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Months before graduation, West Point cadet quits, citing culture of overt religion
FoxNews.com ^ | 12/6/2012

Posted on 12/06/2012 11:58:11 AM PST by RoosterRedux

A cadet quitting West Point less than six months before graduation says he could no longer be part of a culture that promotes prayers and religious activities and disrespects nonreligious cadets.

Blake Page announced his decision to quit the U.S. Military Academy this week, telling The Associated Press that he could not become an officer because of clinical depression played a role in his public protest against what he calls the unconstitutional prevalence of religion in the military.

"I've been trying since I found that out: What can I do? What can I possibly do to initiate the change that I want to see and so many other people want to see?" Page, 24, said. "I realized that this is one way I can make that change happen."

West Point officials on Wednesday disputed those assertions. Spokeswoman Theresa Brinkerhoff said prayer is voluntary at events where invocations and benedictions are conducted and noted the academy has a Secular Student Alliance club, where Page served as president.

Maj. Nicholas Utzig, the faculty adviser to the secular club, said he doesn't doubt some of the moments Pagedescribed, but he doesn't believe there is systematic discrimination against nonreligious cadets.

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1 posted on 12/06/2012 11:58:19 AM PST by RoosterRedux
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To: RoosterRedux

Good.

We don’t need him.

Period.

Let him transfer to a school with lower standards.

Like Harvard.


2 posted on 12/06/2012 12:00:28 PM PST by Da Coyote
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To: Da Coyote

I hope Uncle Sam sends him a bill for his education. I know plenty of qualified high school seniors who would love to attend the service academies.


3 posted on 12/06/2012 12:03:11 PM PST by 12Gauge687
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To: Da Coyote

yes, he might enjoy Harvard...

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2012/10/11/harvard_to_host_incest_fest_hook_up_party


4 posted on 12/06/2012 12:05:17 PM PST by faithhopecharity (--)
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To: RoosterRedux

Good. We’re spared another Bradley Manning.


5 posted on 12/06/2012 12:05:43 PM PST by Third Person (I'm in my prime.)
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To: RoosterRedux
As the saying goes, “don’t let the door hit ye where random mutations the good Lord split ye” . . . another one follows along the proverbial broad way with the wide gate.
6 posted on 12/06/2012 12:05:52 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: RoosterRedux

If this story was reversed there would be ‘crickets’ from the MSM.


7 posted on 12/06/2012 12:06:19 PM PST by George from New England (escaped CT in 2006, now living north of Tampa)
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To: 12Gauge687

I think (I may be mistaken) that if you quit/fail after your second year, you either cough up a pretty hefty (100k+?) chunk of change, or serve as an enlisted soldier to pay off your debt.


8 posted on 12/06/2012 12:06:50 PM PST by Wyrd bi ful ard (Gone Galt, 11/07/12)
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To: RoosterRedux

...after all, graduation from West Point means you might get posted to a war zone. I am not speaking from personal experience, but I would expect that one would get religion real fast in a war zone. We can’t have that, now can we?


9 posted on 12/06/2012 12:07:09 PM PST by tpmintx (Proven11/6/12! People who work for a living ARE outnumbered by those who VOTE for a living.)
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To: RoosterRedux

Good riddance to bad rubbish! He’s not fit to lead men into battle.


10 posted on 12/06/2012 12:07:15 PM PST by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Michael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: Da Coyote

Definitely a display of bad judgment on this kid’s part. And if I am not mistaken, he now has to pay for his otherwise free service academy education.


11 posted on 12/06/2012 12:07:52 PM PST by RoosterRedux (He will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats)
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To: RoosterRedux

Ha ha! The Secular Student Alliance Club. They had a chapter at The College of New Jersey, and guess who the adviser was??? Jon Stewart’s dad, Donald Leibowitz: http://www.tcnjsignal.net/2009/09/15/no-joke-stewart%E2%80%99s-dad-taught-at-college/

All fits together, doesn’t it?


12 posted on 12/06/2012 12:08:05 PM PST by duckworth (Perhaps instant karma's going to get you. Perhaps not.)
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To: RoosterRedux

Quick, enroll in the Ecole Militaire or some such outfit in France. Then you will bot suffer from clinical depression. You can be happy in your paganism. What a wuss.


13 posted on 12/06/2012 12:09:57 PM PST by veritas2002
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To: RoosterRedux

Can he claim the usual welfare payments for those with “nerves”?


14 posted on 12/06/2012 12:10:57 PM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."..)
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To: RoosterRedux

“I’d really love to be able to do this for the rest of my life,” he said.(ie, be an anti-religion activist)

Another POS, zoloft inspired community organizer in the making, let the POS take a hike, maybe he’ll fall over the cliff down into the Hudson before he leaves.


15 posted on 12/06/2012 12:11:23 PM PST by izzatzo
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To: RoosterRedux

I am close to someone with depression, and it has been mostly under control with medication, but they would acknowledge that they shouldn’t be leading people into battle. The top brass made the right call, and now that he’s been rejected, he’s trying to make this about religion.


16 posted on 12/06/2012 12:12:44 PM PST by aynrandfreak (Being a Democrat means never having to say you're sorry)
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To: RoosterRedux
Mentally ill person quits, rejects God. Whaddasupprise.
17 posted on 12/06/2012 12:12:48 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: RoosterRedux

I doubt this reason seriously.


18 posted on 12/06/2012 12:12:48 PM PST by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious that they are trying hard to ignore)
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To: faithhopecharity

Harvard was names for a Christian clergyman who gave his library and half his estate to endow the college. It trained many ministers in its first couple of centuries, before going “secular.” Harvard’s original motto was:

“Veritas Christo et Ecclesiae”
(Truth for Christ and the Church)

(Today, it is just shortened to: “Veritas,” being as they’ve abandoned Christ and his Church....in favor of “incest-fest sex hook-up parties”).

Enough to make old Reverend John Harvard reallyproud, eh?(?)


19 posted on 12/06/2012 12:14:53 PM PST by faithhopecharity (--)
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To: RoosterRedux

Six months before graduation? Methinks this hen is grasping at straws.


20 posted on 12/06/2012 12:17:09 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd
I hope he has to pay for the resources he wasted. Of course, it is also likely he will apply for service connected disability (service-induced "depression") and feed off the godfearing taxpayer the rest of his life. This story is just beginning.
21 posted on 12/06/2012 12:17:50 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: RoosterRedux

F.A.G.


22 posted on 12/06/2012 12:18:03 PM PST by TexasCajun
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To: RoosterRedux

Another con game. Classic misdirection. Send the little Grifter to prison.


23 posted on 12/06/2012 12:19:04 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: RoosterRedux

Is he another Sandra Fluke activist liberal who targeted an institution to rampage against religious beliefs?


24 posted on 12/06/2012 12:20:24 PM PST by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: RoosterRedux

“Blake Page announced his decision to quit the U.S. Military Academy this week, telling The Associated Press that he could not become an officer because of clinical depression ...”

Looks like he wasn’t going to be commissioned anyway.


25 posted on 12/06/2012 12:20:44 PM PST by ConjunctionJunction
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

I’ve been out for a while and the rules may likely have changed, but when I was at USNA if you quit after the first class bell rang in your Junior year, you immediately became an enlisted person with a 4 year obligation. More recently, I’ve seen some stories of quitters getting out by repaying the estimated cost of their education.


26 posted on 12/06/2012 12:24:12 PM PST by USNA74
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To: TexasCajun

Not Military material anyway! Religion is a personal belief
Combat is not! I would not want to put my life in his hands and all Service personell do at some point! It must be nice to have the ability to throw a career away on a whim! Daddy can buy a new one!


27 posted on 12/06/2012 12:24:32 PM PST by Conserev1
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To: RoosterRedux
pretty smart young man - Uncle Sam pays for all but one semester of education - he quits - goes to another school and gets his degree. Uncle Sam gets nothing!

25 years ago I knew of a young man who attended the rigorous USN nuclear training school, several years in length and in Connecticut (I think) - graduated - reported to his first assignment and then claimed to be a conscientious objector and eventually became a college professor in Chicago. Uncle Sam paid for the best part of his education for nothing.

Only in America

28 posted on 12/06/2012 12:24:44 PM PST by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: RoosterRedux

Guaranteed this kid will come out of the closet shortly as well.


29 posted on 12/06/2012 12:25:55 PM PST by PGR88
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To: RoosterRedux

Guess it never occurred to him that people may have discriminated against him because he is unpleasant and impolite.


30 posted on 12/06/2012 12:29:16 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: RoosterRedux

31 posted on 12/06/2012 12:31:44 PM PST by Jacquerie ("How few were left who had seen the republic!" - Tacitus, The Annals)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

I have heard the story and I read it yesterday. But my short term memory is shot. I think he just found out there was a medical change that disqualified him to get his commission.

That said, since it was not his decision (to be denied his commission) they were going to allow him to graduate with his class.

Boy, looking back, that would have been sweet. But now that I am paying his bill....I say let him transfer his credits and spend another two years getting a degree. (Those English 101 credits are a bitch to transfer!!!)


32 posted on 12/06/2012 12:33:59 PM PST by Vermont Lt (We are so screwed.)
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To: Da Coyote

What a dumb ass! He could have graduated, requested assignment to Afghanistan, and killed lots and lots of hard core religious fanatics. It might have relieved that depression a lot!


33 posted on 12/06/2012 12:35:24 PM PST by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: RoosterRedux

So the theory is that those who follow the religion of atheism can somehow trump and suppress the religious views of Christians, as of course, these complaints are not aimed at the Pagan society, etc. So his goal is to never face any challenge to his own religious beliefs. Seems like the simple solution is go grab an Amish family and move them in next door to him and then have them hit him with lawsuit after lawsuit over discriminatory behavior by his using technology that is against their belief.

Religious freedom means you’re free to be religious, not free to tell others how to be religious.


34 posted on 12/06/2012 12:36:27 PM PST by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: RoosterRedux

I think the kid has a valid point. How can the service academy insist on attending chapel every Sunday and at the same time allow gays? This is a disconnect and the kid will probably get off scott free as he should. The military can’t have it both ways!

As a Christian when I served in the Navy, if gays were allowed in the service I would have had a definite conflict with that. How you people don’t see that is beyond me.


35 posted on 12/06/2012 12:37:42 PM PST by New Jersey Realist (America: home of the free because of the brave)
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To: RoosterRedux

Next we hear of him he’ll be a Mohammedan.


36 posted on 12/06/2012 12:41:48 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the state." - Cornelius Tacitus, Roman Senator)
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37 posted on 12/06/2012 12:43:31 PM PST by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: RoosterRedux

Call for prayer that he meets the Lord on the road to Damascus. Depression needs to be addressed immediately.


38 posted on 12/06/2012 12:47:03 PM PST by huldah1776
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To: RoosterRedux

These people who fancy themselves atheists, and maybe they are, will not be satisfied unless and until they FORCE everyone else to embrace their lack of “religion”. No one is hurting him in any way other than his FEELINGS. So, good riddance.


39 posted on 12/06/2012 12:47:19 PM PST by Twinkie (The WICKED walk on every side when EVIL men are exalted. Psalm 12:8)
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To: RoosterRedux

Don’t let the gate hit you in the hinder parts when you leave!


40 posted on 12/06/2012 12:50:29 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (The parasites now outnumber the producers.)
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To: RoosterRedux
“The General is sorry to be informed that the foolish, and wicked practice, of profane cursing and swearing (a Vice heretofore little known in an American Army) is growing into fashion; he hopes the officers will, by example, as well as influence, endeavour to check it, and that both they, and the men will reflect, that we can have little hopes of the BLESSING OF HEAVEN ON OUR ARMS, if we insult it by our impiety, and folly; added to this, it is a vice so mean and low, without any temptation, that every man of sense, and character, detests and despises it. Head Quarters, New York, August 3rd 1776. Parole Uxbridge. Countersign Virginia” ― George Washington
41 posted on 12/06/2012 12:56:15 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (The parasites now outnumber the producers.)
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"I've been trying since I found that out: What can I do? What can I possibly do to initiate the change that I want to see and so many other people want to see?" Page, 24, said."""""........

And the SOLE purpose for him joining up.

42 posted on 12/06/2012 12:59:24 PM PST by annieokie
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Burn in hell then quitter. Unless you repent and accept GOD... you are destined for the basement.

LLS


43 posted on 12/06/2012 1:21:41 PM PST by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES!)
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To: USNA74; Wyrd bið ful aræd

That’s how it was at Air Force also (’73). Once you started classes as a Junior you’re on the hook. Of course, he may qualify to evade it if there are special circumstances because of his “disability”.


44 posted on 12/06/2012 1:28:14 PM PST by ken in texas (I was taught to respect my elders but it keeps getting harder to find any.)
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To: LibLieSlayer
Unless you repent and accept GOD... you are destined for the basement.


45 posted on 12/06/2012 1:30:07 PM PST by RoosterRedux (He will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats)
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To: 12Gauge687
I hope Uncle Sam sends him a bill for his education. I know plenty of qualified high school seniors who would love to attend the service academies.

Don't let that SOB get away with a free education. Enforce his contract and enlist him then make him do the hardest work found that gives him the least exposure to real troops.

46 posted on 12/06/2012 1:34:41 PM PST by OldMissileer
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coward...what he really doesn;t want to admit is now that WE have paid for his education he doesn;t really want to serve in the military.


47 posted on 12/06/2012 1:46:26 PM PST by Nifster
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To: RoosterRedux

If an occasional voluntary prayer is more than he can cope with, what’s he gonna do as a prisoner of war? I understand that environment is a littler harder to deal with.


48 posted on 12/06/2012 2:01:32 PM PST by PA BOOKENDS
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I don’t think he gets off that easily. When I was at the AFA, if you dropped in your senior year you simply became an enlisted person for the next four years. I suspect it’s the same for the Army, so I’m not sure what he’s gained.


49 posted on 12/06/2012 2:08:11 PM PST by Hootowl
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To: RoosterRedux

Dunce. Freedom “OF” religion, not freedom “FROM” religion.


50 posted on 12/06/2012 2:09:15 PM PST by ataDude (Its like 1933, mixed with the Carter 70s, plus the books 1984 and Animal Farm, all at the same time.)
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