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New Tappan Zee Bridge Design Released
Transportation Nation ^ | 12/05/2012 | Andrea Bernstein

Posted on 12/07/2012 7:30:31 PM PST by neverdem

Rendering of Design Proposal 1 for the new Tappan Zee Bridge, NY, estimated to cost $3.142 billion. (New York State Thruway Authority)

A selection committee has recommended a futuristic design for the new Tappan Zee Bridge, with suspension supports leaning outwards, giving the bridge the look of a stripped-down building by Santiago Calatrava.

Calatrava has designed the World Trade Center transit hub, the Milwaukee Museum of Art, and the Athens Olympic stadium.

The New York State Thruway Authority — the agency in charge of the project — will consider the design, along with two others, for a new Tappan Zee Bridge. The three designs were released(PDF) at Governor Cuomo’s cabinet meeting Wednesday.

The designs range from $3.142 billion to $4.059 billion when all estimated costs are totaled. All three proposals are being called “transit ready,” though images of the bridge being recommended don’t show buses or transit on the roadway.

Details of how the proposals will be financed still haven’t been released. Governor Cuomo said both the bridge’s full cost and the amount of federal financing (still unknown) would have to be tallied before a bridge financing plan could be released.

The three designs will be considered December 17th by the Thruway Authority board.

The state had said the bridge would cost $5.2 billion, but had been hoping the cost would be adjusted downward — in part to lower future tolls on drivers.

For more on why the bridge matters nationally, and the planning process to date, see our previous coverage.

More soon on the design details.

Design Proposal 1, seen in daytime, for the new Tappan Zee Bridge. (New York Thruway Authority)

 

Design Proposal 2 for the new Tappan Zee Bridge. Estimated cost, $3.99 billion. (New York State Thruway Authority)

 

Design Proposal 3 for the new Tappan Zee Bridge, estimated cost $3.99 billion. (New York State Thruway Authority)



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1 posted on 12/07/2012 7:30:45 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

What’s wrong with the old Tappan Zee bridge?? I liked that bridge ...


2 posted on 12/07/2012 7:33:36 PM PST by Ken522
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To: neverdem
It suppose to be a bridge not work of art.
3 posted on 12/07/2012 7:34:04 PM PST by riverrunner
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To: neverdem
The cool thing about the Tappan Zee Bridge is that on a clear day you can see the Manhattan skyline in the distance.
4 posted on 12/07/2012 7:35:15 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Benghazi: What Did Baraq Know And When Did He Know It?)
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To: Ken522

NY has too much money lying around. They don’t know what to do with it all, so they’ve decided to rebuild the Tappan Zee.


5 posted on 12/07/2012 7:35:21 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (Republicans have made themselves useless, toothless, and clueless.)
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To: riverrunner

All the new bridges are being built with that design...Charleston SC, Boston MA, Delaware...must be the latest engineering ‘fad’...


6 posted on 12/07/2012 7:38:15 PM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: riverrunner
It suppose to be a bridge not work of art.

One bridge that I've driven which was pretty impressive is the Sunshine Skyway Bridge in Tampa.Quite cool,actually.

7 posted on 12/07/2012 7:39:27 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Benghazi: What Did Baraq Know And When Did He Know It?)
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To: neverdem

I like the old one.


8 posted on 12/07/2012 7:39:35 PM PST by EnquiringMind
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To: Ken522
What’s wrong with the old Tappan Zee bridge??

Other than the fact that it is obsolete and ready to fall into the Hudson, nothing.

9 posted on 12/07/2012 7:43:01 PM PST by Gamecock
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To: ClearCase_guy
NY has too much money lying around. They don’t know what to do with it all, so they’ve decided to rebuild the Tappan Zee.

According to wikipedia it's 55 years old.It's also a very heavily traveled bridge,heavily traveled by trucks,buses and cars.I'm no engineer but one might suspect that such a structure would reach the point,over time,when replacement made more sense than repair.

10 posted on 12/07/2012 7:44:29 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Benghazi: What Did Baraq Know And When Did He Know It?)
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To: Ken522

It is literally falling apart.

A friend of mine is an iron worker who spent about 4 years underneath the bridge, patching it up.

His recommendation:

Either take the G.W. Bridge or the Beacon Bridge (I-84)... “...cause it’s gonna go one of these days.”


11 posted on 12/07/2012 7:44:30 PM PST by Peter W. Kessler (Dirt is for racing... asphalt is for getting there.)
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To: neverdem

They better never ever plead poverty again if they have $3-5 BILLION laying around


12 posted on 12/07/2012 7:48:09 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: neverdem

How does lower future tolls LOWER the price of the bridge??


13 posted on 12/07/2012 7:49:56 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: neverdem

When they first told us that the “new World Trade Center” would cost $1 Billion, I said, “But what about the Mafia Tax? It will be $3 Billion before it’s done!”

So, about that bridge.....I suggest asking Boston about their tunnel estimates.


14 posted on 12/07/2012 7:52:16 PM PST by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: who knows what evil?
Dallas has a new bridge too.

Only cost a mint.

We don't have any oceans or lakes though, just an almost-dried Trinity River, where the 3-eyed fish are born

15 posted on 12/07/2012 7:53:19 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: GeronL

Hadn’t seen that one before...


16 posted on 12/07/2012 7:57:27 PM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: Ken522
What’s wrong with the old Tappan Zee bridge?? I liked that bridge ...

I drove across it a few times and liked it too... other than the damn tolls. But it is getting pretty old and probably caries far more traffic today than it was ever designed for.

But none the less, it is an impressive bridge. And a damn big one too.


17 posted on 12/07/2012 7:58:20 PM PST by Ditto
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To: neverdem

I’d like to see how they intend to change the traffic paterns for the rush hours with those two, separate spans.


18 posted on 12/07/2012 7:58:44 PM PST by Roccus
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To: neverdem

The key to this area no matter, is for an understated design.


19 posted on 12/07/2012 7:59:32 PM PST by Varsity Flight (Extortion-Care is the Government Work-Camp: Arbeitsziehungslager)
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To: GeronL

Cable stayed bridges can be cool and fairly cheap.

http://www.figgbridge.com/varina_enon_bridge.html


20 posted on 12/07/2012 8:01:15 PM PST by ltc8k6
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To: who knows what evil?

Margaret Hunt Hill Bridge


21 posted on 12/07/2012 8:04:46 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: GeronL

Thanks...I’ll check it out.


22 posted on 12/07/2012 8:05:32 PM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: GeronL

“How does lower future tolls LOWER the price of the bridge??”

I guess they don’t require an IQ test here at FR.


23 posted on 12/07/2012 8:23:13 PM PST by pelican001
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To: Gamecock

You took the words right out of my keyboard

Always liked the Tappan Zee and took it frequently when I was younger and living in NY. Now I take it once a year and it scares the bejeezus out of me.

The new designs look great. Still, who really thinks it’ll come in under $5B?


24 posted on 12/07/2012 8:25:05 PM PST by EDINVA
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To: Gay State Conservative

Built by my Father. It was the first single cable bridge built. There were no other bids made, because the hurricane season was scheduled to take place before the roadway deck could be laid down.


25 posted on 12/07/2012 8:25:35 PM PST by STD (“Cogito, ergo armatum sum)
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To: pelican001

the bridge is going to cost the same to build no matter what

the toll rate does not affect the price of construction


26 posted on 12/07/2012 8:25:46 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: neverdem
One final smooth layer of asphalt might help the current TZ, instead of the patchwork fillings on the East sides of both lanes.

In the 21st Century is that not possible??

27 posted on 12/07/2012 8:27:12 PM PST by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: neverdem

Also known as the “Tappin’ Zee Brakes.”


28 posted on 12/07/2012 8:37:00 PM PST by Edmund
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To: neverdem

I’d vote for ‘2’ if the taxpayers want to waste their money on something.


29 posted on 12/07/2012 8:44:02 PM PST by PAR35
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To: neverdem
unfortunately it's impossible now to put the bridge where it belongs at a NARROWER spot in the river...
30 posted on 12/07/2012 8:47:51 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: neverdem

Number 3 looks like an S not a Zee.


31 posted on 12/07/2012 8:50:58 PM PST by Tanniker Smith (Rome didn't fall in a day, either.)
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To: GeronL

Because they are going to charge like $14 or $15 to cross the bridge! Today it’s $5...

I would rather (if I had to cross there) pay a smaller toll both ways, rather than the ridiculously high toll one-way...


32 posted on 12/07/2012 8:56:39 PM PST by The Chief
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To: The Chief

How does that reduce construction costs? It doesn’t, it might raise more money later but the cost of building the bridge is independent of what it brings in later.


33 posted on 12/07/2012 9:08:39 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: cyborg; Clemenza; Cacique; NYCVirago; The Mayor; Darksheare; hellinahandcart; Chode; ...
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FReepmail me if you want on or off my New York ping list.

34 posted on 12/07/2012 9:16:50 PM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: Ken522

Every Christmas and Easter we used to drive from upstate to visit my Dad’s folks in Thornwood and my Aunt, Uncle and cousins in Stamford, CT. I can still hear dad from 1955 onward as we drove across the Tappan Zee — “look kids, you can see the Empire State Building today.” Dad was like Old Faithful...we could always count on him to tell us to look for the ESB off in the distance. Funny how little things like that stick with you throughout life.

Growing up I always thought the Old Dutch names near NYC were great and I especially liked “Tappan Zee.” It just rolls off your tongue. The Iroquois names across upstate are really cool, too.

It’s a such a shame that the NYC libs worked to destroy the state over the past 60 years. Now I live in CA where the SF/LA/Sac lib axis has worked feverishly to destroy CA, too, over the past 30 years.


35 posted on 12/07/2012 9:41:32 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: neverdem

Simple, efficient.


36 posted on 12/07/2012 10:09:26 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: GeronL

Well knowing NYS, they will up the rates on the current bridge well before the new one is completed and apply those “extra” funds to the construction costs...


37 posted on 12/07/2012 10:26:15 PM PST by The Chief
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To: neverdem

They will need somewhere to spend all the federal SANDY money! Civilians won’t count when billions are flowing through politicians hands.


38 posted on 12/07/2012 11:05:22 PM PST by JoeSixPack1
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To: The Chief
Well knowing NYS, they will up the rates on the current bridge well before the new one is completed and apply those “extra” funds to the construction costs welfare budget...

(Fixed it...)

39 posted on 12/08/2012 12:06:11 AM PST by NoCmpromiz (John 14:6 is a non-pluralistic comment.)
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To: neverdem

I wonder how much less it would cost without union labor and union work rules?

I would estimate about 50% at least.


40 posted on 12/08/2012 4:12:00 AM PST by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: neverdem

Looks good for a 15 dollar plus ride across it! The GW bridge and some others are now 14 dollars to cross. A rig with a few axes can cost up to 75 dollars or more to cross. Where’s all the money going? Education? how much more money do we need for education when the kids are getting dumber and thier propaganda agenda is progressing nicely. oops did I say that?


41 posted on 12/08/2012 4:22:54 AM PST by ronnie raygun (bb)
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To: neverdem

I like design 2. Of course I give a rat’s ass because I left NY and I won’t be paying for this.


42 posted on 12/08/2012 4:25:45 AM PST by angcat
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To: neverdem; Larry Lucido

Lot of racoons between Wurtsboro and the Tappan Zee. So many I don’t even need to wear my glasses to see them.


43 posted on 12/08/2012 4:44:39 AM PST by Gamecock
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To: Ken522

Its wooden pilings are being eaten by sea worms.


44 posted on 12/08/2012 5:49:43 AM PST by goldi
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To: Ditto
Lived in CT for a number of years. Business in NJ took me across the Tappan Zee hundreds of times (no exaggeration) over 15 plus years. Familiar sight.
45 posted on 12/08/2012 6:05:48 AM PST by BluH2o
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To: F15Eagle

to 43.


46 posted on 12/08/2012 7:13:10 AM PST by Gamecock
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To: neverdem

Pretty to be sure, but I can just see what it’s going to do to our thruway tolls to pay for it.


47 posted on 12/08/2012 7:36:15 AM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Gay State Conservative

On 9/11 ,The Tappen Zee was one of the few ways out of NY. My husband drove across it and saw the smoke where the Towers had stood. He’ll never forget that sight.


48 posted on 12/08/2012 8:03:15 AM PST by surrey
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To: Gay State Conservative

I only went over the new bridge a few times before we moved.
My mom hated it, so would go the long way to avoid it if she was driving.

We had used the old bridge just hours before the accident. And used the remaining bridge several times a year. The first few times we were not allowed to talk and had to roll down the windows. The no talking rule was also in place if the weather was bad.

I still hate crossing bridges if they are long and are over deep water.


49 posted on 12/08/2012 8:12:55 AM PST by CARDINALRULES (Tough times never last -Tough people do. DK57 -- 6-22-02)
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To: Ken522

What’s wrong with the old Tappan Zee bridge??

1. Structural corrosion. Engineers are wondering when a section of bridge deck might go.
2. The footings on the west end of the bridge are, shall we say, suboptimal. As in sitting on river silt, no pilings to bedrock. To get pilings to bedrock on that side, they would have to go deep. And this is causing problems that have been noticable of late.


50 posted on 12/08/2012 5:08:13 PM PST by Fred Hayek (The Democratic Party is the operational wing of CPUSA.)
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