Posted on 12/21/2012 9:27:58 AM PST by Red Steel
Appearances can be deceiving. Your experiences are not necessarily mine or others.
If some liberal state wants to tax its citizens into oblivion to pay for this monstrosity, let them. Other states can try other solutions.
Mass shooters are cowards. They don't want any opposition. They commit suicide when they discover rescue personnel on their way. The "possibility" of an armed teacher or admin will be enough to discourage most of the crazies. (See Lott & Landis study on Multiple Victim Public Shootings, Bombings, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handgun Laws)
Sorry but we’re being played on this.
The solution is not another armed union leo (local, TSA, whatever) at the government school. Who everyone would know to look for and take out first.
The solution is an unknown number of CCW teachers and administrators that few know about and would not telegraph to anyone they were the targets to eliminate.
Arm the teachers! Reopen the mental wards!
Even if every single school can't afford a guard (it of course shouldn't be a national program but a local one), the talk alone is a deterrent to gun violence.
This is exacly the way the dialogue should go.
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No one but the left is opposing this idea. The only conclusion is that the left WANTS more mass shootings, so they can “justify” grabbing guns out of the hands of honest, law-abiding citizens and deliberately leaving them in the hands of criminals.
Once the so-called "public school" movement was under way, there were those who warned of potential dangers, and were either ignored or ostracized.
It is the same today. Those who speak out against the Dept. of Education and all of the other multitudinous bureaucracies that control the propagandizing of youth today in the name of "educating" them must be willing to be marginalized by the media and politicians.
Even as early as the Year 1886, such was the case. A man by the name of Zacharias Montgomery was denied an important post in the federal government for doing just that. You will read some of his words below. Read his complete work entitled, "Poison Drops in the Federal Senate - The School Question from a Parental and Non-Sectarian Standpoint" HERE. He provides statistics and documentation from public records to that date to support his position.
To read his report and conclusions leads one to realize this man's ability to see the consequences of what his fellow Americans were advocating in the area of education of youth.
With that said, those who love liberty must be willing to come forward to declare that it is better to be remembered for standing on and articulating enduring principles of right versus wrong, liberty versus tyranny, than to be praised by the mainstream media and so-called "progressives."
The words of Zacharias Montgomery in his 1886 Book entitled "Poison Drops in the United States Senate . . . ." are worth reading. Although his treatise dealt primarily with the public school question, the following remarks might be helpful to those who, today, are concerned by what passes for "public education."
Excerpts from his work:
"My countrymen, disguise the fact as we may, there is in this country to-day, and in both the political Parties, an element which is ripe for a centralized despotism. There are men and corporations of vast wealth, whose iron grasp spans this whole continent, and who find it more difficult and more expensive to corrupt thirty odd State Legislatures than one Federal Congress. It was said of Nero of old that he wished the Roman people had but one head, so that he might cut it off at a single blow. And so it is with those moneyed kings who would rule this country through bribery, fraud, and intimidation."It is easy to see how, with all the powers of government centered at Washington in one Federal head, they could at a single stroke put an end to American liberty.
"But they well understand that before striking this blow the minds of the people must be prepared to receive it. And what surer or safer preparation could possibly be made than is now being made, by indoctrinating the minds of the rising generation with the idea that ours is already a consolidated government ; that the States of the Union have no sovereignty which is not subordinate to the will and pleasure of the Federal head, and that our Constitution is the mere creature of custom, and may therefore be legally altered or abolished by custom.
"Such are a few of the pernicious and poisonous doctrines which ten millions of American children are today drinking in with the very definitions of the words they are compelled to study. And yet the man who dares to utter a word of warning of the approaching danger is stigmatized as an enemy to education and unfit to be men tioned as a candidate for the humblest office.
"Be it so. Viewing this great question as I do, not for all the offices in the gift of the American people would I shrink from an open and candid avowal of my sentiments. If I have learned anything from the reading of history, it is that the man who, in violation of great principles, toils for temporary fame, purchases for himself either total oblivion or eternal infamy, while he who temporarily goes down battling for right principles always deserves, and generally secures, the gratitude of succeeding ages, and will carry with him the sustaining solace of a clean conscience, more precious than all the offices and honors in the gift of man.
"History tells us that Aristides was voted into banishment because he was just. Yet who would not a thousand times rather today be Aristides than be numbered amongst the proudest of his persecutors.
"Socrates, too, in violation of every principle of justice, was con demned to a dungeon and to death. Yet what name is more honored in history than his? And which of his unjust judges would not gladly, hide himself in the utter darkness of oblivion from the with ering scorn and contempt of all mankind ?
"From the noble example of Aristides and of Socrates let American statesmen learn wisdom, and from the undying infamy of their cow ardly time-serving persecutors let political demagogues of today take warning."
So said Zacharias Montgomery in 1886.
Just for balance, I like to point out, that teachers are unionized too.
I doubt that the NRA calling for “armed guards” is against the idea of arming teachers being the armed guards.
“free teacher training in the proper use of firearms” is just about the WORST tack to take in this unfolding new “conversation” we’re just starting. I hope no one pushes it , because IT ALONE will threaten to sink any possible progress in this issue. Have you forgotten how hegemonic is the control of the Teacher’s Unions, and how they can already dictate what teachers can and can’t and won’t and wouldn’t be obligated to do in their highly ritualized function as teachers?
No, the real answers to school security lie elsewhere and teacher involvement isn’t one of them. If you could find a place where their Union doesn’t hold sway and make policy for all of them, it might be possible you’d find some teachers who would voluntarily agree to have firearms ready
for use, but ready for use, hidden away in a locked cabinet along with the glue and crayons, has its own problems.
Far better to have at least one retired cop who’s used to carrying a weapon, and knows from his training how to use it.
We are just beginning to get a taste of what Israel has been going through for many many years.
Nicely played by LaPierre, though I do disagree about the video games. I believe they might help an already sick person be slightly more successful at one of these shootings, they don’t cause them or even make them any more likely.
But...an armed guard in every school with a pump shotgun or a semi-auto pistol that won’t penetrate walls too easily...Absolutely!
...in the tradition of Father Reyes Vega
Why not just armed carry permit holders who already work there? :-/
“Possibility” and “most” are risks that I am not willing to take.
As I said, if money is more important to you, then expect this to happen again.
Let the schools charge the parents for cost of increased security.
If public schools can’t afford to protect children, then don’t send children there.
It all boils down to what is more important to the parent, we are talking about their treasure after all.
What happens when you leave treasure undefended or inadequately defended?
It gets taken from you.
How effective was Neil Gardner (armed security) at Columbine? Why didn’t he run into Columbine and take down the shooters? One of a two of first responders to the Sikh Temple shooting was shot even though he was forewarned and working with his partner. The same for the Ft. Hood shooting with one wounded as a team of two first responders encounter the shooter outside the building.
Four cops were killed in a local coffee shop.
Four cops killed including two SWAT by Mixon in Oakland.
Most recently two cops killed outside a grocery store in Kansas.
The Newhall shooting is instructive as to what happens when you are outgunned (so unless the security is carrying a long rifle with a 30 round clip he would have been outgunned).
Remember based on statistics and the population of the U.S. you can go 80,000 years without encountering a mass shooting event. Guards have marvelous training but, unless you are in an active combat zone, it is difficult to keep your guard up.
Not to say that you could have some deterence value to an armed uniformed officer at the only entrance to a school. That is usually the first target.
Of course a couple of husky 12 year olds should have been able to take Lanza down.
Video of police station shooting. What would have happened with a single armed officer at the entrance of a school? In this case that was the first one to go down. Lamar Moore was using a 20 gauge pump action shotgun (Moosberg Model 500 which carries from 5 to 8 rounds). I don’t know what load or which version he was using. Consider how long it takes to reload a shotgun compared to a magazine fed weapon, how many rounds can be fired before reload (max 8 vs. 30), and how fast a semiautomatic fires in comparison to a semiautomatic weapon.
Of course a couple of husky 12 year olds should have been able to take Lanza down.
private ccw citizens are not LEOs. We don’t need more government LEOs everywhere. This is advancing the police state. You can just see the whole federal gravy train for tens of billions for your big brother officer in every school program.
And God help us if they expand TSA to do this, which I believe they will attempt to do in the most dangerous schools at first, but then everywhere else. Mark the date and time.
I met to say magazine and not clip. I know the difference before I am corrected.
I was with him until he started talking about putting a cop in every school. No.
Great speech, Wayne.
Additional school employees all across the country. You would think this would be a teachers’ union wet dream.
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