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Agents visit Conn. gun shops after school massacre
Associated Press ^ | Dec. 16, 2012 3:05 AM EST | John Christoffersen and Matt Apuzzo

Posted on 12/16/2012 12:24:07 AM PST by Olog-hai

While white-steepled churches and President Barack Obama prepared to comfort a grieving town Sunday, federal agents planned to fan out to dozens of gun stores and shooting ranges across Connecticut, chasing leads they hoped would cast light on the life of school shooter Adam Lanza.

Among the questions to be answered: Why did his mother, a well-to-do suburban divorcée, keep a cache of high-power weapons in the house? What experience did Lanza have with those guns? And, above all, what set him on a path to shoot and kill 20 children, along with the adults who tried to stop him? …

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Connecticut
KEYWORDS: banglist; ctmassacre; sandyhook; sandyhookshooting; sandyhookweapons
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1 posted on 12/16/2012 12:24:11 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

2 posted on 12/16/2012 12:25:15 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: Salamander

Here...


3 posted on 12/16/2012 12:26:46 AM PST by Bradís Gramma (Psalm 83)
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To: Olog-hai

Whenever a horrible tragedy like this happens, I wish a simple rule would be followed during the discussion: Any suggestions for prevention of future such incidents should be disallowed unless they would have actually have prevented the incident in question.


4 posted on 12/16/2012 12:36:44 AM PST by Sherman Logan (Brought to you by one of the pale penis people.)
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To: Sherman Logan

They pretty much say right out loud in the news reports that it was the divorce that precipitated this catastrophe, but they don’t even hear themselves saying it.


5 posted on 12/16/2012 12:49:57 AM PST by dr_lew
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To: Olog-hai

>”cache of high-power weapons”<

Pray tell, exactly what is a “cache”, and what is considered a “high powered weapon”, a Phaser, Disrupter, Death Star?

If that was a cache, my Family must own a National Guard Armory.


6 posted on 12/16/2012 12:56:07 AM PST by Kickass Conservative (They Live, and we're the only ones wearing the Sunglasses...)
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To: Olog-hai
Amid the confusion and sorrow, stories of heroism emerged, including an account of Hochsprung, 47, and the school psychologist, Mary Sherlach, 56, rushing toward Lanza in an attempt to stop him. Both died.

If one or both had been armed perhaps both would be alive and fewer children would be dead.

But it is not politically correct to say such obvious and logical things.

Certainly the AP would never be so crass as to mention such hurtful facts while parents are grieving. /S

7 posted on 12/16/2012 1:05:41 AM PST by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: dr_lew

I just read 2 different stories about the killer one said he graduated from the High school and another said his mother had pulled him out in 10th grade. How come there are so many confilcting stories about this guy?

“He graduated high school in 2010 and refused to pose for the traditional high school yearbook picture – a rite of passage in America. Instead, a note on the page under his name states: ‘Camera shy.’”

“She mentioned she wound up home-schooling him because she battled with the school district,” said Marsha.

She did not know when Adam had left school. According to former classmates, Adam had attended the local high school at least through part of 10th grade.


8 posted on 12/16/2012 1:08:42 AM PST by funfan
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To: Kickass Conservative

Cache = a lever action .22 and a single shot .410


9 posted on 12/16/2012 1:31:07 AM PST by Husker24
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To: Olog-hai
I would call this event a case of Delta Male Rage.

he was 20 years old. That's a stressful time for most young men. Hormones are raging and they are leaving the nest. some are better prepared to leave the nest than others. Those who leave the nest unprepared for the cold cruel world are prone to falling into self destructive patterns. when they have an underlying mental disorder, those self destructive patterns can become even more destructive. throw in some holiday stress and a failed intimate relationship and bam, you have a recipe for delta male homicidal rage.

I don't think this will be the last example of delta male rage we see. Not by a long shot.

10 posted on 12/16/2012 1:43:39 AM PST by RC one (FU liberals)
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To: Olog-hai

Why do I feal like I’m living in a brakken novel?


11 posted on 12/16/2012 1:43:50 AM PST by Drill Thrawl (We have crossed the line from independence & liberty to dependency & servitude. We are doomed)
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To: funfan
IMO

The more confusing information is now, the easier it will to keep a plausable line going when people start to bear down on ...

Wellll ... let's liken the basic event to Fast and Furious.

Plenty of evidence and support for for obama's gun running to Mexico, yet he and Holder are still out of prison and plausably denying and totally ignoring any complicity in Brian Terry's murder.


Too much of This elementary school slaughter just doesn't pass the smell test ... to me.

12 posted on 12/16/2012 1:49:33 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: Olog-hai

did the perp have a job?


13 posted on 12/16/2012 2:07:50 AM PST by RockyTx
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To: Pontiac
Absolutely correct, armed, trained teachers and other staff would have greatly lessened the carnage and given the school the means to defend the children. Those who mandate gun free victim zones are major contributors to mass murders in schools, theaters, malls and the like. There should be a legal means to hold the decision makers responsible for making everyone vulnerable to such attacks.
14 posted on 12/16/2012 2:11:22 AM PST by Truth29
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To: Olog-hai

Do you have to be 21 to purchase a firearm in Connecticut?
If so, is that why this 20-year-old had his 24-year-old brother’s ID on his body?

And did the brother, Ryan, know that Adam was using his ID to purchase guns?
What else did Ryan know?


15 posted on 12/16/2012 2:11:50 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Husker24

When I was 8 years old I had a single shot .410 and a Remington 22 with the cylinder magazine (nylon stock as I recall). Still wish I had that one.

Todays Libtards would have thought I was another Jesse James in the making.


16 posted on 12/16/2012 2:24:25 AM PST by Kickass Conservative (They Live, and we're the only ones wearing the Sunglasses...)
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To: Kickass Conservative

Anything more deadly than an Airsoft gun is “high powered” to a journalist. And ANY weapon can be use in an assault, therefore ALL weapons are assault weapons, if the agenda requires it.


17 posted on 12/16/2012 2:40:49 AM PST by Fresh Wind
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To: Lancey Howard
Do you have to be 21 to purchase a firearm in Connecticut?

You have to be 21 to purchase a pistol nationwide. In Connecticut, you also have to apply for an eligibility certificate through the Commissioner of Public Safety to get permission to purchase a handgun.

I'm getting this from my CHL app on my iPhone. I don't live in Connecticut.
18 posted on 12/16/2012 2:41:30 AM PST by RandallFlagg ("Liberalism is about as progressive as CANCER" -Alfonzo Rachel)
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To: Olog-hai

She sounds like she might be a trifle weird too. Still why hassle a bunch of gun shops that were doing nothing they could have known to be wrong?


19 posted on 12/16/2012 3:04:50 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: Lancey Howard

Did the two look enough alike that the “borrowed” license would be believed?

It might have been other things than guns, of course, that he wanted Crazy Little Brother to get. Liquor maybe, or cigarettes, or porn.


20 posted on 12/16/2012 3:07:53 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: Fresh Wind

Which s why the Second Amendment uses the term “ARMS” and doesn’t use the term “Muskets”.

My Lib B-I-L brings up the technology of the day (Muskets)when discussing the Second Amendment. I asked him where the word “internet” is listed in the First Amendment.

End of discussion, which was fine by me.


21 posted on 12/16/2012 3:14:13 AM PST by Kickass Conservative (They Live, and we're the only ones wearing the Sunglasses...)
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To: Olog-hai

Why are federal agents doing ANYTHING on this case?


22 posted on 12/16/2012 3:44:50 AM PST by jocon307
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To: Kickass Conservative
”cache of high-power weapons”

Pray tell, exactly what is a “cache”, and what is considered a “high powered weapon”, a Phaser, Disrupter, Death Star?

If that was a cache, my Family must own a National Guard Armory.

I don't know, but I think there are generally at least a dozen golf clubs in a set, and they're not called a "cache". The question of the power of the 5.56 NATO cartridge has been debated since it's introduction. I don't think you'd want to try hunting big game with it. As is typical, the press doesn't know what it's writing about and has no interest in learning.

23 posted on 12/16/2012 3:55:44 AM PST by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: Olog-hai

:Among the questions to be answered: Why did his mother, a well-to-do suburban divorcée, keep a cache of high-power weapons in the house? :

Because it was her right.

“And, above all, what set him on a path to shoot and kill 20 children, along with the adults who tried to stop him?”

Because he was a sick, evil bastard created by a society that abandoned all social norms and standards of Judaeo-Christian morality and ethics.


24 posted on 12/16/2012 4:11:05 AM PST by ZULU (See video: http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2012/09/the-first-siege-of-vienna.html)
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To: Olog-hai

How about the psyco son purchasing the arms under his mother’s name for his use?


25 posted on 12/16/2012 4:14:03 AM PST by chemicalman (The more support I see,the harder I want to work,and the more determined I am not to let folks down.)
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To: dr_lew

“They pretty much say right out loud in the news reports that it was the divorce that precipitated this catastrophe”

We should ban divorce “it’s for the children”.

(/sarcasm off)


26 posted on 12/16/2012 4:15:40 AM PST by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: Olog-hai; All

http://www.infowars.com/im-going-to-kill-myself-on-friday-and-it-will-make-the-news/


27 posted on 12/16/2012 4:15:44 AM PST by Las Vegas Dave
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To: funfan

You know, I am wondering if Adam Lanza was seeing the same school psychologist that was there, and died at Sandy Hook elementary.

Now that you mention that Adam’s mother had battled with the school district it could lead me to believe that that battle may have had to do with his “mental health” in some way and maybe Adam blamed his Mom and the district for messing with his head.

Question is. Was someone messing with his head?


28 posted on 12/16/2012 4:21:28 AM PST by dforest
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To: dforest

Has it been reported if the shooter was taking ADD or ADHD drugs throughout his childhood?


29 posted on 12/16/2012 4:40:38 AM PST by wintertime
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To: Olog-hai

“And, above all, what set him on a path to shoot and kill 20 children, along with the adults who tried to stop him? “

No adult who lived in America 50 or more years ago would have any problem understanding the inescapable effects degraded deviant culture will eventually have.


30 posted on 12/16/2012 4:43:56 AM PST by TalBlack (Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: wintertime

I haven’t heard that he was, but he may have. Some of those drugs they give them make for very dark moods.

I have seen it first hand. And if they get off the drugs, they become really wild.


31 posted on 12/16/2012 4:47:48 AM PST by dforest
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To: wintertime

Another thing. Many times the kid may have Aspbergers and they are treated with ADHD drugs. They are also pale and seem to have dark circles under the eyes.

In the photos he looked very thin. While on the meds they don’t eat properly. If taken off the meds, they gain weight and look healthier.


32 posted on 12/16/2012 4:52:02 AM PST by dforest
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To: funfan
It could have been his sophomore year picture. I don’t know where the media gets graduated from unless they mean from the homeschool curricula.
33 posted on 12/16/2012 4:54:11 AM PST by napscoordinator (GOP Candidate 2020 - "Bloomberg 2020 - We vote for whatever crap the GOP puts in front of us.")
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To: dforest

Was someone messing with his head?

Have you seen his pictures? I tell you he looks like a nut to me.


34 posted on 12/16/2012 4:58:58 AM PST by napscoordinator (GOP Candidate 2020 - "Bloomberg 2020 - We vote for whatever crap the GOP puts in front of us.")
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To: Olog-hai

“cache of high-power weapons in the house?”

3 is a “cache”?

Look, when the dad leaves, the mom needs protection. If she turns to a gun, who can blame her sheesh


35 posted on 12/16/2012 5:00:30 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: dr_lew

you are correct the selfish dad left to pursue tail and the kids suffer the most as is always the case


36 posted on 12/16/2012 5:01:31 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Olog-hai

One thing that bothers me. I heard on FOX today that each of those kids had been shot at least eleven times.

They said there were two handguns found and a rifle in the car.

How did two guns do all that is such a short time frame because at the first shots, there were people in the school calling the cops?


37 posted on 12/16/2012 5:17:21 AM PST by dforest
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“cache of high-power weapons in the house?” 3 is a “cache”?

Yes. An "arsenal" is 4.

38 posted on 12/16/2012 5:19:34 AM PST by nonsporting
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To: Drill Thrawl

‘cause you are! He had this already figured out.

Looks like all his books are going to play out in a way.


39 posted on 12/16/2012 5:19:54 AM PST by dforest
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To: Olog-hai

Why did his mother, a well-to-do suburban divorcée, keep a cache of high-power weapons in the house?

Why not?


40 posted on 12/16/2012 5:20:04 AM PST by Kent1957
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To: RC one
It’s more than Delta Male Rage. Young men can have destructive patterns in their lives during stessful times, and yes commit horrible crimes, but this went beyond that. It was the killing of very young children. There is evil here that cannot be explained by male hormones.
41 posted on 12/16/2012 5:30:21 AM PST by FR_addict
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To: dr_lew

“They pretty much say right out loud in the news reports that it was the divorce that precipitated this catastrophe, but they don’t even hear themselves saying it.”

I tend to think it was the dad...so busy climbing the corporate ladder that he forgot he had a kid - and a troubled kid.

I’m sure he’s proud of his career achievements now.


42 posted on 12/16/2012 5:32:39 AM PST by BobL (Did you know that the Chinese now buy close to twice as many new cars as Americans each year?)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
She sounds like she might be a trifle weird too. Still why hassle a bunch of gun shops that were doing nothing they could have known to be wrong?

Two good points. Adam sounds like a failed Asperger's case. Supposedly high IQ, but totally disconnected personality. In Massachusetts a few years back, there was a fatal high school stabbing by a moderate functioning Asperger's kid. He was known to be problematic, but not crazy-violent. He went off without warning, as seems to have happened here.

It's easier and better publicity to focus publicly on the gun shops than on the psychiatric profile of Mom and son. That would probably be more fruitful. I wonder if Adam was taking any meds, too. As to Adam's problems, a genetic component would not be surprising.

43 posted on 12/16/2012 5:49:20 AM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Sooth2222

“Cache” is used to manipulate.

It is to insinuate that some illegal thing is being hidden.

After all the “high powered weapons” where hidden in that secret hiding place hollowed out in the back of the closet under the stairs, weren’t they?


44 posted on 12/16/2012 5:53:01 AM PST by Ray76
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To: Olog-hai

“Why did his mother, a well-to-do suburban divorcée, keep a cache of high-power weapons in the house?”

Why? Because she could. Because it was her God-given right, as journalized in the Second Amendment to the US Constitution.

And, all the gun-grabbers, all the libtard pundits, all the progressives, communists and 0bamunists need to come to that realization.

The solution to Sandy Hook is better preparedness in a world bordering on crazy. The answer is to protect the children, and teach them the same sense of freedom, responsibility, and self-reliance that made possible this grand experiment.


45 posted on 12/16/2012 6:01:00 AM PST by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2013: Still seeking change.)
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To: Olog-hai

“Why did his mother, a well-to-do suburban divorcée, keep a cache of high-power weapons in the house? “

Here we go with leftist hyperbole about something they know little about: I wouldn’t call a 5.56 rifle high-powered. Given the range of rifles either comes in .22 rimfire or centerfire. But more to the point: as defined by what ammo and long guns that Walmart sells, centerfire starts at .223 (or 5.56).

So, now we have one more entry in the leftist dictionary of gun politics. In addition to “assault rifle”, which is defined as any rifle that looks like an evil military rifle, we now have “high power”.

A “high-power” rifle means any caliber above 22 rimfire, irrespective of how people who are familiar with firearms would define the term.

The warning here is that he who gets to define the terms gets to control the outcome of the public discussion. So, be careful what terms you accept and how you use them, because in doing so the left gets to shift the debate towards the ends it seeks.


46 posted on 12/16/2012 6:29:32 AM PST by theBuckwheat
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To: Pearls Before Swine

We know a family whose teenage son ambushed and killed both his parents with a rifle as they returned home from work one day.

This was a family active in the church, community, sports, Boy Scouts - model citizens, really. There were no warning signs that the son was troubled other than that he struggled a bit in school - maintained a C average in a very well respected school district.

The son was a minor at the time and was judged, guilty but mentally incompetent. He has been in a psychiatric facility for the past 15 years and to this day, shows no signs of remorse for what he did.

Sometimes there are no reasons and nothing to blame except the fact that there are evil and mentally/emotionally imbalanced people that just snap at some unforeseen or unanticipated point in their lives.

This is a scary thing, but it’s the fallen world we live in.


47 posted on 12/16/2012 6:30:18 AM PST by randita
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To: theBuckwheat

“he who gets to define the terms gets to control the outcome of the public discussion. So, be careful what terms you accept and how you use them, because in doing so the left gets to shift the debate towards the ends it seeks.”

Couldn’t agree more. And make no mistake the word shifts are intentional.


48 posted on 12/16/2012 7:14:48 AM PST by Ray76
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To: Lancey Howard

I have heard that he didn’t get to purchase the gun he wanted. Gun store turned him down for being underage. That part, if true, shows that gun laws and gun stores are doing their jobs.

However, his mother was perfectly entitled to have as many guns as she felt comfortable with. The kid kills her to get her guns——and he has various possible mental problems.


49 posted on 12/16/2012 7:29:00 AM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: Olog-hai

When the coming chaos starts, what weapons are YOU planning to use to protect yourself and your family?

A cast iron frying pan can cause alot of damage, but must be used up close.

IF you are not prepared, you might wish to rethink all your options.


50 posted on 12/16/2012 7:34:22 AM PST by ridesthemiles
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