating more paperwork?

They are like a magic 8 ball with one answer floating inside. Whatdwe do about mass child shooting? “More power.” What about “hurricane” Sandy? “More power.” What about the “fiscal cliff”? “More power.” The debt ceiling? “More power.”


18 posted on 01/06/2013 12:11:46 PM PST by Tublecane
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To: marktwain

Our government doesn’t treat al Queda this way.


19 posted on 01/06/2013 12:12:05 PM PST by Tzimisce (The American Revolution began when the British attempted to disarm the Colonists.)
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To: Eye of Unk

I was at my local gun shop yesterday. There was a line of three gentlemen ahead of me and another guy walking around the store. He never brought anything to the counter and seemed to be “hanging out.”
The reason he made me nervous is a friend was buying 10 round Ruger mags and I said I didn’t need any since I had 20s. His ears perked up like he was taking note of what I said, so I quickly added “pre-ban, of course.”
I will be more careful what I say around strangers from now on.


20 posted on 01/06/2013 12:16:42 PM PST by ez (When you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail.)
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To: marktwain

Just, out of curiosity, if registered gun owners reported their guns ‘stolen’ would they remain in the system as a gun owner?


21 posted on 01/06/2013 12:21:54 PM PST by RetSignman ("A Republic if you can keep it"....)
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To: Eye of Unk

sin the socialist republik of illiinois there are several bill pending to shut down gun ranges and other goo stuff. sonn to be a gun free state. . a mini england. knives are next.


22 posted on 01/06/2013 12:27:57 PM PST by 1st Division guy
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To: Eye of Unk

in the socialist republik of illiinois there are several bills pending to shut down gun ranges and other good stuff. soon to be a gun free state. . a mini england. knives are next.


23 posted on 01/06/2013 12:28:53 PM PST by 1st Division guy
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To: ez

Most likely a loner that is collecting a couple hundred or even several thousand license plate numbers hoping for a payday, or IRS exemptions, maybe a citizenship.

Just gathering info until the time that info is worth gold.


24 posted on 01/06/2013 12:30:01 PM PST by Eye of Unk (A Civil Cold War in America is here, its already been declared.)
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To: marktwain

Canada apparently gave up on their database.


25 posted on 01/06/2013 12:30:39 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: JRandomFreeper

Isn’t a federal background check already required on all non-private gun purchases? Don’t gun dealers already keep records of who purchased what? If so, the government certainly knows who has had a background check. That might not tell them exactly what a person owns, but it implies who is and isn’t buying guns. Also, couldn’t they pass a law requiring gun dealers to turn over their records? If so, the only guns off the books would be ones that are sold between private owners.


26 posted on 01/06/2013 12:37:53 PM PST by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
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To: RetSignman

Most likely, and your credit card will be examined periodically and compared to red flagged ammo purchases and etc.

You could build a replica even down to the serial number or do some Youtube editing magic and show a video recording of you taking a cutting torch to your guns, in effect you are destroying them as a favor to save tax payers dollars.


27 posted on 01/06/2013 12:38:24 PM PST by Eye of Unk (A Civil Cold War in America is here, its already been declared.)
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To: Sarah Barracuda
Has Fast & Furious been forgotten?The spineless Repub leadership in both houses needs to say, in both houses everyday:

"The obama administration, the same one that gave thousands of so called "assault weapons" to bloodthirsty Mexican drug cartel killers, MS 13 and Chicago gangs and armed al queda in the Mideast with real assault weapons, RPGs and manpads wants to confiscate AR 15s and similar firearms from law abiding Americans.

Bring it on mr PRESidENT!"

28 posted on 01/06/2013 12:40:58 PM PST by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: Eye of Unk

Throw a gun destruction party, invite all your neighbors, get as many sworn witnesses as possible. But beforehand take edited shots of actual guns being torched or shredded, leave nothing that can be reconstructed, use replicas.

Burn safe queens of dubious value, get plenty of replica ARs in the mix, get an expert to film everything, post it on the web.


29 posted on 01/06/2013 12:42:51 PM PST by Eye of Unk (A Civil Cold War in America is here, its already been declared.)
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To: Paladin2
"In 2001, all gun owners were required to have a licence and, by 2003, to register all of their rifles and shotguns.

Not everyone complied. An estimated 65% of firearms owners registered at least one rifle or shotgun, and no more than half of all long guns ended up in the registry. Opposition was intense and has never abated. Grassroots anger helped to fuel the rise of the Reform Party, and contributed to the elimination of the Liberals as a political force in the West. Despite their mutual antagonism, three opposition parties (Reform, Progressive Conservative and New Democrat) united against the legislation. Only the Bloc Québécois voted with the Liberals.

In 2002, the auditor-general revealed that the Firearms Centre had grown out of control. Despite political promises that the program would not cost over $2-million, costs were expected to exceed $1-billion by 2005. By 2012, this had ballooned to $2.7-billion. The auditor-general uncovered irregularities including mismanagement and corruption. Her findings stimulated a parliamentary revolt. In 2003, Parliament imposed an annual spending cap.

The auditors’ reports led to RCMP investigations of Liberal insiders and contributed to the fall of the Liberal government in 2006."

30 posted on 01/06/2013 12:43:53 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: marktwain
Registration/confiscation will result in:


31 posted on 01/06/2013 12:46:23 PM PST by DTogo (High time to bring back The Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: marktwain

32 posted on 01/06/2013 12:46:35 PM PST by mkleesma (`Call to me, and I will answer you and tell you great and unsearchable things you do not know.')
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To: Dead Corpse
Here it is. The law that prohibits Obama from creating a gun database:




Firearm Registration is prohibited by law

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics/reports/20130102_1998_2012_state_program_to_date_purpose_ids.pdf

33 posted on 01/06/2013 12:48:15 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Eagles6

Unfortunately the majority of the evil Obama has done has been forgotten..Obama has gotten away with murder repeatedly and doesn’t have to explain ANY of it..Fast and Furious, Benghazi, he has to answer for nothing which is despicable but since he has 90 percent of the media in the tank for him he can do whatever he pleases..he wants to go after guns, he won’t get away with it, he wants a civil war its ON


34 posted on 01/06/2013 12:49:48 PM PST by Sarah Barracuda
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To: Paladin2
"A sixth claim is that the data in the long-gun registry are too valuable to be destroyed.

Unfortunately, the many errors and omissions in the registry vitiate its utility. The RCMP testified to the auditor-general that they could not rely on it in court. Recent information shows that many errors remain despite the best efforts of the Canadian Firearms Program.

Immense problems similarly have been reported concerning the accuracy of the South African firearms registry and the now-abandoned New Zealand long-gun registry.

The RCMP has reported error rates between 43% and 90% in firearms applications and registry information. "

35 posted on 01/06/2013 12:49:48 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: mkleesma

A political entity where only the police have guns is, by definition, a Police State.


36 posted on 01/06/2013 12:51:27 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: marktwain

We need our own database. Many have lists. We need to prioritize and focus.


37 posted on 01/06/2013 12:56:09 PM PST by APatientMan (Pick a side)
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To: marktwain

The moment any anti-gunner suggest that there be some reasonable compromise, offer them this:

We will compromise by agreeing that every firearm transfer be subject to a check to verify that the buyer is legally qualified.

They will compromise in that the qualification process will not involve disclosing to the verifying agency any information about the actual firearm purchased, or even that a purchase actually occurred.

This means simply that unqualified buyers are in a database by their drivers license and other info, and anyone can call in to the 800 number or website, enter a buyer’s driver’s license number and name, and see if they’re allowed to purchase.

It’s nothing more than “carding” to show age qualification at the liquor store.

If you find the first part reprehensible, I understand and agree, but you can be sure that the anti gunners would never go for this, and the fact that they won’t proves that a confiscation-enabling database is their goal.


38 posted on 01/06/2013 12:58:49 PM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Hold My Beer and Watch This!)
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To: Red Steel

Their was another law requiring the POTUS to be a Natural Born Citizen and the courts are all ignoring that one, they will do the same with this one.

Secession and restriction of goods movement to blue states.

Starve em out.


39 posted on 01/06/2013 1:04:20 PM PST by Eye of Unk (A Civil Cold War in America is here, its already been declared.)
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To: Red Steel

Bookmark - thanks for posting!


40 posted on 01/06/2013 1:16:21 PM PST by EdReform (Oath Keepers - Guardians of the Republic - Honor your oath - Join us: www.oathkeepers.org)
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To: Tublecane

“The issue is never the real issue - the real issue is always the Revolution. The cause is never the real cause - the real cause is always the acquisition of power.”

David Horowitz, quoting an unknown 60’s radical.


41 posted on 01/06/2013 1:17:01 PM PST by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: Eye of Unk

>>Throw a gun destruction party, invite all your neighbors, get as many sworn witnesses as possible. But beforehand take edited shots of actual guns being torched or shredded, leave nothing that can be reconstructed, use replicas.<<

Oh for crying out loud! A fake gun destruction party?

You are kidding around...right? I’m not trying to be disrespectful, but isn’t it just a bit naive to think anyone would fall for that sort of nonsense?


42 posted on 01/06/2013 1:20:21 PM PST by servantboy777
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To: Sarah Barracuda

I agree, that is what he wants.


43 posted on 01/06/2013 1:20:21 PM PST by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: VRW Conspirator

I think it will be the ‘political backfire’ heard ‘round the world.


44 posted on 01/06/2013 1:21:52 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: RetSignman; All
Just, out of curiosity, if registered gun owners reported their guns ‘stolen’ would they remain in the system as a gun owner?

Of course they would remain in the system. What do you think the reason is for mandatory reporting of stolen guns!

The idea is that if you report a gun stolen, and they search your house and come up with it, you can be prosecuted for obstruction of justice.

The idea is to have all legitimate weapons under the control of the State. They do not care that much about guns that are illegal. In a couple of generations, those will be no problem, because the gun culture will have been destroyed, and guns are of little use if you do not have the will to use them, or the conviction that the right to keep and carry them is your God given right, protected by the Constitution.

45 posted on 01/06/2013 1:23:51 PM PST by marktwain
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To: Eye of Unk
If your state has gun shows and doesn`t require checks for private sales, just rent a table at the next one. Sell any junk you may have or just use it as a garage sale but keep the receipt as it is “proof” of where you “sold” your known purchases and when.
46 posted on 01/06/2013 1:28:40 PM PST by nomad
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To: RetSignman

Refer to post #46.


47 posted on 01/06/2013 1:32:25 PM PST by nomad
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To: servantboy777

Please refer to post # 46.


48 posted on 01/06/2013 1:33:58 PM PST by nomad
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To: Eye of Unk

Please refer to post # 46.


49 posted on 01/06/2013 1:37:35 PM PST by nomad
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To: marktwain

If I needed additional guns under those circumstances, I would just buy the parts and assemble (modify) them myself.


50 posted on 01/06/2013 1:38:31 PM PST by Positive (Nothing is sadder than to see a beautiful theory murdered by a gang of brutal facts.)
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