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Press release email from Sen Ron Johnson WI | 1/3/2013 | Sen Ron Johnson (WI -R)

Posted on 01/03/2013 10:08:50 AM PST by ADSUM

As frustrated as you are with Washington, D.C. right now...

Multiply it by 1,000 and you'll know how I feel.

Washington is broke and broken. What passes for problem-solving in the United States Senate has shattered the trust of the American people.

Our nation is facing monumental financial problems that the career politicians from both political parties created over many decades...and now they're busy squabbling and finger-pointing instead of recognizing our problems and buckling down to the hard work of fixing them.

Clever sound bites take the place of ideas. Petty partisan attacks take the place of leadership. Brinkmanship - Washington's version of playing chicken - takes the place of honest discussion. I had a business for 31 years and I have to tell you, Washington is the most un-businesslike place on earth.

I can't imagine having to operate my Oshkosh manufacturing company, PACUR, without a budget, nor can I imagine operating my family household without a budget...and I'm sure you can't either. But that is how Washington operates our country - the single largest financial entity in the world!!

Washington, D.C. is 700 miles away from Oshkosh and it's a million miles away from reality!!

I guess we could just give up - and wash our hands of the whole mess. But where would that leave our nation - our future? I don't mind telling you that I am highly frustrated, but I'm sure not going to quit the fight. We're just going to have to battle tooth and nail. Frankly, as Americans who care deeply, we can not afford to lose.

started something two years ago when you played role in electing me. join our conservative alliance by contributing to my campaign, so that, together, we'll be able to face the battles from a position of strength.


TOPICS: Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: senate; vanity; washington; wi
We need to stand behind conservatives like Senator Ron Johnson WI who voted for the "fiscal cliff" because it was the best of the worst and brought in less federal revenues than the alternatives.

As a businessman and accountant, he knows that Washington is taking us down hill.

1 posted on 01/03/2013 10:08:54 AM PST by ADSUM
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To: ADSUM

Obama is now demanding that Congress allow him to raise the debt ceiling - without debate, or any spending restraint. That won’t happen. To think he will get an increase in the debt ceiling without a serious discussion with the American people is delusional. That is where the fight will be waged over the next 2 months.

Look, I’m new to Washington. I don’t pretend to have all the answers. But three decades in business has taught me how to plan and prioritize, and two years in Washington has shown me how broken this place is.


2 posted on 01/03/2013 10:09:49 AM PST by ADSUM
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To: ADSUM

A looter who votes to take some of my money instead of all of it is still a looter.

The lesser of two evils is still evil.


3 posted on 01/03/2013 10:22:05 AM PST by peyton randolph (FUBO and his wookie beard)
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To: ADSUM

Anyone who voted for the “fiscal cliff” deal should be considered our enemy. Anyone who would vote for unread bills at all should be considered unqualified for office. They voted 3 minutes after the deal was written.


4 posted on 01/03/2013 10:24:31 AM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: ADSUM

Washington is bankrupt......financially and morally.....................


5 posted on 01/03/2013 10:25:05 AM PST by Red Badger (Lincoln freed the slaves. Obama just got them ALL back......................)
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To: ADSUM

If we really have the energy resources of Saudi Arabia, would it be enough to pay off the deficit? Could it support our welfare state? If so, would the Left then continue to increase entitlements?


6 posted on 01/03/2013 10:37:55 AM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: ADSUM; All
Johnson's words are true.

Oh, for leaders whose passion and concern might be for the individual liberty of the citizens they represent, and for the millions of yet unborn whose lives and liberties are being threatened by small men and women, obsessed with the arrogance of power over their fellow citizens now.

Except for a few brave men and women who have studied the ideas of their Declaration of Independence and Constitution, Washington is overcome with decades of departure from those ideas as led by the so-called "progressive" movement, whose ideas are based on a counterfeit set of ideas promulgated by individuals like Marx and Lenin--ideas which deny Creator-endowed life and liberty and insist upon the coercive decision making and power grants from government.

They argue and debate nothingness, and the results are being seen in the outcomes in American society today.

Oh, for leaders who can articulate the ideas of freedom and steer the debate to principles, not issues!

Here are two examples:

"It will be remembered, that a frequent recurrence to fundamental principles is solemnly enjoined by most of the state constitutions, and particularly by our own, as a necessary safeguard against the danger of degeneracy, to which republics are liable, as well as other governments, though in a less degree than others. And a fair comparison of the political doctrines not unfrequent at the present day, with those which characterized the epoch of our revolution, and which form the basis of our republican constitutions, will best determine whether the declaratory recurrence here made to those principles ought to be viewed as unseasonable and improper, or as a vigilant discharge of an important duty. The authority of constitutions over governments, and of the sovereignty of the people over constitutions, are truths which are at all times necessary to be kept in mind; and at no time, perhaps, more necessary than at present.

. . . . .

"These observations appear to form a satisfactory reply to every objection which is not founded on a misconception of the terms employed in the resolutions. There is one other, however, which may be of too much importance not to be added. It cannot be forgotten that, among the arguments addressed to those who apprehended danger to liberty from the establishment of the general government over so great a country, the appeal was emphatically made to the intermediate existence of the state governments between the people and that government, to the vigilance with which they would descry the first symptoms of usurpation, and to the promptitude with which they would sound the alarm to the public. This argument was probably not without its effect; and if it was a proper one then to recommend the establishment of a constitution, it must be a proper one now to assist in its interpretation."

The Founders' Constitution Volume 1, Chapter 8, Document 42 http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/v1ch8s42.html The University of Chicago Press
Elliot, Jonathan, ed. The Debates in the Several State Conventions on the Adoption of the Federal Constitution as Recommended by the General Convention at Philadelphia in 1787. . . . 5 vols. 2d ed. 1888. Reprint. New York: Burt Franklin, n.d.

Thomas Jefferson:

"Sitting near me on some occasion of a trifling but wordy debate, he asked how I could sit in silence hearing so much false reasoning which a word should refute? I observed to him that to refute indeed was easy, but to silence impossible. That in measures brought forward by myself, I took the laboring oar, as was incumbent on me; but that in general I was willing to listen. If every sound argument or objection was used by some one or other of the numerous debaters, it was enough: if not, I thought it sufficient to suggest the omission, without going into a repetition of what had been already said by others. That this was a waste and abuse of the time and patience of the house which could not be justified. And I believe that if the members of deliberative bodies were to observe this course generally, they would do in a day what takes them a week, and it is really more questionable, than may at first be thought, whether Bonaparte's dumb legislature which said nothing and did much, may not be preferable to one which talks much and does nothing. I served with General Washington in the legislature of Virginia before the revolution, and, during it, with Dr. Franklin in Congress. I never heard either of them speak ten minutes at a time, nor to any but the main point which was to decide the question. They laid their shoulders to the great points, knowing that the little ones would follow of themselves. If the present Congress errs in too much talking, how can it be otherwise in a body to which the people send 150. lawyers, whose trade it is to question everything, yield nothing, & talk by the hour? That 150. lawyers should do business together ought not to be expected." - Thomas Jefferson


7 posted on 01/03/2013 11:00:08 AM PST by loveliberty2 ( -)
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To: ADSUM

Go Wisconsin.......one of the few states that has spine and producers ‘doers’

In the end, Joe McCarthy, from Wisconsin, was right


8 posted on 01/03/2013 11:11:13 AM PST by Be Careful
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To: loveliberty2
Here's a more recent one, from Senator DeMint.

Congressional Record Oct 1, 2008 - Page S10232

We have seen this Government socialize our education system and make our schools among the worst in the world. We have seen this Government take over most of our health care system, making private insurance less and less affordable. We have seen this Government socialize our energy resources and bring our Nation to its knees by cutting the development of our own oil and natural gas supplies. And now we see this Congress yielding its constitutional obligations to a Federal bureaucracy, giving it the power to control virtually our entire financial system. Americans understand this and they are angry. They are our judge and our jury. They are watching what we are doing, and they will render their verdict based on our actions.

If we were honest with the American people and explained the failures that have led to this financial crisis, we might have the credibility to ask our citizens to allow us to borrow another $700 billion in their name to try to fix this problem. But we are not being honest. This problem was not created by our free enterprise system. It was created by us, the Congress and the Federal Government. ...

We are telling people not to worry because we are going to rescue them with their own money. Congress is going to allow the Treasury Secretary to take $700 billion from taxpayers to buy bad loans and investments from anyone he chooses anywhere in the world. This, we say, will free up capital, get the credit markets working again, and put our economy back on track.

But this Congress refuses to change our Nation's monetary policy that created the cheap money and inflated the housing bubble. We refuse to change the accounting laws and regulations, even though they are making the problem worse. We refuse to lower capital gains and other taxes to attract capital and promote growth. We refuse to repeal Sarbanes-Oxley, even though it hasn't worked and it has cost our economy billions. And we refuse to expedite the development of America's energy resources, even though it would help every American and grow our economy.

None of these things are even on the table for discussion. We are telling the American people to hand over $700 billion or the world economy is going to collapse. This is why people are so upset. It is because Congress is being dishonest and arrogant. We are not being honest with them about how we got into this mess, and we are not being honest with them about what we need to get out of it.

He said lots more in that speech.

We are the Nation that has been called the bastion of freedom, and we are the Nation that has sacrificed blood and treasure to share that freedom with the world. We have fought communism, dictators, and tyranny. We have helped establish democracies and free-market economies across the globe. Because of America, millions of people are now electing their leaders, and millions have been taken out of poverty and enjoyed prosperity. Yet as the blood of our young men and women falls on foreign soil in the defense of freedom, our own Government appears to be leading our country into the pit of socialism.

9 posted on 01/03/2013 11:19:45 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: ADSUM
bottom line.....our whole entrenched, self serving ruling class is the problem and rebellion is the only solution
10 posted on 01/03/2013 11:23:18 AM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: ADSUM
Au contraire. DC is a boomtown. The restaurants, nightclubs, and hotels are booked up. Our "representatives" and countless lobbyists are dining on the finest foods and being lavishly entertained on the ill-gotten gains extorted from the citizenry while pondering how to trim government. It's a joke of colossal proportions... on us.
11 posted on 01/03/2013 11:23:18 AM PST by SpaceBar
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To: ADSUM

The AMERICAN people are broke and broken.


12 posted on 01/03/2013 11:50:32 AM PST by Clock King
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To: ADSUM

Are you an elected representative in DC? (I feel like I’m on “What’s My Line?”.)


13 posted on 01/03/2013 11:54:42 AM PST by Jane Long (Philippians 2:11)
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To: SpaceBar
DC is a boomtown. The restaurants, nightclubs, and hotels are booked up. Our "representatives" and countless lobbyists are dining on the finest foods and being lavishly entertained on the ill-gotten gains extorted from the citizenry while pondering how to trim government. It's a joke of colossal proportions... on us.

Sickening, isn't it?

14 posted on 01/03/2013 11:57:57 AM PST by Jane Long (Philippians 2:11)
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To: ADSUM

Money’s too tight to mention.
Why?
Because of free trade morons who promoted the de-indutrialization of the United States of America and made millions billions doing so. America was screwed the day WalMart became our largest corporation thus displacing GM. This took place about 17 years ago
If not for this de-indutrialization the Kenyan POS would get no traction. He would not be president.


15 posted on 01/03/2013 12:24:37 PM PST by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: ADSUM
What we need are STATESMEN, affiliated to no party but to the United States of America, and not "Career Politicians" worried more about how they and their party appear during the next election than what is good for our country.
16 posted on 01/03/2013 2:03:18 PM PST by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: Cboldt
Thank you!

Senator DeMint can now direct his attention to a massive education effort among the citizenry to be supported, hopefully, with private contributions from those who wish to see the founding principles and ideas restored to what Jefferson called "the American mind."

Beginning in the late 1800's, those who then proudly self-identified as "liberals," and, now, as "progressives," set about censoring the founding ideas from textbooks and public discourse.

They did not do it in secret, but they did work like termites to produce a sometimes degreed, but constitutionally-illiterate citizenry who, by the 21st Century, would be willing to trade individual liberty for the glib promises of a mere human being of little achievement who promised to "fundamentally transform" America and to "change" it--all the while offering nothing but legalized theft from some to provide "government" handouts to the rest, in the name of "taking care" of them.

To put the matter into perspective in 2012, let's go back to the Year 1876, when, in the 100th year celebration of the Declaration of American Independence, a leading thinker and historian, Black theologian, and Ohio Legislator named Rev. Benjamin W. Arnett was invited to deliver a "Thanksgiving Sermon" at St. Paul A.M.E. Church in Urbana, Ohio.

It can be read online at the "Library of Congress - Historical Collections" -

"African-American Pamphlets from the Daniel A. P. Murray Collection," 1820-1920; American Memory, Library of Congress

Washington, DC

In that Sermon's conclusion, Rev. Arnett warned of just the series of "changes" and events then being planned by well-educated and determined "liberals" of that day. Those "liberals" then morphed into self-described "progressives," and now we can track the "changes" they have wrought. Hear Rev. Arnett in that last section of his lengthy Sermon headed:

"The Danger to our Country.

"Now that our national glory and grandeur is principally derived from the position the fathers took on the great questions of right and wrong, and the career of this nation has been unparalleled in the history of the past, now there are those who are demanding the tearing down the strength of our national fabric. They may not intend to tear it down, but just as sure as they have their way, just that sure will they undermine our superstructure and cause the greatest calamity of the age. What are the demands of this party of men? Just look at it and examine it for yourselves, and see if you are willing that they shall have their way; or will you still assist in keeping the ship of state in the hands of the same crew and run her by the old gospel chart! But ye men who think there is no danger listen to the demands of the Liberals as they choose to call themselves:

"'Organize! Liberals of America! The hour for action has arrived. The cause of freedom calls upon us to combine our strength, our zeal, our efforts. These are The Demands of Liberalism:

"'1. We demand that churches and other ecclesiastical property shall no longer be exempt from just taxation.

"'2. We demand that the employment of chaplains in Congress, in State Legislatures, in the navy and militia, and in prisons, asylums, and all other institutions supported by public money, shall be discontinued.

"'3. We demand that all public appropriations for sectarian educational and charitable institutions shall cease.

"'4. We demand that all religious services now sustained by the government shall be abolished; and especially that the use of the Bible in the public schools, whether ostensibly as a text-book or avowedly as a book of religious worship, shall be prohibited.

"'5. We demand that the appointment, by the President of the United States or by the Governors of the various States, of all religious festivals and fasts shall wholly cease.

"'6. We demand that the judicial oath in the courts and in all other departments of the government shall be abolished, and that simple affirmation under the pains and penalties of perjury shall be established in its stead.

"'7. We demand that all laws directly or indirectly enforcing the observance of Sunday as the Sabbath shall be repealed.

"'8. We demand that all laws looking to the enforcement of “Christian” morality shall be abrogated, and that all laws shall be conformed to the requirements of natural morality, equal rights, and impartial liberty.

"'9. We demand that not only in the Constitution of the United States and of the several States, but also in the practical administration of the same, no privilege or advantage shall be conceded to Christianity or any other special religion; that our entire political system shall be founded and administered on a purely secular basis; and that whatever changes shall prove necessary to this end shall be consistently, unflinchingly, and promptly made.'

"'Let us boldly and with high purpose meet the duty of the hour.'

"Now we must not think that we have nothing to do in this great work, for the men who are at the head of this movement are men of culture and intelligence, and many of them are men of influence. They are led by that thinker and scholar, F. E. Abbott, than whom I know but few men who has a smoother pen, or who is his equal on the battle-field of thought. He says in an address on the duty of his leagues:

"'My answer may be a negative one to all who see nothing positive in the idea of liberty. The conviction I refer to is this: that, regarded as a theological system, Christianity is Superstition, and, regarded as an organized institution, Christianity is Slavery. The purpose I refer to is this: that, whether regarded as theological system, Christianity shall wholly cease to exercise influence in political matters. Although the national Constitution is strictly secular and non-Christian, there are many things in the practical administration of the government which violate its spirit, and constitute a virtual recognition of Christianity as the national religion. These violations are very dangerous; they are on the increase; they more and more give Christianity a practical hold upon the government; they directly tend to strengthen the influence of Christianity over the people, and to fortify it both as a theology and a church; and they are therefore justly viewed with growing indignation by liberals. Not unreasonably are they looked upon as paving the way to a formidable effort to carry the Christian Amendment to the Constitution; and the liberals are beginning to see that they must extinguish the conflagration in its commencement. I believe all this myself, with more intense conviction every day; and therefore I appeal frankly to the people to begin now to lay the foundations of a great National Party of Freedom. It is not a moment too soon. If the liberals are wise, they will see the facts as they are, and act accordingly. Not with hostility, bitterness, defiance, or anger but rather with love to all men and high faith in the beneficence of consistently republican institutions, do I urge them most earnestly to begin the work at once.'

"He acknowledges that this is a religious nation and wants all men to assist him in eliminating the grand old granite principles from the framework of our national union. Will you do it freeman; will we sell the temple reared at the cost of so much precious blood and treasure? These men would have us turn back the hands on the clock of our national progress, and stay the shadow on the dial plate of our christian civilization; they would have us call a retreat to the soldiers in the army of Christ; the banner of the cross they would have us haul down, and reverse the engines of war against sin and crime; the songs of Zion they would turn into discord, and for the harmony and the melody of the sons of God, they would give us general confusion; they would have us chain the forces of virtue and unloose the elements of vice; they would have the nation loose its moorings from the Lord of truth and experience and commit interest, morally, socially; religiously and politically to the unsafe and unreliable human reason; they would discharge God and his crew and run the ship of State by the light of reason, which has always been but a dim taper in the world, and all the foot-prints it has left are marked with the blood of men, women and children. No nation is safe when left alone with reason.

"But we have no notion of giving up the contest without a struggle or a battle. We are aware that there is a great commotion in the world of thought. Religion and science are at arms length contending with all their forces for the mastery. Faith and unbelief are fighting their old battles over again, everything that can be shaken is shaking. The foundations of belief are assaulted by the army of science and men are changing their opinions. New and starting theories are promulgated to the world; old truths are putting on new garbs. Error is dressing in the latest style, wrong is secured by the unholy alliances, changes in men and things, revolution in church and state, Empires are crumbling, Kingdoms tottering; everywhere the change is seen. In the social circle, in the school house, in the pulpit and in the pews. But amid all the changes are revolutions their are some things that are unchangeable, unmovable and enduring. The forces that underline the vital power of Christianity are the same yesterday, to-day, to-morrow and forever more. They are like their God, who is omnipotent, immovable and eternal, and everywhere truth has marched it has left its moccasin tracks.

"The Conclusion of the Whole Matter.We have patiently tried to examine the record of the nations of antiquity and learn the cause of their decay and decline, their fall, why their early death; and why so many implements of destruction around and about their tombs, and everywhere, in the silent streets, mouldering ruins, tottering columns, mouldy and moist rooms, and the united voice from the sepulcher of the dead past is, "sin is a reproach to any people." We see it written on the tombs of the Kings, and engraven on the pages of time, "sin is a reproach to any people." These are the principles of governments, Right and wrong; and the people who are the advocates of Right have bound themselves together and by their united effort they have brought light out of darkness and forced strength out of weakness.

"We as a nation have a grand and glorious future before us. The sun of our nation is just arising above the horizon and is now sending his golden rays of peace from one end of the land to the other. The utmost extremities of the members of the body politic are warm and in motion by the commercial and financial activities of the land. Her face is destined to blush with beauty when peace and justice shall be enthroned. The grand march of progress shall mark her in her onward advancement in moral strength, intellectual brilliancy, and political power. Then we can say that we give to every man, woman and child the benefit of our free institutions, giving all the benefits of our common school and the freedom to worship God under their own vine and fig tree. Then will we see written, on the banner of our free, redeemed and disenthralled country, the sublime words written, not in the blood of men, but in the sun-light of truth, that "Righteousness exalteth a nation." It will fall like the morning dew on the lowly; it will descend like the showers of May on the poor; and like the sun it will shine on the good and bad, dispensing from the hand of plenty the blessings of a government founded on the principle of justice and equality.

"Standing on the threshold of the second century of the nation's life, with the experience of the past lying at our feet, we are saluted by the shout of triumph from the millions who left their homes and business and attended the Great Exposition of the skill and genius of the world, collected at Philadelphia. We were permitted to receive the greetings from the oldest to the youngest nation of the earth. Egypt and the United States clasped hands over the waste of 5,000 years, and lay their treasures at the feet of our civilization. The material, intellectual and mechanical deterioration of the one, and the unprecedented progress of the other, stand in great contrast; in all that makes the nation great,—morally, religiously and socially, the young nation is ahead.

"Following the tracks of righteousness throughout the centuries and along the way of nations, we are prepared to recommend it to all and assert without a shadow of doubt, that "Righteousness exalted a nation"; but on the other hand following the foot-prints of sin amid the ruins of Empires and remains of cities, we will say that "sin is a reproach to any people." But we call on all American citizens to love their country, and look not on the sins of the past, but arming ourselves for the conflict of the future, girding ourselves in the habiliments of Righteousness, march forth with the courage of a Numidian lion and with the confidence of a Roman Gladiator, and meet the demands of the age, and satisfy the duties of the hour. Let us be encouraged in our work, for we have found the moccasin track of Righteousness all along the shore of the stream of life, constantly advancing, holding humanity with a firm hand. We have seen it “through” all the confusion of rising and falling States, of battle, siege and slaughter, of victory and defeat; through the varying fortunes and ultimate extinctions of Monarchies, Republics and Empires; through barbaric irruption and desolation, feudal isolation, spiritual supremacy, the heroic rush and conflict of the Cross and Crescent; amid the busy hum of industry, through the marts of trade and behind the gliding keels of commerce.”

"And in America, the battle-field of modern thought, we can trace the foot-prints of the one and the tracks of the other. So let us use all of our available forces, and especially our young men, and throw them into the conflict of the Right against the Wrong.

"Then let the grand Centennial Thanksgiving song be heard and sung in every house of God; and in every home may thanksgiving sounds be heard, for our race has been emancipated, enfranchised and are now educating, and have the gospel preached to them!

"Sons of freedom, sing the glad hymns of praise on the Western plains! Daughters of sorrow shout the joyful tidings amid the savannahs of the South-land! Proclaim it on the Atlantic's western stand and declare it on the slopes of the Pacific! Humble followers of the Son of Mary, chant the eternal truth in the temple of the Most High, that “Righteousness exalteth a nation, but sin is a reproach to any people.”

"We invite every nation, kindred, tongue and people, to come to our land. Come from the bogs of Ireland; come from the dykes of Holland; come from the mountains of Switzerland; and from the sunny plains of Italy; and enjoy a government made for man! Come from the jungles of Africa or Egypt, the university of the infant world; come from Asia the cradle of humanity; come and bring your gifts from the Islands of the South Sea and spice land! Come ye men of every clime and race and see a nation founded in Righteousness, guarded by Justice, and supported by truth and equity, and defended by God!

"When thus united in one grand commonwealth of nationalities the universal prayer will be:

"Show us our Aaron, with his rod of flower!
Our Miriam, with her timbrel soul in tune!
And call some Joshua, in spirits power,
To praise our sun of strength at point of noon.
God of our fathers! over sand and sea,
Still keep our struggling footsteps close to thee."


17 posted on 01/03/2013 3:45:45 PM PST by loveliberty2 ( -)
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To: dennisw
free trade morons who promoted the de-indutrialization of the United States of America and made millions billions doing so.

The free traitor's evil twin - the open border gloBULList, helped destroy what was left.

18 posted on 01/03/2013 4:01:44 PM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Jane Long

If you see the movie “Hunger Games” this fictional world is made up of 12 hick hayseed provinces and one Capital City that is an orgy of decadence and debauchery. Sort of like DC.


19 posted on 01/03/2013 4:04:16 PM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

Now you get it. The big DC scam same as the divine right of kings scam. Problem is the American sheeple attribute divinity to Obama and Hollywood celebrities and vote for the former


20 posted on 01/03/2013 6:26:38 PM PST by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: dennisw

Bump!


21 posted on 01/03/2013 6:35:29 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

Problem is that it isn’t liquid — in more ways than one.


22 posted on 01/03/2013 6:37:07 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not NurtureĀ™)
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