Who Let the Jobs Out? Who is sending jobs overseas

Tea Party Tribune ^ | December 2, 2012 | Joathon Moseley

[Navy Patriot]

Well for what it’s worth, I have never advocated buying a Chevy Volt.

Well, good, but why?

If it's because of my "ironically" list, well done.

The Volt can be viewed as Communism's product.

I will agree that Americans shouldn't buy Communism's product.

Nor should Communism's product be made in America.

What we need are products made in America that are NOT Communist products.

Big government and big regulation are Communist products.

There is a word for that (or two, to be precise), Capitalist American products.

We need to rid ourselves of the Communist and then the Capitalist will bring back jobs to America as our excellence and competitiveness allow, and those jobs will stay here and evolve as efficient technology does.

[Cringing Negativism Network]

Thanks I hadn’t seen that.

The idea may have serious merit.

[factoryrat]

That is true, but how do these unemployed find jobs that are basically non-existent? Crude labor? Nope, the illegals own that market. Start your own business perhaps? Nope, the banks aren’t lending, and won’t lend to the unemployed. Get a degree? Nope, college graduates have to compete against the unemployed and experienced who will work for cheap to survive. The only way out is to drive the wage scales down to the countries that we outsource work to. That is the only way to keep capital from pouring out of this country. And people wonder how socialism/fascism/communism could ever gain a foothold.

[Navy Patriot]

It is a US product whose factory was simply moved from the USA to China.

Brilliant, so big government, big regulation, and big taxes can reacquire the revenue that excessive regulation, taxes, and fat union bosses drove out of the country in the first place.

The Hostess employees will be thrilled, the price of Chinese Twinkies in the US will be ten times that of the rest of the world. They can look at 'em through the store window while checking the trash can for bottles.

And Moochelle can "afford" another European vacation.

[WilliamofCarmichael]

RE: "I think Paul Schiffer's proposed bill provides a defensible distinction for when to punish imports. If China is selling a native Chinese product, it is not fair to punish them exporting their products. But if they are building a US product in China [for export back to the U.S. that's not a Chinese product and therefore it can be hit with tariffs]."

You mean acknowledge what free trade really is -- what are you? Some kind of protectionist? :)

[Will88]

We are not ever going to be competitive with the slaves of the Chi-coms and the peasants of India unless we adopt their way of life.

That's what the globalist and pretend free traders refuse to admit. India, China, Singapore, Pakistan, Bangladesh and other poor nations have populations in excess of 3 or 4 billion people, with hundreds of billions of unemployed and underemployed.

The US with just over 300 million, and throw in the EU and Japan and get up to around 700 million, well those industrialized nations are supposedly going to export as many factories and outsource as many jobs to cheap labor nations as the transnationals care to, then ship goods back to the industrialized nations, and still somehow have strong economies and generate jobs for their own citizens.

Its all a big, catastrophic fantasy as is evidenced by the large and ever growing trade defits, budget deficits and unemployment now throughout the industrial nations. We've been propping it all up with trillions in debt, but the game will end at some point fairly soon.

[factoryrat]

At one point in time, America was the land of opportunity, until people figured out how to manipulate that freedom for their own ends, at the expense of everyone else, and our country, consequences be damned.

[Soul of the South]

“So that playing-field is already level.”

I disagree the playing field is level. If a Chinese factory pays an effective tax rate to the Chinese government of 15%, which is then rebated to the factory on exported goods, the factory pays 0% tax to its home government on the goods it exports. All of the profit is returned to shareholders or available for reinvestment in the firm.

If a US factory competing with the Chinese factory pays an effective tax rate of 35% to the federal government, and 8-10% to the state government, it is not on a level playing field from the perspective of taxation.

When the Macy’s or Walmart buyer visits the US factory and compares its price on comparable products to the Chinese factory’s price, the US factory has a huge cost disadvantage due to the differences in tax policies. Remember, most US companies today are buying directly from overseas factories, not middlemen. The economic comparison the buyers make is factory to factory.

The example above is very real and demonstrates how the playing field is not level. In addition the US taxpayer pays for the US Navy which keeps the worlds shipping lanes open, pays for the Army Corps of Engineers to dredge the harbors for the merchant ships to bring the goods to US ports, pays for the Customs inspectors in US ports, pays for the FAA and much of the capital infrastructure costs of US airports receiving air cargo from overseas, and pays for the US Coast Guard. To level the economic playing field, duties and fees should be assessed on every container brought into the US to help cover the costs of these services. To not charge for these services is to give the foreign factory a free ride. The US exporter pays for these services when it pays its taxes to the US government.

In the absence of tariffs, foreign factories are subsidized by the US taxpayer and in many instances are subsidized by their own governments. To perpetuate this practice by not assessing duties and tariffs is to sustain an economic policy favoring foreign factories at the expense of US factories.

[dfwgator]

You don’t have to worry about paying for overseas workers’ health care....don’t think that isn’t a huge factor.

Need to find a way to decouple health insurance from employment.

[ROCKLOBSTER]

but how do these unemployed find jobs that are basically non-existent?

They move to North Dakota or somewhere where a private land oil boom is happening. They have airports there.

There are plenty of support jobs that have nothing to do with directly touching a drilling rig.

Crude labor? Nope, the illegals own that market.

Get busy and start fingering the criminal invaders. Take those jobs back. That sounds like a job all unto itself.

[Toddsterpatriot]

Yes, his idea to double the price of oil is idiotic.

Look at that, we agree. LOL!

[khelus]

We are not ever going to be competitive with the slaves of the Chi-coms and the peasants of India unless we adopt their way of life. We could deregulate ourselves that low and give the government and employers total power over us, but who would want to live here then?
We need to ditch global trade and fashion trade with nations that serve our interests and way of life. Global trade serves globalists and no one else. It’s a rush to the bottom of the globe’s sewer.

Apparently, we will be expected to pile up 10 deep in 1 bedroom apts if we are to compete. (sarc)

Yup. This is why Marx promoted 'Free Trade' as the Globalists practice it as a tool to speed up the start of global marxism.

[dennisw]

I have been against free trade for 25 years. If we had an honest rational Gov’t in DC I would still be anti-free trade. But what you are not factoring in these days is the USA is breaking down along racial lines and the demagoguing of the white man.
So if an Obama type regime with his crony capitalism sets up some tariffs they be will ones that you hate and disagree with. They will be tariffs that insure more Democrat votes from the ignorant.

Tariffs.... Great if instituted by the right people but the right intelligent pro-America people will not be running DC for the foreseeable future. Just another way we are screwed since 0 got back in.

[ROCKLOBSTER]

Need to find a way to decouple health insurance from employment.

The term is called "Association Health Plans".

[dennisw]

Check out my post #54. I am coming over to your side a bit not for the reasons you think. Anyways Merry Christmas and good health to you and yours in the New Year. How come your are not on FR so much anymore? Are you on investment websites?

[khelus]

. . . Are you talking about the U.S. corporate income tax? If so, foreign companies pay it for any activity in which they engage in the U.S. (unless there is a specific tax treaty).. . .

FYI, corporations foreign and domestic, have proved quite creative in avoiding corporate income taxes.

The Government Accountability Office said 72 percent of all foreign corporations and about 57 percent of U.S. companies doing business in the United States paid no federal income taxes for at least one year between 1998 and 2005.
. . .
The GAO said corporations escaped paying federal income taxes for a variety of reasons including operating losses, tax credits and an ability to use transactions within the company to shift income to low tax countries.
. .
The study showed about 28 percent of large foreign corporations, those with more than $250 million in assets, doing business in the United States paid no federal income taxes in 2005 despite $372 billion in gross receipts, . . . .. About 25 percent of the largest U.S. companies paid no federal income taxes in 2005 despite $1.1 trillion in gross sales that year, they said.

[tbw2]

Free trade is worsened by free immigration, failing to close the borders. The constant influx of Third world labor drives down wages while consuming the limited social services budget that would otherwise buoy a smaller number of displaced citizens.