the Rubicon is in sight...
Posted on 01/05/2013 3:46:46 PM PST by kristinn
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A working group led by Vice President Biden is seriously considering measures backed by key law enforcement leaders that would require universal background checks for firearm buyers, track the movement and sale of weapons through a national database, strengthen mental health checks, and stiffen penalties for carrying guns near schools or giving them to minors, the sources said.
To sell such changes, the White House is developing strategies to work around the National Rifle Association that one source said could include rallying support from Wal-Mart and other gun retailers for measures that would benefit their businesses. White House aides have also been in regular contact with advisers to New York Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg (I), an outspoken gun-control advocate who could emerge as a powerful surrogate for the Obama administration’s agenda.
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In addition to potential legislative proposals, Biden’s group has expanded its focus to include measures that would not need congressional approval and could be quickly implemented by executive action, according to interest-group leaders who have discussed options with Biden and key Cabinet secretaries. Possibilities include changes to federal mental-health programs and modernization of gun-tracking efforts by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.
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Obama’s advisers have calculated that the longer they wait, the more distance there is from the Newtown massacre and the greater the risk that the bipartisan political will to tackle gun violence will dissipate.
“This is not something that I will be putting off,” Obama said on NBC’s “Meet the Press” in an interview broadcast last Sunday.
At the White House meeting, Stanek said, “the vice president indicated that there was a very short timeline for him to get back to the president with his recommendations because the American public has a short memory.”
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Sounds like they are afraid all will collapse around them and they will end up with no loaf.
Republicans better cut the legs off this toute de suite.
FU** YOU BARACK OBAMA.
Cheap shill for a socialist regime and hater of American people.
>> that would require universal background checks for firearm buyers,
Everyone must pay an FFL dealer $150+ to sell, trade, or give a gun to another citizen
>>track the movement and sale of weapons through a national database,
Full Registration!! Then, “turn em in, Mr and Mrs America.”
>>strengthen mental health checks,
An expensive psych eval (not covered by ObamaCare, of course) to buy and keep your guns
>>and stiffen penalties for carrying guns near schools or giving them to minors
How much stiffer do they need to be? Summary execution at dawn? People that shoot up schools do not follow laws.
“...the American public has a short memory.”
Sure they do. Look at the results of the election.
DON’T FALL FOR IT! This bill will have everything in it that the anti-gunners have wanted for the last 50 years!
It has always been about handguns. Assault rifles are just a decoy to try and get their anti-gun foot in the door.
Once they get a ban on AWs then they will use the same reasons to go after handguns.
John Kennedy killed with a 5 shot bolt action rifle.
Bobby Kennedy with a .22 Iver Johnson Cadet revolver.
George Wallace wounded with a 5 shot Charter Arms .38spl revolver.
Gerald Ford attacked with a 7 shot 1911 semi auto.
Edmond OK post office with two National Guard 7 shot 1911 pistols.
Ronald Reagan and Jim Brady with an RG-14 .22 revolver.
What do they all have in common? NONE over 7 rounds, yet after each one came a cry of panic to ban them.
Don’t fall for their claims of “moderation”.
I get the impression it already is. Outside of the media’s “active measures” (which seem to be getting increasingly desperate to fan any remaining flames) , I’m really not seeing any lasting squawking about gun control among people.
the Rubicon is in sight...
May I suggest to Obama and the democrats a “solution”...
Make it worthwhile for each American to stay away from guns, by paying each and every person at least $200/year, for each member of the household.
Americans get bribed for a lot of other things anyway, so, this can’t be that much more egregious.
And what’s $200 per person anyway? It’s just peanuts in comparison to the other giveaway programs that Obama and the democrats have used in the last 4 years.
Along with the free stuff that is already being used, the free gun money will probably cost less than the free “Obamafoan” program.
Oh wow ... guys who are suicidal (and terrorists) who want to make a statement before they die by killing all the sitting duck kids in gun-free zones are going to be SO deterred by this .... /S (what IDIOTS!!!!)
If the GOP controlled house folds on this, the republic is done.
Just more penalties the prosecutors give away during plea negotiations. There are mandatory add ons for criminal use of guns in almost all jurisdictions and it seems they are hardly ever used.
Don't want to let the sheeple know Dear Leader has raised taxes!
How about mandatory prison for politicians that send assault rifles to the Mexican drug cartels?
Post the bills here. The bills are written on government time and government money. If any gun control vote happens in the House, post every name, every yea and nay vote. Avoid paying attention to the cult of celebrity propaganda. Obama cannot be a dictator, and Boehner is not the only Republican voting in the House.
The “White House” can “weigh” all it wants. Anti-Second-Amendment bills won’t get the votes, unless those few fascist constituents behind the bills want even less private spending and revenues (default sooner). They will realize sooner or later, that about 2/3rds of our nation—from every class and demographic—is already nonpolitical because of too many violations of constitutional freedoms so far.
For every anti gun measure the democrats try, we need a pro gun measure that would ease existing restrictions on guns.
The GOP has to stop playing defense and press the attack once in a while.
I found that comment to be very creepy.
Ever since 9/12/2001, I’ve been saying we’ve got more to worry about from the US government than any terrorists.
I wonder if anyone believes me yet? Or does everyone still think I’m a kook?
Sure, whatever. I’m a Losertarian KOOK who thinks the US government would like to go after guns and has no interest in protecting the American sheeple, er, people. I must just Hate America First!
Oh well, let me say standard FREEper things:
I am in FEAR of ISLAM! Muslims hide behind every door looking to take my guns away!!!!!
SAVE ME UNCLE SAM!!!! SAVE ME! BE MY POLITICAL MESSIAH!!
“>>and stiffen penalties for carrying guns near schools or giving them to minors
How much stiffer do they need to be? Summary execution at dawn? People that shoot up schools do not follow laws.”
Its very difficult to drive anywhere and not come within 1000 feet of a school. That law is impossible to comply with which is their intent.
The part of giving firearms to minors probably means they want to make it illegal to let your minor shoot a gun.
The Republic IS done, regardless.
“...the White House is developing strategies to work around the National Rifle Association that one source said could include rallying support from Wal-Mart and other gun retailers for measures that would benefit their businesses...”
How typical of a crminal regime: threatening extortion against businesses!
Sandy Hook was perfect. Too perfect for my take. I don’t think we know what happened. There have to be tapes, 911 calls with gunfire that documents whether the shots fired were from handguns or a rifle(s). Teachers’ stories have not come out. Nor the kids who might have been looking out the windows and seeing who was coming or going. The guy in camo/gear of some kind in the woods.
Dec 14th marks the death of George Washington. With teams of the IRGC/al Quds/AQ/cartels in this country right now, how better to get back at the US. Where was that Malik Shabazz guy or one of his ilk? Most of those killed were White.
Jarrett said payback. 0bama said revenge. They meant it. Besides, this event got Benghazi out of the discussion....and that leads straight to the Oval Office—which they know very well.
I have no idea why people are getting so worked up about this. unless king barack issues another one of his rotal decrees, he hasn’t got the votes in the house. whatever mr. 51% is thinking, he can’t get it passed. not democratically, anyway.
Good. Let them focus on this and waste their political capital.
Time for gun owners to march on Washington, preferably wearing Gadsden flags.
The man is a dictator, he don’t need no stinkin’ votes.
Hollywood took cigarettes out of movies and TV to keep viewers from mimicking the behavior. And it worked! Smoking has decreased in a big way.
We don’t need gun control. We need Hollywood control.
Each of these shooters lately were insane, and at least two had some Satanist leanings. I would not put it past the government at all to make these people useful (albeit insane) idiots.
I thought the “republic was done” if ObamaCare became law?
I thought the “republic was done” if Obama won a second term?
Not trying to be a wet blanket, but we keeping moving that line in the sand. He's gotten everything else he's wanted; why should this be any different. I have no faith in the House...look who they reelected as Speaker.
We were “done” a long time ago.
Time to stand up. If we do not. All is over.
Need I say more?
Wow - they can clamp down on guns and gun owners like this?
You’d think they could come up with ways to find out who’s coming over our border (and stop it.)
You’d think they could ferret out possible terrorists and terror cells (and shut them down.)
You’d think they could stamp out illegal drugs and their use.
But no - that would an unlawful violation of Constitutionally protected civil rights of junkies, illegal aliens and terrorists who want to kill us....
Lyudmila Pavlichenko, eg
“How about mandatory prison for politicians that send assault rifles to the Mexican drug cartels?”
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I’d recommend flogging and hanging.
I started to to get pissed reading your comment.
Then I thought about it.
I hate to burst the bubble of the recreational drug users up on Capitol Hill in Washington but how would have any of this stopped their Newtown dream from happening?
Then I thought about it.”
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I haven't lost faith in “us”, just the POS Republican Establishment. Oh, and BTW, FU Paul Ryan! I still can't believe this wormy POS voted on that budget to raise taxes on our fellow Americans!
Yep!
not only repeal 1968 and 1934 acts, propose to fingerprint, photograph and do background check of citizenship for every person registered or registering to vote penalty for perjury immediate jail time. also charge same fee $200 to register to vote and $200 to update your address everyone votes on the same day. for each military vote that doesnt reach the polls in time a $100,000 penalty against the state... one right is as good as another I’m tired of these illegal assault voters being bused in in high capacity groups and killing our electoral system...
Any gun controls bills, BTW, should be answered with more pro-Second-Amendment bills—bills that add to freedoms for all classes, demographics, etc. (votes for the future).
Well then, her Christmas present won't be much fun, will it?
“track the movement and sale of weapons through a national database”
We can count on the government to do that. They did a bang up job on their Fast and Furious debacle.
I got a better idea, why don’t we just put the names and addresses of every criminal that owns a registered gun or has a concealed carry permit in the newspaper, so we will know where they are?
Opps, I forgot, criminals don’t register their firearms or apply for concealed carry.
Maybe I should write my congresscritter and Turban (dirtbag) Durbin and tell him that. He probably didn’t think of it.
bobo
That's pretty much evidence that this was a preplanned event that apparently also involved Joe Biden ~ because it's Menino citing Biden in this statement.
Now Biden is a fairly thuggish guy but he's not so stupid as to tell a self-incriminating story AFTER the fact that is so at odds with what seems to have happened.
Time to begin investigating Joe Biden's involvement in the killings!
time to lock and load.
“I wonder if anyone believes me yet?”
I believe you!
bobo
"You'll put your eye out!"
2012 was a good year for democrats and “Sandys”
Sandra Fluke, Hurricane Sandy, Sandy Hook.
That isn’t the point.
Additional “controls” make it look like the gub’mint is “doing something” and, simultaneously increases its power.
Its a win/win for the Federales.
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