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Pentagon Readying 800,000 for Rolling Layoffs
The Wall Street Journal ^ | December 30, 2012 | DION NISSENBAUM And DAMIAN PALETTA

Posted on 12/30/2012 10:27:43 AM PST by MinorityRepublican

WASHINGTON—The Pentagon is preparing to notify its entire civilian workforce to prepare for furloughs if Congress and President Barack Obama are unable to reach a deal before Jan. 2 to avert automatic spending cuts.

A senior defense official said Sunday that the Pentagon would notify 800,000 civilian workers to brace for furloughs in the new year, meaning the workers would be ordered to take mandatory leave without pay for a certain period. The warning is much gloomier than the agency recently offered employees, as it had said there wouldn't be an immediate impact on personnel or operations if a deal wasn't reached by January

The automatic spending cuts were put in place by the 2011 Budget Control Act and require $110 billion in spending reductions, split between defense programs and other domestic agencies. The cuts must take place in the first nine months of 2013, and then $110 billion in cuts will take place for eight additional years, under the conditions of the 2011 law. Democrats and Republicans have been working to replace or postpone the cuts but they have been unable to reach an agreement.

The Pentagon will be forced to cut $55 billion in spending in the first nine months of 2013, a roughly 10% reduction in many of its programs. The cuts would affect more than just the agency's workforce, as the White House has said the military's budgets for purchasing aircraft, ammunition, missiles and other items will be cut sharply.

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KEYWORDS: fiscalcliff; jobs; layoffs; letsroll; obama; waronterror
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1 posted on 12/30/2012 10:27:48 AM PST by MinorityRepublican
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To: MinorityRepublican
The Pentagon will be forced to cut $55 billion in spending in the first nine months of 2013, a roughly 10% reduction in many of its programs

With baseline budgeting thats like a spending freeze.... meanwhile Obama has expanded their mission to Africa

2 posted on 12/30/2012 10:30:28 AM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Layoff the whole federal government , also the EPA, FEC ,FDA, OFCCP, etc. , permanently

Don’t give in GOP, go over the media’s stupid cliff


3 posted on 12/30/2012 10:32:05 AM PST by Democrat_media (media makes mass shooters household names to create more & take our guns)
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To: MinorityRepublican

I am very concerned about the potential cuts to weapon systems, not so much about the civilian workforce.

there are way too many pencil pushing civilians clogging the cogs of the U.S. military. getting rid of many of these positions would be a very good thing. I know this first hand.


4 posted on 12/30/2012 10:32:13 AM PST by longfellowsmuse (last of the living nomads)
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To: MinorityRepublican

We have 800,000 civilian government employees in the Department of Defense. How many of them have gone to Iraq or Afghanistan for a year or three out of five years? The Military-Industrial Complex isn’t uniformed personnel. Take her off the cliff, boys!


5 posted on 12/30/2012 10:32:49 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Democrat_media

I want to see it go over so bad I can taste it.


6 posted on 12/30/2012 10:35:04 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: MinorityRepublican

This should REALLY drive the “Fun With Numbers Friday” numbers down. I already see a huge drop in those applying for unemployment. The unemployment rate will probably drop below 4% once these 800,000 are let go. Da conomy be boomin’.


7 posted on 12/30/2012 10:35:15 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Where can I pick up a 2013 Mayan calendar?)
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To: MinorityRepublican
And this is a bad thing?

Layoff those bureaucrats in the EPA, FCC, FDA, FEC,OFCCP, HUD and so on ,and on , . So long cretins. Then we'd have freedom .Don’t give in GOP, go over the media’s stupid cliff, best thing that could happen

Layoff the whole federal government , also the EPA, FEC ,FDA, OFCCP, etc. , permanently

8 posted on 12/30/2012 10:37:27 AM PST by Democrat_media (media makes mass shooters household names to create more & take our guns)
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To: MinorityRepublican

In 2009, the company I worked for lost 2 major customers resulting in a 25% pay cuts for many of us.

Guess what? We survived and learned to get by with less pay.

I am not so confident that federal employees(most but not all) have the ability to financially cope without a Government check specifically because most(not all) federal employees are clueless regarding the basic economic fundamentals.


9 posted on 12/30/2012 10:38:31 AM PST by Le Chien Rouge
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To: Democrat_media
Don’t give in GOP, go over the media’s stupid cliff

I agree.

10 posted on 12/30/2012 10:39:28 AM PST by TwelveOfTwenty (Ho, ho, hey, hey, I'm BUYcotting Chick-Fil-A)
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To: Gaffer; All

Yeah me too. We should call our GOP congressmen, tell them
to hold the line, don’t give in , go over the media’s stupid cliff


11 posted on 12/30/2012 10:39:38 AM PST by Democrat_media (media makes mass shooters household names to create more & take our guns)
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To: MinorityRepublican

This will also affect Defense Contractors. I am looking at my 3 rd layoff in 3 1/2 years.


12 posted on 12/30/2012 10:40:59 AM PST by sean327 (God created all men equal, then some become Marines!)
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To: Gaffer; All

Yeah me too. We should call our GOP congressmen, tell them
to hold the line, don’t give in , go over the media’s stupid cliff

To all :

Call Congress (202-224-2131)


13 posted on 12/30/2012 10:42:15 AM PST by Democrat_media (media makes mass shooters household names to create more & take our guns)
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To: blueunicorn6

When a ‘company’ can take an 800,000 cut in the workforce and still carry out basic functions, that tells me there are 800,000too many people working for it.

Radical idea, I know....


14 posted on 12/30/2012 10:43:25 AM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: MinorityRepublican

Every federal worker is begging for this to happen as they will eventually get reimbursed and therefore these will all be paid days off.

Its just like the supposed pay freeze. Sure, they freeze the pay...but then make it up by giving bigger and bigger “bonuses”. Now, after getting huge bonuses this year, Obama is giving a pay raise. Does anyone really think they will have to give the bonus back?


15 posted on 12/30/2012 10:47:29 AM PST by icwhatudo (Low taxes and less spending in Sodom and Gomorrah is not my idea of a conservative victory)
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To: MinorityRepublican; All
We should call our GOP congressmen, tell them to hold the line, don’t give in , go over the media’s stupid cliff To all :

Call Congress (202-224-2131)

16 posted on 12/30/2012 10:47:29 AM PST by Democrat_media (media makes mass shooters household names to create more & take our guns)
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To: Gaffer

“I want to see it go over so bad I can taste it.”

Thank you for saying what I’ve been thinking!


17 posted on 12/30/2012 10:47:44 AM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: Gaffer

You and I both. I called Roskam’s office twice last week. I told him the following:

No tax increases on anyone.
Serious across the board spending cuts.
Dump Boehner as Speaker.
Just pass a 3 year extension of the current Obama tax rates and adjourn.

L


18 posted on 12/30/2012 10:50:06 AM PST by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Democrat_media

You left out the IRS.

And no these people aren’t “hard working Americans” They are scum of the earth working for their master. I despise every last one of those cretins with every ounce of my soul.


19 posted on 12/30/2012 10:50:59 AM PST by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: longfellowsmuse
there are way too many pencil pushing civilians clogging the cogs of the U.S. military. getting rid of many of these positions would be a very good thing. I know this first hand.

Unfortunately ... you're right.

20 posted on 12/30/2012 10:51:15 AM PST by OldNavyVet
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To: MinorityRepublican

More unemployed (mostly) white guys...what could go wrong?


21 posted on 12/30/2012 10:52:17 AM PST by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: unixfox
I meant all of them , the IRS too. We should call our GOP congressmen, tell them to hold the line, don’t give in , go over the media’s stupid cliff To all repost this number, let's have a freeper surge:

Call Congress (202-224-2131)

22 posted on 12/30/2012 10:53:53 AM PST by Democrat_media (media makes mass shooters household names to create more & take our guns)
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To: Lurker
Yeah.and put the bureaucrats and congress critters on Obamacare...if its “so good” Give them a taste of their own medicine (pun intended)
23 posted on 12/30/2012 10:56:05 AM PST by spokeshave (The only people better off today than 4 years ago are the Prisoners at Guantanamo.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

They are making a cliff out of a molehill. It is high time to go over it and a whole lot more. Bring it on.


24 posted on 12/30/2012 10:57:17 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: MinorityRepublican

Welcome to ObaMurica


25 posted on 12/30/2012 11:00:27 AM PST by Blue Highway
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To: MinorityRepublican

Make no mistake, 0bama is looking to further weaken our military to reduce our influence on the world stage. It’s all about destroying our superpower status. 0bama is on a kill mission, domestically and abroad. He’s bolstering those aligned with him domestically (unions and federal agencies working to deconstruct our free-market, capitalist Republic) while undermining America’s superpower status.


26 posted on 12/30/2012 11:05:59 AM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Nothing like getting ready in advance (i.e., they did NO PLANNING AT ALL, until now).

Everything done by the administration from this to the publishing of tax withholding tables has been based on the assumption that the REPUBLICANS will cave.

But the law is the law, and Obama should have followed it. The law says the defense cuts start Tuesday and taxes go up, starting Tuesday. They have flouted the law because they were so sure the the Republicans would cave...

They should be prosecuted just for that.


27 posted on 12/30/2012 11:07:09 AM PST by BobL (Agenda 21...Agenda 21...Agenda 21...Agenda 21...Agenda 21... (whatever the hell that is))
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To: MinorityRepublican

Take that 800,000 and multiply it by say a conservative salary figure (lets say 35,000 $ per year/annually), not counting all the medical/benefits.
And we have ____________________________

And that’s just one bureaucracy.


28 posted on 12/30/2012 11:09:05 AM PST by Varsity Flight (Extortion-Care is the Government Work-Camp: Arbeitsziehungslager)
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To: MinorityRepublican

It is interesting that the Dems keep hitting us with these Defense cuts, when Defense cuts has been their motto FOR DECADES.

If the Democrats were BEING HONEST they would be telling us how great these cuts are, because the “Pentagon Budget” (as they call it) is so bloated.

Bottom line - The Democrats are in ABJECT FEAR of the cuts, they have promised EVERYONE not to worry and that the Republicans would fold, but they still haven’t folded?


29 posted on 12/30/2012 11:12:56 AM PST by BobL (Agenda 21...Agenda 21...Agenda 21...Agenda 21...Agenda 21... (whatever the hell that is))
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To: MinorityRepublican
Why We Are On The Brink Of The Greatest Depression Of All Time
30 posted on 12/30/2012 11:15:41 AM PST by blam
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To: MinorityRepublican

Thanks for voting and supporting Obama - now get the Hell out. :D


31 posted on 12/30/2012 11:16:33 AM PST by Tzimisce (The American Revolution began when the British attempted to disarm the Colonists.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

DoD buddy of mine asked several months back his supervisor on when management will inform the workers to prepare if the fiscal cliff does happen. He was surprise to find out that DoD forbid their agency heads to prepare for a fiscal cliff because it has not officially occur. Managers were absolutely forbidden to discuss this matter with their workers or face DoD legal action against them. Part of the reasoning is any unofficial preparation of workers may spook contractors that something will happen. The other unofficial rumor reason is that Obama did not want to affect his re election efforts. The bottom line is furlough will hit the DoD workforce snd many of the workers will be surprise because they assume everything is OK from the silence of their management. Any DoD freepers out there, get out the popcorn and watch the show. Wonder how the non DoD workers will react when entitlement programs take a hit. DoD workers are not the only ones who will suffer cutbacks.


32 posted on 12/30/2012 11:18:28 AM PST by Fee
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To: Fee

“He was surprise to find out that DoD forbid their agency heads to prepare for a fiscal cliff because it has not officially occur. “

So forget the cliff. If defense spending were to be cut by, say, 20% next year in a budget approved by Congress and signed by the president - he’s saying that DOD would do NOTHING at all in anticipation of the lower budget, prior to October 1 - nothing, like lowering the rate of buying new hardware, in advance? Of course not...in fact they place orders YEARS IN ADVANCE. Were they placing orders based on funds that were NEVER BUDGETED?

My point is that the Cliff spending level is the law of the land, passed by Congress and signed by the President - and yet they were told it wasn’t real. Like I say, CRIMINAL CHARGES need to be filed here.


33 posted on 12/30/2012 11:26:15 AM PST by BobL (Agenda 21...Agenda 21...Agenda 21...Agenda 21...Agenda 21... (whatever the hell that is))
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To: Fee
I still don’t think ‘cuts’ will happen[I’m a DoD civ]. We need the cuts, but there should be cuts across the line. I don’t see that happening with either the R’s and D’s. Is not these cuts based on projections and not actual spending? The GOP had a chance to decrease Gov’t, well now the Dems are gonna take away from the GOP golden goose. It will be interesting.
34 posted on 12/30/2012 11:28:18 AM PST by Theoria
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To: Norm Lenhart

My first assignment was to Fort Knox. I had pay problems, so I went to the finance office. It was 90% civilian. We turned in a tank for a scheduled rebuild. It went to The Boatwright Maintenance Facility. It was 95% civilian. I realized that 90+% of the “good” permanent jobs at Fort Knox were held by civilians. I started to look into it. They weren’t paid less than the Soldiers. They weren’t doing jobs that were beyond the Soldier’s capabilities. But, they lived there. The Soldiers would move every couple of years. The civilian workers had bought homes and were staying there. They were residents. They voted for the local politicians. I finally realized that the “good” jobs were taken by civilian government employees as a reward. Vote Democrat, and be rewarded.


35 posted on 12/30/2012 11:40:48 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: blueunicorn6

We need to close 200 military bases world wide . I could care less about these cuts. Why do we have troops in Japan,Germany? What a joke. Bring them home and put them on the Mexican border. And no damned AMNESTY!!


36 posted on 12/30/2012 11:46:12 AM PST by willowdean
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To: MinorityRepublican

I believe this “edge of the fiscal cliff” crap is a sham to the inth degree.

I can see the headlines now, “Obama saves the nation, averting fiscal cliff disaster”.

Just feels like a facade.


37 posted on 12/30/2012 11:46:12 AM PST by servantboy777
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To: servantboy777

It would make him the center of attention right at New Year’s, and could serve as an alter to set the agenda for the next year - which he could then harp on at the State of the Union address.


38 posted on 12/30/2012 11:55:13 AM PST by tbw2
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To: Le Chien Rouge

“In 2009,the company I worked for lost 2 major customers resulting in a 25% pay cuts for many of us.

Guess what? We survived and learned to get by with less pay.”

Did your company have defense contracts or commercial contracts?

I remember well the massive layoffs in 1989-1992 in SoCal.


39 posted on 12/30/2012 12:06:54 PM PST by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: TwelveOfTwenty

If the GOP want to loose big, then go over the cliff.


40 posted on 12/30/2012 12:08:41 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: sean327

Sean,

Do you remember the massive layoffs in 1989-1992 in the l.a. area?

It was brutal... every major defense contractor was cutting jobs.


41 posted on 12/30/2012 12:09:32 PM PST by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: Lurker; Gaffer; Diana in Wisconsin

Lurker, Gaffer, Diana in Wisconsin

Are any of y’all working for companies with defense contracts?

If so, what are your prospects for next year?


42 posted on 12/30/2012 12:12:33 PM PST by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: blueunicorn6
There are 1.457 million full-time active duty in uniform.

There are 800,000 government civilians.

If you run into three government employees on an average military post, on average one is a civil servant and the other two are military.

That does not yet include the hoards of contractors.

This is insane.

The vast majority of the of the DOD personnel cuts since the late 1980s have been to the uniformed active duty side.

The civilians primarily operate in an administrative capacity. It is administration which has seen the most automation as a result of the information revolution of the last 30 years. Yet the DOD still carries such a significant level of administrative overhead.

The uniformed services require some level of overhead, because of the risk associated with warfare. There has to be a designated deputy in case the leader is killed or injured. This level of redundancy no longer exists in the private sector. Nor does every first level manager have a an administrative assistant (i.e., secretary) any more. In most cases you need to be a manager of managers of managers to warrant an administrative assistant.

But the government is different.

43 posted on 12/30/2012 12:14:44 PM PST by magellan
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To: servantboy777

Actually the plan is another behind closed doors meeting, just like in the 2008 Bailout Babies collateral fraud, and the code speak “bi-partisan” (so called “banks”...anti-Glass Steigal scammers, “insurance” non-insurance i.e “investors”, and Federal workers retirement pensions), and buy time until they can pass it off (collateral transformation) by Extortion-Care, on everybody else but them.


44 posted on 12/30/2012 12:16:47 PM PST by Varsity Flight (Extortion-Care is the Government Work-Camp: Arbeitsziehungslager)
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To: GeronL
Screw the military and We The People, by all means, obozo!
But be sure to give YOUR Federal foot soldiers a raise , your drone-in-your-pocket voters continued freebies, ANYONE else who needs to be paid off, you bast*rd!!

Remember what happened in the end to Mussolini, just to name one dictator....it could happen to YOU, and you know who I mean.

45 posted on 12/30/2012 12:21:25 PM PST by itssme
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To: MinorityRepublican

The way they throw that 800,000 jobs number around sounds deceiving. They don’t say how many would be affected at any one particular time. They make it sound like 800K people are going to be thrown out of work. That’s not what a “rolling furlough” is like.

I work in the private sector, and a few years ago everybody in my company had to take a week’s unpaid furlough every quarter for a year. If I have had to do it, then I have no sympathy for the civilian employees of the military.


46 posted on 12/30/2012 12:21:47 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: BobL; Fee

BobL wrote:

“If defense spending were to be cut by,say,20% next year in a budget approved by Congress and signed by the president - he’s saying that DOD would do NOTHING at all in anticipation of the lower budget,prior to October 1 - nothing,like lowering the rate of buying new hardware,in advance? Of course not...in fact they place orders YEARS IN ADVANCE. Were they placing orders based on funds that were NEVER BUDGETED?”

Questions to BobL and fee:

The company i work for has a contract for x Widgets to be sold to xx branch of the military, it goes to the end of 2013.

Does the DoD expect sudden cuts/cancellation of the project?

Multiply that by however many programs..... and its 1989-1992 all over again.... or will it be that bad?


47 posted on 12/30/2012 12:22:34 PM PST by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: WildHighlander57; Lurker; Diana in Wisconsin

I was in an industry dependent on Government contracts but I retired last January 1. The unit I ran currently has about 12 months of paid backlog.

If the cliff hits and they have to curtail entitlements and Social Security, etc., then I’ll not get my SS payment.

Regardless of this, I’ll have to make do without, because I’d still rather see this government live within its means like the rest of us have to do. We cannot survive in a country where half the people are on some sort of welfare and likely don’t get up before noon.


48 posted on 12/30/2012 12:29:28 PM PST by Gaffer
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To: WildHighlander57

Heck, I’m clueless. I’m just pointing out that people working in government are required to follow the law, and the law includes projected spending based on what’s been passed by Congress.

In this case, they are IGNORING the law (understandingly) expecting the Republicans to cave - but still breaking the law.


49 posted on 12/30/2012 12:31:54 PM PST by BobL (Agenda 21...Agenda 21...Agenda 21...Agenda 21...Agenda 21... (whatever the hell that is))
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To: Gaffer; Democrat_media

What’s so great about going over “the cliff”?


50 posted on 12/30/2012 12:39:27 PM PST by Girlene
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